jazz guys in the jumpseat

[leadfoot]

This has happened a few times lately where we take a jazz guy in the jumpseat.
Guys, with all due respect when in someone else's flightdeck, DO NOT preach how you think that the EMJ's will be going to Jazz.
It is rude and telling us that you think that you should have our job. It is also a good way for us to ignore you the rest of the way on your trip and if i were in charge i would kindly ask you to leave and have a seat in the washroom for landing.
What happens to the EMJ is out of my hands, but trust me if you ever want to get into AC you would want them at the mainline.

thanks

[yycflyguy]

Unbelievable! Talk about biting the hand that just fed you a trip! As a First Officer your voice will always be respect by the Captain (ok, should always be) and if you are uncomfortable with your "invited" flight deck guest you should speak up... like right after one of those comments.

[tonysoprano]

We must be getting close to contract negotes. Seen it before. The ALPA propaganda mill is in full gear.

[Pourdu_fun]

Come on guys. Dont blame ALPA and the rest of us for 1 stupid member.

Pourdu

[tonysoprano]

Let's hope you're right.

[swervin]

ALPA is not pushing at all for the EMJ's right now. Give it a rest Tony.

[tonysoprano]

Aside from the fact that we actually don't feel threatened as the reality of such propaganda is so far fetched, the fact that such statements are actually made is a testimony to what's wrong with this whole relationship. I don't think anybody, including our jumpseat guest really believes that Emb would go to Jazz at this point. But hell it sure inspires some good headbutting. Don't point the finger at me swerv. I hope this is not going to distract us.

[RFN]

There is a proper etiquette related to riding in someone's jumpseat, and it does not include bringing up stupid crap like that.

Please don't judge the rest of us based on that individual.

For the record, all of the AC guys we've had in our jumpseat have been polite, and left the politics behind, where it belongs.

[LANDGREEN]

'Flightdeck to ground?" "Bring bridge back on please...we have some extra trash to throw out!"

[countryhick]

The door swings both ways folks. I have witnessed some pretty interesting crap come out of the mouths of some AC pilots in the jump in the past, but is far outnumbered by those that are polite and respectful. Both airlines have their share of these individuals, and unfortunately it only takes one to put a bad taste in your mouth.

[TAWS]

Guys, with all due respect when in someone else's flightdeck

It's not just Jazz guys lacking in jumpseat manners/protocol. Believe it or not, I've seen a few winners from your side as well!

I had an Air Canada pilot in the jumpseat last year. He sat down, and as we were taxing out, pulled his headset out of his 1957 flight bag and plugged it in without us knowing, or our consent.

Next thing I hear as we were getting our take-off clearance was "boy the weather's been bad lately" as the captain and I both turn around in shock to find this guy plugged in.

Not a word was said between the two of us for the remainder of the flight... SOP's all the way.

[leadfoot]

ha, and i thought it was common curtosy to give a jumpseater a headset and talk to him/her....
guess not!!!
and an extra pair of ears never hurt.

[moreccsplease]

15 E175s returned on lease to Embraer; 15 new CRJ 705s from Bombardier to Jazz. That's my call. E190s stay at AC, as they should.

[cat3]

Don't forget the 15 RJ 1000's ordered that Bombardier is very tight-lipped about. That # 15 sure is common.

[mbav8r]

Hey less than 2 years at Jazz and I can honestly say that no one that I have flown with believes the embraers would go to Jazz, myself included. They all laugh about it in the crew room.
But whats the deal with this? A friend asked for jump on AC, then he gets there and the FO, sees that it's a jazz guy and says, no way am I having a jazz guy in the jump so they leave him behind.WTF
Even if this guy had a bad experience and was bumped out of the jump, why perpetuate the problem.
Another guy told me that years ago a similar thing happened, his wife was in labour, AC capt denied him jump. 10 Years later(aprox) that Capt was looking for jump, and was accepted, when he showed up on the flight deck, the jazz Capt recognized him and said hey remember me. The AC guy said, "Yah I remember you, guess I'll be leaving" Yep. Point is this jazz guy didn't take it out on other people, just waited and had an opportunity to pay back the right guy.

[yycflyguy]

Hey less than 2 years at Jazz and I can honestly say that no one that I have flown with believes the embraers would go to Jazz, myself included. They all laugh about it in the crew room.
But whats the deal with this? A friend asked for jump on AC, then he gets there and the FO, sees that it's a jazz guy and says, no way am I having a jazz guy in the jump so they leave him behind.WTF
Even if this guy had a bad experience and was bumped out of the jump, why perpetuate the problem.
Another guy told me that years ago a similar thing happened, his wife was in labour, AC capt denied him jump. 10 Years later(aprox) that Capt was looking for jump, and was accepted, when he showed up on the flight deck, the jazz Capt recognized him and said hey remember me. The AC guy said, "Yah I remember you, guess I'll be leaving" Yep. Point is this jazz guy didn't take it out on other people, just waited and had an opportunity to pay back the right guy.

... because that is so much more professional.

[mbav8r]

Where did I say it was more professional, merely pointing out that what goes around comes around. Sure the Jazz guy could have taken the high road and said remember me, good, welcome aboard.
But the thingis, the F/O may not be a commuter or maybe he is and got denied, I don't know. What I do know is the jazz guy he bumped didn't bump him. So now what my friend gets left seat and the professional thing to do would be what, let this smuck on regardless? Is that what you would do yycflyguy?

[El Comat]

I will echo the sentiments of most of the folks here at Jazz; we do not want the Embraers if means a single AC pilot losing his/her job. Most of us have friends at mainline and would like to see them keep their jobs. I apologize on behalf some of my colleagues who have a very "me first" attitude.

As for the jumpseat thing, yes I think the Jazz guy should've let the old crusty AC skipper on. Maybe throw a little "hey remember me?" in their (parhaps sober the old boy up a bit), but leave the past in the past. By allowing the AC guy the jump, he's probably a LOT more likely to let a Jazz guy take his jump in the future. By denying him the jump you've taken your pound of flesh (which still won't change what he did to you, nor cure your bitterness towards AC guys looking for the jump), as well as embittered the old boy even more, probably ruining many of your colleagues' chances of getting his jump ever again. But hey, you got your pound of flesh, right?

As a commuter, I will do everything I can to accomodate ANYONE in the jump seat, regardless of Jazz/AC, pilot/FA, etc. Of course, if my skipper says no, I can't do anything other than offer my sympathy, as I know what it's like to miss a flight!

We're all in the game together boys (and girls), lets all get along and NOT strive to steal each other's jobs. Oh and let's all share the jump seat .

And.....please be kind, rewind!

EC

[TAWS]

ha, and i thought it was common curtosy to give a jumpseater a headset and talk to him/her....
guess not!!!

I have never once been offered a headset when jumpseating on AC. And I wouldn't expect one.

[RFN]

I agree totally.

I have never had a Capt. deny the jump to anyone, and being a commuter myself, I would protest as much as I could if one did. I think this is rarer than it sometimes comes across; I have never been denied the jump either.

I think he should've given the guy the seat, if for no other reason than to bury the hatchet.

I came to YYZ today next to a retired AC Capt who saw things the exact same way as I'm sure most of us do. That is, we are in this together, and the more we play "pokey-chesty" over Embraers, Scope, Lawsuits etc etc the more we just hurt ourselves.

A mature person, pilot or not, should know not to bring up something potentially offensive or divisive when they are someone's guest.

Oh yeah, and I do appreciate the headset if you have one around. I will leave the mike raised until spoken to.

[yycflyguy]

Where did I say it was more professional, merely pointing out that what goes around comes around. Sure the Jazz guy could have taken the high road and said remember me, good, welcome aboard.
But the thingis, the F/O may not be a commuter or maybe he is and got denied, I don't know. What I do know is the jazz guy he bumped didn't bump him. So now what my friend gets left seat and the professional thing to do would be what, let this smuck on regardless? Is that what you would do yycflyguy?

Ok so if you are asking me;

What you described is a personal vendetta. Leave the past in the past and move on. Take the high road. As a skipper you either accept jumpseaters or you do not... not a selection process based on a personal vendetta.

[Plim Sole]

Shit flows both ways remember!

Only today I heard a Jungle Jet tell 'Ramp' that a company CRJ pushing out of the gate "was not company traffic".

Grow up boys and girls!

According to that statement I guess you would also be quite happy with a Jazz pilot crossing an AC picket line.... after all we are not company and have nothing to do AC? Apart from the fact we have an AC employee ID card and have Air Canada plastered on the side of our aircraft.

Only we can allow ourselves to start a race to the bottom.... Once you get on that particular train it gets a bit hard to get off it!

[moreccsplease]

Somewhere, I believe, some managers from AC and Jazz are reading this, and are smiling -- ear to ear.

This is how dumb we can be...

[Plim Sole]

My point exactly!

[Localizer]

Why does everyone act so shocked that this could possibly EVER happen! ... Its been going on for years on both sides .... they are the "kids" that both sides have to put up with .... get over it and move on ... grow some skin.