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[+VE R8]

Anyone have the info as to what took place on Thursday morning (approx 0940), as an AC Airbus (320 I think) landed 15L with the trucks out. I was doing a pre-flight at the time, and heard someone comment on the black exhaust coming out of the No. 2 engine while it was on the roll.

Any how, I did catch a bit of the chatter on the radio as we taxied out, sounded like the crew had a professional, calm head on. Just another day at the office....well done!

Would love to hear the details, always an opportunity to learn something!

[Widow]

This one?

CADORS Number: 2009O0752 Reporting Region: Ontario

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2009/04/30
Occurrence Time: 1358 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYYZ Aerodrome Name: Toronto/Lester B. Pearson Intl
Occurrence Location: Toronto/Lester B. Pearson Intl (CYYZ) Province: Ontario
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 106230-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event InformationAerodrome or runway shutdown
Aerodrome - service/site/facility cutback
Declared emergency/priority
Diversion
Engine failure
Engine malfunction - other
Fire - engine
Aircraft InformationFlight #: ACA101
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: AIRBUS Model: A320 211
Year Built: 1991 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: CFM INTERNATIONAL Engine Model: CFM56-5A1
Engine Type: Turbo fan Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Takeoff Damage: Unknown
Owner: AIR CANADA Operator: AIR CANADA (5262)
Operator Type: Commercial

Detail InformationUser Name: Donaldson, John
Date: 2009/04/30
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Commercial & Business Aviation
Narrative: The Air Canada Airbus A-320-211 aircraft (C-FKCR, operating as flight ACA101) was departing on a scheduled IFR flight from Toronto (LBPIA) (CYYZ) to Vancouver International Airport (CYVR). The aircraft departed off of runway 05 at 1319Z and NAV CANADA staff in the control tower immediately noticed black smoke trailing the aircraft. The flight crew reported an engine fire and declared an emergency. The aircraft returned to airport and landed without incident on runway 15L at 1338Z. Runway 05 was closed due to debris from the engine. Ops. impact -- unknown.

Incident: Air Canada A320 at Toronto on Apr 30th 2009, engine fire


By Simon Hradecky, created Thursday, Apr 30th 2009 20:35Z, last updated Thursday, Apr 30th 2009 20:35Z

An Air Canada Airbus A320-200, registration C-FKCR performing flight AC-101 from Toronto Pearson,ON to Vancouver,BC (Canada), had just lifted off Toronto's runway 05, when the tower controller noticed black smoke trailing the aircraft. The crew declared PAN PAN PAN reporting the right hand engine on fire while climbing through 1600 feet for 5000 feet and reported shortly thereafter, that the engine fire was out, the engine was still running at idle thrust. The airplane levelled off at 3000 feet and was vectored for a return to runway 05, the approach however was abandoned due to debris left on the runway. The airplane positioned for an approach to runway 15L, where the airplane landed safely 19 minutes after liftoff.

A runway 05 inspection revealed some metal debris from the engine on the runway.

A replacement Airbus A320-200 registration C-FLSS resumed the flight and reached Vancouver with a delay of 2:12 hours.

http://avherald.com/h?article=418e598b ... which includes some curious comments.

[Jaques Strappe]

I heard them come back to land and had report a possible bird ingestion on takeoff. Job well done.

[Slipstream]

Great job - you make us all proud.

[+VE R8]

Tks Widow.

[JazzJetDriver]

Just wondering, why would the engine be on fire and still at idle thrust.?

[Jastapilot]

Just wondering, why would the engine be on fire and still at idle thrust.?

Why wouldn't it be? The engine isn't idling on love, there's still fuel getting poured in the area. Good news is the engine is built to contain a catastrophic failure and a fire(within reason).

[JazzJetDriver]

Well I don't know anything about an Airbus engine, but if I had one on fire I would be thinking about shutting it down and firing the bottles before the said fire became un-contained.

...I was just wondering.

[Stinky]

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe they got the fire indication momentarily and it went out on it's own before they had a chance to do anything about it. Burning bird perhaps?

[Jaques Strappe]

Just wondering, why would the engine be on fire and still at idle thrust.?

What I overheard on the company frequency was that there was an initial fire indication when the bird went through the engine. The fire indication went out, the engine was brought to idle with no vibration or other abnormalities. At this point, I can only speculate that the crew let the engine idle and allowed it to run the associated hydraulic pump thereby reducing the amount of checklists required and facilitating a faster return to the airport.

[Rockie]

Well I don't know anything about an Airbus engine, but if I had one on fire I would be thinking about shutting it down and firing the bottles before the said fire became un-contained.

...I was just wondering.

A fire warning triggers an ECAM procedure that the crew follows, it is not a memory item. The first item on the procedure is of course selecting idle on the effected engine. If the fire warning goes out as a result of that action (which I'm guessing happened here) then the ECAM procedure disappears. No warning...no fire...no procedure...no need to shut down the engine.

They could have done the rest of the procedure as a precaution after looking it up in the book I suppose, but that takes time and since they were in the immediate area they likely didn't feel it was necessary in the absence of a fire warning.

Sounds like they did a nice job. Kudos to the crew.

[c170b53]

If true that would make two u/s 320 motors in the last two weeks due to bird ingestion.

[pilotbzh]

as long as they weren't on the same airplane.....at the same time..... but what are the chances....

[paddy]

If true that would make two u/s 320 motors in the last two weeks due to bird ingestion.

Its settled then - 320 motors are bird magnets and the fleet should be immediately grounded. I'll notify the media...

[Rotten Apple #1]

I saw an episode of W5 (I think it was anyway) a few months ago about opposition to wind generators. Concern was raised by some who were interviewed regarding the numbers of birds that were killed or injured by these wind generators.

That got me thinking.

Perhaps we need more wind generators to be erected around the perimeters of airports as a line of defence against bird strikes and ingestions. Anyone?

Chop Chop.

[Sulako]

...At this point, I can only speculate that the crew let the engine idle and allowed it to run the associated hydraulic pump thereby reducing the amount of checklists required and facilitating a faster return to the airport.

This is sort of a tangent, but I hope they train you guys that if the situation is ever really bad then all you need before an emergency return is 1 item: gear down. Never mind, I'm sure they do. Right?

[Jaques Strappe]

...At this point, I can only speculate that the crew let the engine idle and allowed it to run the associated hydraulic pump thereby reducing the amount of checklists required and facilitating a faster return to the airport.

This is sort of a tangent, but I hope they train you guys that if the situation is ever really bad then all you need before an emergency return is 1 item: gear down. Never mind, I'm sure they do. Right?

Yes they do. In fact, during the "Command Sim" sessions, they usually pile on multiple emergencies that may require you to put the checklist away, depending on how you handle the situation. However, when there is no immediate threat, as in this case, the checklists and briefings can get rather long winded. Checklists today are written by lawyers as much as aircraft performance engineers.