journey Log book

[hydraulic fluid]

Are there any log books out there that you can put one entry for the days flying,instead of an entry for each leg.

[Hedley]

Yes, all of them:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... htm#605_94

CAR 605.94(2):

(2) No person shall make a single entry in a journey log in respect of a series of flights unless

(a) the aircraft is operated by the same pilot-in-command throughout the series; or

(b) a daily flight record is used pursuant to Section 406.56.

I suppose you could make a single entry for an entire month's
flying, if you were the only pilot on the aircraft during that
time.

[nookie201]

Flying schools do this all the time.

-G

[Invertago]

Now I'm curious who here doing pop and chip runs logs multiple entries or one entry for the days flying assuming same aircraft you're PIC the whole day.

[black hole]

It all depends on what your ops manual says.

BH

[Invertago]

I should clarify, in your personal log, do you log each leg or all the flights on one aircraft you did that day?

[black hole]

If you are going to use your logbook as proof for a higher license; you had better log each trip. However: if you have all the licenses, and you are using the log book as a personal record; its up to you.(I used to use monthly totals and maybe significant trips)

As for the higher license: the times in your personal log should jive with the journey log of the A/C you fly ( THEY CHECK )....... Checkout the Enforcement section in the latest COPA Rag about the guy that lost the license that he had for a whole year!!!!!???


BH

[Hedley]

If you are going to use your logbook as proof for a higher license; you had better log each trip

Do you have a CARs reference for that requirement? Hint: there isn't one.

Daily totals in your personal log are just fine. You might fly 25
times in one day. It is not reasonable, nor is it legally required,
that you fill up two bloody pages in a logbook for one day of
flying

the times in your personal log should jive with the journey log

They had better! If you log, with a single entry in your personal
logbook, 5.0 hours flight time for a day in a particular aircraft, if
you look at the journey log for that aircraft for that day, it should
also have (a single entry for) 5.0 hours flight time, with you as
flight crew.

This is not rocket science.

[BTD]

When I submitted for my ATPL a little over a year ago, I had the last half of my logbook as daily entries. I submitted an up to date hardcover book and a usb stick with my computer logbook. Everything matched on both. I had it back within 3 days and the licence.

There is no need to log each leg individually.

BTD

[Hedley]

I had the last half of my logbook as daily entries

Of course. Why not?

[foxmoth]

"If you log, with a single entry in your personal
logbook, 5.0 hours flight time for a day in a particular aircraft, if
you look at the journey log for that aircraft for that day, it should
also have (a single entry for) 5.0 hours flight time, with you as
flight crew."

remember the newer format jlog is in air time, not flite time.
if you fly 16 short legs in a day, you may get 8 hours airtime, but your (legitimat) flight time mjay be over 11 hours.

what if you spend 20 minutes plus on each departure in line ups?
Not that I care, but someone burcrat at TC may question yur time when you want to up your licence.
just a thought
once you have the AA, do you care?

[Hedley]

Yeah, I thought it was funny that the new journey logs didn't
have a place for flight time, only air time! It makes Transport's
job harder if they want to correlate a pilot log with an aircraft
journey log.

once you have the AA, do you care?

Not me, but I understand the kids who are building time for
their "big airline" interview might - they need their magical
5000 TT or whatever it is these days.

[navajo]

I`ve submitted my ATPL with 1 entry per day, but I wrote all the legs in the "message" box (normally 8-10 legs per day). I didn't have any problem.

[foxmoth]

what I meant about not caring once a "AA"
was I would recommend doing every leg in your personal log book until you have shown the damd thing to TC.
That way if they do compare it to J logs, they will not see one huge lump increase, but little biddy ones that are easy to show as legit.

Then with your AA licence, you can fill in once a day, once a month, once a year if you want. May not be stricly legal but you not likely to be asked for the log again, unless on an airline interview.

[Cat Driver]

Then with your AA licence, you can fill in once a day, once a month, once a year if you want. May not be stricly legal but you not likely to be asked for the log again, unless on an airline interview.

All you need in a personal log by law is proof of currency, I believe it is five take offs and landings every three or six months.....its in the CAR's .

[black hole]

The Day I went to write my ATPL There was another fellow there for the same thing; with a stack of about 10 log book as he was the chief instructor of his own FTU. He had only listed daily totals on each AC. He was told to bring in all the flight sheets for the last..... to verify the correct times. Although they have known him for years they treated him like a criminal. But thats what TC does.??? They made me re-add all the times in my log with a tape type adding machineand then took me to the back room and on the computer pulled up all the planes that I had bought and sold to verify that I had once owned them and for how long.

BH

[Cat Driver]

The Day I went to write my ATPL There was another fellow there for the same thing; with a stack of about 10 log book as he was the chief instructor of his own FTU. He had only listed daily totals on each AC. He was told to bring in all the flight sheets for the last..... to verify the correct times. Although they have known him for years they treated him like a criminal. But thats what TC does.???

You have to look at it from TC's perspective, they can do this right in their office and if they find a mistake in your record keeping it is an easy catch, sort of like cops manning a speed trap at the bottom of a hill.

Remember these record mistakes are what gets people killed, unlike the operators who only intimidate their crews to break every law in the books.

It is all about policing the important things..... isn't it?