Air Aprint VS. Ornge - PC-12

[synthpro]

Have a job offer with Ornge. Got an interview lined up with Air Sprint. Both for PC-12.

In your mind... which company is better?

Ornge is based in Sioux Lookout. Air Sprint is based in my home town Montreal.

Also, any tips for the Air Sprint interview.

Many thank in advance.

M.

[North Shore]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Mustang06]

In my opinion, Ornge pays much better and its also more stable (tax payer money).
Good luck.

[inuitgifts]

Go with Ornge. Pension plan is something not to be ignored. Government is stable. Charters in this economical crisis is risky. A few of my pilot friends got laid off recently working for charter companies.

[CJ3PILOT]

Go with airsprint they have jets and all you will fly is a PC 12 with Ornge and Management is better at Sprint.

[fortis risk]

What does ornge look for in requirements?

[Cat Driver]

What does ornge look for in requirements?

Bring cash.

[Changes in Latitudes]

What does ornge look for in requirements?

Bring cash.

Funny how no one has even taken that into account yet. But what's worse, 40k per year with 10k of yours up front or 28k per year with no money up front? I guess that's your decision to make.

[Cat Driver]

But what's worse, 40k per year with 10k of yours up front or 28k per year with no money up front? I guess that's your decision to make.

It is the new age PDM thing, where you must show good decision making in which you get to gamble on how long you can work for them before you lose all or part of your cash up front.

I am happy I never had to show such nerves of steel decision making to get a job flying.

It was really weird in my day, they hired us and gave us whatever training we needed on their airplanes.

If an employer were to have asked us to pay them up front to work we would have laughed at them.

[2R]

So there is an upside to having a poor credit rating

[Doc]

Air Sprint, hands down. Nobody seems to have mentioned the simple fact that Ornge hasn't turned a prop??
Ornge requires you to to bring 10K to the table. That in itself makes Air Sprint the one I'd pick. As mentioned, there are other airplanes (read future fun and games) with Sprint. At Ornge, you'll get no respect. Ornge's higher pay (if it ever flies?) may well force other companies to raise the bar in the pay department.
Air Sprint has a base in YUL? That's your home? Paid for a move lately? It's a no-brainer!
Hold your head high! Don't buy your job.
Good luck.

[Doc]

What does ornge look for in requirements?

Bring cash.

Funny how no one has even taken that into account yet. But what's worse, 40k per year with 10k of yours up front or 28k per year with no money up front? I guess that's your decision to make.

Ornge 40K-10K=30K in the bank. If they don't like the "cut of your jib" you're out the door.....and they keep YOUR 10K! The way it's written, that could happen 11 months after you start. I wouldn't touch Ornge with a stick!
Air Sprint 28K+10K (which you keep in YOUR jeans)=38K in the bank at the end of they year.....do the math.

[TopperHarley]

Would you rather be flying a PC12 into Las Vegas or into Red Lake?

If you chose Vegas, go with Sprint. If Red Lake, go Orange

On a serious note, Id go with Sprint. Better routes and they've actually been in business for a while. If it's true that you have to fork $$ over up front with Orange, then it's an even bigger no brainer.

[definenormal]

Air Sprint; for all of the above reasons.

Oh yeah....and because the Medivac lifestyle sucks....

[Beach-King]

Its a tough call. Truthfully in depends on what you want. You need to ask youself the following;

1) Do you want to build time?

At AirSprint you will fly approx 400-500 hours per year. Three years later thats 1500TT.
I assume 1000-12000 per year at Ornge?

2) Can you live on 27k per year at AS?

Ornge pays their PC-12 FO`s more money then Citaiton XL drivers at AS. First year PC12 Captain at AS makes the same pay as first year first officer at Ornge. A captain at AS makes 45k. Just something to chew on. (A few Pilots from Sprint have jumped ship-thats part of the reason you have an interview)

3) Are you looking for a fast upgrade?

Dont know your total time, however, AS looks for 2000TT for left seat PC12. If your sitting approx 1000 TT that will take you 2 years at Sprint. You will build time faster at Ornge.

Be happy you have two organizations expressing interest in you. AirSprint is a professional company. They fly the wealthiest people in Canada. They started with 3 airplanes......now they have their own hanger, 8 Citations and 11 PC-12`s. Thats alot of money invested if you ask me. You dont get that big by playing your cards wrong.
With respect to Ornge I`m sure they have a good action plan. Its the government. These days everyone is watching their pockets. Anyone spending money is doing so for a reason. If its going to save them money in the future so be it. Whatever the reason is I`m sure its good or else no green light from Govt for $expansion$.

Hope this helps. Have fun at the interview in YUL. Just be yourself. CP is a cool guy.

[synthpro]

Hey thanks for that response Beach King air. Good info from that.

My biggest concern is to do with job security. I have a family, and from what I understood about the charter business... is they are suspect to economic downturns. So I would hate to go with Sprint... only to be laid off in a few months cause business in Montreal wasent as good as they hoped.

With Ornge... I don't need to worry about that stuff...

[Flaps 1 Billion]

Those are good points Synth. However, I'd pick Sprint, especially with a family in the house.

Sprint will keep you and the family where they want to be. Working a lighter sked gives you more time at home, saves you cash on baby sitting or daycare, if you need it, and gives you a chance to work elsewhere to make up the extra money. Two jobs is a pain the ass but still, you're home with the family.

Ornge will indeed pay you more and perhaps fly you more. However, being hired now means bottom of the list, in both companies I know, so it'll be a long wait for a left seat me thinks. Will your family be happy living out of soiux lookout? If you're planning the commuting thing on those chunks of 6 off, don't forget the cost of commuting will drive you back down by 5-7000$ ish a year.

Both companies have their merits and their pitfalls. Long term though, I think Sprint would suit you better. If you're a family man, a good job in your home town with larger types to progress could very well provide a happy stable life for many years to come. Ornge would give you the better pay in the long run and more hours but then what? Another up-rooting of the family elsewhere.

One of the best CP's I ever worked for told me once that if you love your job but hate your home life you'll never be a happy man. But if you love your homelife and can get through the job, you'll be a happy man. If you love both your homelife and your job, you're a lucky man.

What I mean by that is, will your family be happy living in a dump in the middle of winter just to make 40gs???

It's a tough call I know, I just went through the same thing myself. In the end I went with home, less money, better company and progression, but most importantly, home with all that is good for me, and I didn't need to pay 10gs.

[B232]

Ornge dose not have a bond. From what I understand.

[2R]

Ornge has also apllied for an international licence ,and is looking at some jets (another big K deal)




(hey ,might as well start a good rumour as it is getting boring talking about PPC's and paying to work )

[El Comat]

What I mean by that is, will your family be happy living in a dump in the middle of winter just to make 40gs???

Sioux Lookout is no dump. Actually it's quite the opposite. However, if you go there with typically cocky southerner attitude, then yes, the place will eat you alive and you won't like it.

Sorry for the thread hijack!

And to get back on topic, does Ornge really have a "buy-your-job" bond?

EC

[Doc]

Ornge dose not have a bond. From what I understand.

You've been misinformed. Ornge requires 10K up front.

[B232]

I have not been misinformed.

[~Hollywood~]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the simple fact that Ornge hasn't turned a prop??

Have seen those Ornge pilati buzzing around YQT the last few days. I don't think they've done any actual medevac flights but those planes are defintely doing some training....

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CGRXD
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CGRXE

Those are just two off the top of my head that I've heard on the radio....

[Doc]

What I mean by that is, will your family be happy living in a dump in the middle of winter just to make 40gs???

Sioux Lookout is no dump. Actually it's quite the opposite. However, if you go there with typically cocky southerner attitude, then yes, the place will eat you alive and you won't like it.

Sorry for the thread hijack!

And to get back on topic, does Ornge really have a "buy-your-job" bond?

EC

It's like any other place. It's what you make of it.....but it sure as hell ain't Montreal!

[stopbar]

Anybody seen the ORNGE company update on Pilot Career Centre .com that was posted 2 days ago.

http://www.pilotcareercentre.com/JobRes ... ineID=2019



this really caught my attention

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