Love Letter to WestJet Employees
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BTW, I have my PPL since 1999 and fly a Mirage Microlite for fun.
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SWEET! Are they hard to learn to fly?
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Like driving a car, only easier. However I did plant it in a electric fence a while back unfortunately and it is in need of new sails.
You can get one for maybe $5K Canadian. Really easy to fly. Just need to look out for stuff like pylons and electric fences when landing it in someone's field. Can get a bit windy here in NZ, as the odd storm comes in from the Pacific with no warnings. Hence need new sails, he he.
If you ever thought about flying Rob, pop down your local gliding school or look up air schools. IN NZ we have Ardemoore, which now and again offer startup lessons, or 1 off 1 hour lessons (15 mins quick guide to flying, with a ground check of your craft, and then up and away). You get at least 35 mins flying and as soon as your up they give you the controls. The Co-Pilot lands it for you but hey presto, tis not rocket science.
I would recommend a wee bird like a microlite plane anytime. Cheap and easy. I expect the calibre here is the big stuff, however, in the air, it's all the same. What I want to build is a Zeppelin. One that does the distance. They were beautiful and elegant flying machines. I think time is important. And if I was to fly to Canada from here, I would like to take my time as there will no doubt be much to see along the way depending on which route I take.
Anyway. Peace all.
By asking questions is how we learn. By accepting someone else's word without question is dumb.
You can get one for maybe $5K Canadian. Really easy to fly. Just need to look out for stuff like pylons and electric fences when landing it in someone's field. Can get a bit windy here in NZ, as the odd storm comes in from the Pacific with no warnings. Hence need new sails, he he.
If you ever thought about flying Rob, pop down your local gliding school or look up air schools. IN NZ we have Ardemoore, which now and again offer startup lessons, or 1 off 1 hour lessons (15 mins quick guide to flying, with a ground check of your craft, and then up and away). You get at least 35 mins flying and as soon as your up they give you the controls. The Co-Pilot lands it for you but hey presto, tis not rocket science.
I would recommend a wee bird like a microlite plane anytime. Cheap and easy. I expect the calibre here is the big stuff, however, in the air, it's all the same. What I want to build is a Zeppelin. One that does the distance. They were beautiful and elegant flying machines. I think time is important. And if I was to fly to Canada from here, I would like to take my time as there will no doubt be much to see along the way depending on which route I take.
Anyway. Peace all.
By asking questions is how we learn. By accepting someone else's word without question is dumb.
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Rob, you would seem to imply a minimal government would be acceptable to you, albeit one with no authority, emasculated as it is in having no authority over you.
Or perhaps you thought you might indulge our largesse and engage our courts (we being the citizens, that is those that have agreed to surrender certain freedoms in return for the aegis of the state). You would have us indulge your penchants for challenging the governmental sactioned entities (societies, corporations, ministries, courts and tribunals) for your personal gain, with no loss to you. At our considerable expense, we being the taxpaying shareholders of big 'C' Canada.
I'm not sure why we would entertain the thought of the rest of we sheeple giving to you that which you would use to attack our stability. Why would we permit that?
You apparently have served the majesty, or your father did. Then you would understand sedition. Of course seditious behaviour would be brought about by citizens, of which you profess no tethers to.
Then we are left with an outside force attacking the stability of our governing bodies. And that leads us to the reasons why we have the myriad rules we have.
Me? I put the haki sac away long ago and got tired of wearing the same pants and shirt day after day and driving with no insurance or driver's licence and generally rebelling against rules because they were rules.
With respect of course Rob. I would attempt another watching of your videos but I am away without access to anything but ancient BlackBerry.
Or perhaps you thought you might indulge our largesse and engage our courts (we being the citizens, that is those that have agreed to surrender certain freedoms in return for the aegis of the state). You would have us indulge your penchants for challenging the governmental sactioned entities (societies, corporations, ministries, courts and tribunals) for your personal gain, with no loss to you. At our considerable expense, we being the taxpaying shareholders of big 'C' Canada.
I'm not sure why we would entertain the thought of the rest of we sheeple giving to you that which you would use to attack our stability. Why would we permit that?
You apparently have served the majesty, or your father did. Then you would understand sedition. Of course seditious behaviour would be brought about by citizens, of which you profess no tethers to.
Then we are left with an outside force attacking the stability of our governing bodies. And that leads us to the reasons why we have the myriad rules we have.
Me? I put the haki sac away long ago and got tired of wearing the same pants and shirt day after day and driving with no insurance or driver's licence and generally rebelling against rules because they were rules.
With respect of course Rob. I would attempt another watching of your videos but I am away without access to anything but ancient BlackBerry.
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Interesting topic if your blackberry is up to it there is even a more interesting video of an ex policeman and naval officer who was given some documents which were of supposedly "Historical Importance"Then you would understand sedition.
It turns out that in 1971 Edward Heath and Ilk, (British PM and Cabinet) signed over sovereign powers to a foreign body. Basically said OK to joining the EEC (European Economic Community) now the EU (European Union).
Well it also says in our Constitution that we as a Nation may not render any of our sovereign powers to a foreign body unless defeated in battle. And if you look closely at British history, they haven't lost a War since 1066.
So, what have we here?
Sedition and Treason.
Treason, which is punishable with death! and Sedition which will give you life imprisonment.
Here is the link to the video: http://www.tpuc.org/node/560
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I think I understand now. Freeman Menard does not exist by any definition that I understand, therefore he doesn't exist. If he doesn't exist, he could never have tried to board an aircraft that exists according to this world's definition of an airplane. In fact he could not even have bought a ticket, because what is a ticket really? What is Westjet but a false construct of Clive Beddoe's imagination? The world is not real. Freeman Menard is not real.
Pass me another joint.
Pass me another joint.
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Terry Wrist wrote:This is an aviation forum? Does anyone care to explain the law as to what is accepted by law what is the correct paperwork for people who have no country?
International flights are subject to the rules put in place by the International Civil Aviation Organization. If you choose not to have a passport, you will have to take your concerns to them. It is outside of Canadian - or New Zealand's - jurisdiction.
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Thanks, I will write to the Civil Aviation Organization and post my findings when I get them.
Peace eh?
Peace eh?
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Oh please don't. This is the most amusing six pages I've read in quite some time!Widow wrote:...I really don't know why we haven't locked this thread already. I know I'm but a keystroke away from doing so ...
Besides that, the arguments are actually fairly interesting (again, from an amusement point of view) ... like something out of a Monty Python skit or Peter Sellers movie. I'm just waiting for Dr. Strangelove to make a cameo appearance.
Cheers,
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I still want to help them find that valley.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Rob you are getting away from some points though. Why would we fund your activities, i.e. by permitting your use of our courts?
Curious. Would you choose to fly with an airline that had chosen which rules it had to follow and decided which did not apply? You see, our corporation is not free to operate without following rules established by others (many or few, it matters not). You would advocate escaping onerous restrictions on a personal level. That cannot apply in a safety sensitive field such as ours.
As well, our industry functions most efficiently when you surrender freedoms and comply. Make no mistake, no acquiesence is what we prefer, as combative attitudes are not welcome inside the airplane.
Freemen and freewomen may not like it, but airlines will change rules, at their own will or in spite of it, but it's our game and we make the rules. Clearly.
At least until our courts or our regulator decides elsewise.
Curious. Would you choose to fly with an airline that had chosen which rules it had to follow and decided which did not apply? You see, our corporation is not free to operate without following rules established by others (many or few, it matters not). You would advocate escaping onerous restrictions on a personal level. That cannot apply in a safety sensitive field such as ours.
As well, our industry functions most efficiently when you surrender freedoms and comply. Make no mistake, no acquiesence is what we prefer, as combative attitudes are not welcome inside the airplane.
Freemen and freewomen may not like it, but airlines will change rules, at their own will or in spite of it, but it's our game and we make the rules. Clearly.
At least until our courts or our regulator decides elsewise.
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Well, I'd just like to say thanks again West Jet for how you helped my hubby tonight. He bought a ticket for his daughter to fly from Halifax to Vancouver to go to university. Seems the kid just wanted a vacation in the end and we weren't going to fund her 2-way travel. WestJet transferred the 'non transferrable' ticket (at a cost, but better than biting the whole amount) to his name from his daughters so he can use it in the next year.
I told him when he was calling, he'd have a better chance of getting cooperation (yes, at a price) from West Jet than any other airline here.
Thanks again; I really do like flying with you folks. I've never had a bad experience yet, which I can say I've had many with other airlines!
Cheers!
Micha
I told him when he was calling, he'd have a better chance of getting cooperation (yes, at a price) from West Jet than any other airline here.
Thanks again; I really do like flying with you folks. I've never had a bad experience yet, which I can say I've had many with other airlines!
Cheers!
Micha
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Wow, I graduated from University with a degree in Philosophy and never thought I would have to read anymore drivel about definition of terms, etc...
Low and behold, 10 years later and here I am.
Back then, I was able to argue that racism was good for society, based on my definition of racism being the opposite of racism. I got an "A," so I wish you all well with your back and forth arguments about definitions. If you use your imagination, anything can be anything.
Low and behold, 10 years later and here I am.
Back then, I was able to argue that racism was good for society, based on my definition of racism being the opposite of racism. I got an "A," so I wish you all well with your back and forth arguments about definitions. If you use your imagination, anything can be anything.
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No Passport. No Problem says British Airways!
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/new ... 35230.html
(I love the "Submit" button, LOL. I am yielding to authority by hitting this button).
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/new ... 35230.html
(I love the "Submit" button, LOL. I am yielding to authority by hitting this button).
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Well, that was 2003 and extraordinary circumstances ... and as noted at the end of the article:
Canada's rules allow for same.
Maybe you guys should start by contacting TC's OOR.
The passenger's documents had been stolen and he was in possession of a police report saying same. He'd been cleared in advance by immigration.British Airways replies: Normally passengers are not permitted to travel without passports on international flights. However, there may be occasions when the passenger is allowed to, but these are very rare and only when the destination station (in this case Heathrow airport) or immigration authority has agreed to this
Canada's rules allow for same.
Maybe you guys should start by contacting TC's OOR.
Reconsideration and Appeals
The Passenger Protect program also includes a reconsideration process for individuals who wish to contest the denial of boarding. An individual who has been denied boarding under the Passenger Protect program will be able to apply to Transport Canada's Office of Reconsideration (OOR), which may arrange for an independent assessment of the case and make a recommendation. The goal is to provide a non-judicial, efficient mechanism for any member of the public to have their case reviewed by persons independent of those who made the original recommendation to the Minister. Individuals have the further option of making application to Federal Court for judicial review.
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If you are not defined by any Act in CANADA, where (who) WestJet is governed (by), you do not exist. You do not have the right to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, you cannot use CANADA's courts to offer your voice and opinion.Freeman Menard wrote: I am nothing defined by any Act, so I guess the answer is NO. A big fat one even. No I am not defined by that Act. I refuse to be defined by the words of others, who then claim I cannot understand those words, as I am not a lawyer. Who in their right mind could accept such a situation? And a deception widely held is none the less still a deception, and holding it is not a virtue and does not bring benefits or blessings.
So yes I have claimed an existence that does not grant me the benefits that you receive as a so called Citizen, that does not mean any human being can remove my rights which exist outside the framework within which they exist as a 'citizen'.
You seem to think questioning the way in which people in power are granted power and exercise it is some sort of rejection of government and community in general. It is not. Nor is it an abandonment of duties to our country and fellow man, but the opposite.
Denying consent to be represented and thus governed is the greatest tool we have at our disposal to peacefully ensure complete government accountability. There is nothing better and it is what people fought, killed and died for to protect.
If seems very hypocritical to me that you complain about your cause, but then turn around and use very same system to go about change. In my opinion, if you fail to adhere to the rules and regulations set out by CANADA, you shouldn't be able to use CANADA to your advantage.
You have made the choice not to be recognized or accepted by CANADA or any (read: all) of the entities that choose to be governed under CANADIAN law. Immediately after making this choice, you forfeited any right to complain or seek recourse for any action that is deemed unfavorable to you.
Out of curiosity, do you go to this extent with every interaction with the government?
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The tolerance many of you have for these individuals is amazing! I only wish I had half the patience.
Good luck to you Rob, from the sounds of it, you're going to need more than just some luck however..
Good luck to you Rob, from the sounds of it, you're going to need more than just some luck however..
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All I can say is:
6 pages in this thread!?!?!?!
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6 pages in this thread!?!?!?!
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hoghead wrote:When did Westjet start flying to Ponoka?![]()
Hey FM,
If you do ever get on a flight somewhere just remember when that door closes, the Captain is the final authority to ensure the guests, crew and airplane are safe (especially from disruptive pax).
Can you accept that or would that make the Captain a tyrant?
Rules are rules, try to follow them. It what makes things kind of civil, you should be happy you live in a place where people line up for things.

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1- I have spoke with the OOC people and they found it 'very strange' that I would be denied boarding and not be on the list merely for not having id issued by the government. Apparently someone on their end is not following the proper procedure at all.
2- Sedition requires one to advocate using violence to over throw a legitimate government. I do not do such things.
3 - You people keep talking about the rules, but don't seem to be able to read the ones you have. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HAVE GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID TO FLY DOMESTICALLY! NONE! And any one who believes otherwise is beyond ignorant and simply can't read or interpret statutes properly.
4 - The greatest threat to Canada is not people such as myself who question authority, it is the ignorant complacency masquerading as a virtue such as I have seen here. Government is supposed to be our servants, and they use deceptive words to get us to identify ourselves as legally incompetent and therefore grant them power to administer all of our affairs and act as our nanny. I do not need a nanny nor do I need to exist with permission of another. Some of you seem to think it is the only way to be. You are in spirit, mind and legal capacity merely children. YOu need the government's 'permission' to fly. I do not. And my right to fly was interfered with by those who deceptively and criminally demand I submit to them and their only reason to stop me is my refusal to do so.
I have dealt with a great many willfully ignorant people and they all display the very same emotions at first. Rejection and ridicule and refusal to believe. Then you get angry and then you see how you allowed yourself to be deceived and how you embraced that deception and called it a virtue, like many of you here now do. Then you start to wake up.
Well have a great day!
Rob
2- Sedition requires one to advocate using violence to over throw a legitimate government. I do not do such things.
3 - You people keep talking about the rules, but don't seem to be able to read the ones you have. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO HAVE GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID TO FLY DOMESTICALLY! NONE! And any one who believes otherwise is beyond ignorant and simply can't read or interpret statutes properly.
4 - The greatest threat to Canada is not people such as myself who question authority, it is the ignorant complacency masquerading as a virtue such as I have seen here. Government is supposed to be our servants, and they use deceptive words to get us to identify ourselves as legally incompetent and therefore grant them power to administer all of our affairs and act as our nanny. I do not need a nanny nor do I need to exist with permission of another. Some of you seem to think it is the only way to be. You are in spirit, mind and legal capacity merely children. YOu need the government's 'permission' to fly. I do not. And my right to fly was interfered with by those who deceptively and criminally demand I submit to them and their only reason to stop me is my refusal to do so.
I have dealt with a great many willfully ignorant people and they all display the very same emotions at first. Rejection and ridicule and refusal to believe. Then you get angry and then you see how you allowed yourself to be deceived and how you embraced that deception and called it a virtue, like many of you here now do. Then you start to wake up.
Well have a great day!
Rob
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You have got to be kidding me? Have we descended to this level of non-thought? Because I am not mentioned in an Act means none of their words affect me, it does not mean I do not exist. According to your argument, things not found in an Act do not exist. Know what you won't find in any Act? The words love, compassion and truth. Does this mean that none of those things exist? Do you accept that love exists even though it is not mentioned in any Act?If you are not defined by any Act in CANADA, where (who) WestJet is governed (by), you do not exist. You do not have the right to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, you cannot use CANADA's courts to offer your voice and opinion.
As for use of courts, I cannot use them as you would which is as an incompetent ward of the state. I can use them to address not MY BOSSES, but yours and use them to have you corrected. If I tell my neighbors babysitter to correct her charges, does that mean I agree to be babysat? Of course not and your position is simply contrary to basic tenants of justice and how it is administered. I don't blame you, you have been conditioned to think by emotions and with a very immature and childish outlook. You do after all need your governments permission to travel and I do not, and you simply can't see why you need that permission and I do not. And I do see why that situation is the way it is. You abandoned and begged and I did not, therefore the law treast you like a child and me like a self governing adult. And adults who are comfortable in their sleep, will see me as a threat to their continued embrace of ignorance and express their fear by using words like sedition and you don't exist.
You should google Rob's Very Cunning Plan. It is not difficult at all to convene our own courts and use them to bring criminal charges against the operators of the existing ones. Nor is it difficult for us to hire each other as sworn and bond bound peace officers to enforce the orders of our courts. And if they rule that because your airlines are not serving us unless we have abandoned our rights as Canadians we get to shut you down for a few days, you will all smarten up then won't you?
This is why I can go to the existing courts and have them sanction you and never be in their jurisdiction.
Unbelievable the way those conditioned to think like children really do think like children. I don't exist because I am not a ward or employee of the state? All the rules you refer to are all the rules that are supposed to be applied against government employees so they do not get out of hand. They tricked you all into becoming their employees and now you think it is the law and those who are not employed by your nanny, or have not agreed to be nannied, no longer exist. And yes little boy, I do not demand pablum like you do. I do not have the benefit of wearing a diaper or not being responsible for my actions. I do not have a safety net in my life called 'Employment Insurance". I get up off my ass and do not demand others serve me and then cry when they do not. You eat pablum. I see life as a buffet and I enjoy steak, and when you grow teeth and learn to exist without a diaper, you can too. As it is, in the eyes of the law, if you have a SIN you are an employee of the federal government and subject to the rulings of the Federal Court, have an account with Revenue Canada and are bound by all the same rules which have been designed for that purpose. Easy to distinguish between them and law, if you do not think like a child. If you applied for and received government issued identification, you are a child of the province in which you reside, and they can treat you like a child your whole life, and it is the mechanism they use at law to be able to deny permission to travel, just like a parent can deny their children permission to travel.
You don't want to believe it, it may be too much truth for you all at once, and I don't want you choking on things you are not yet prepared to digest, let alone chew. Enjoy your pablum and don't worry if all sorts of people around you start to awaken and rise and you are still having either nightmares about boogie men or dreaming of being kept safe by your nanny.
You will come around one day.
Or not.
Some refuse to see truth even if it is right in their face. They roll over and go back to sleep, living their life on auto-pilot and ignoring the coming storm.
Well I hope that is enough cheese to start your day with.
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Morning Rob.
Good to see you received some vindication.
Your fuzzy logic escapes me though. We are children because we accept what? Some rules? Freedoms do have to be protected, of course. But not at the expense of disorder, would be my choice. A choice.
I see why the Honorable Justice had some difficulty following your thought process. I believe you are guilty of reading your own press too much. It's one thing to have varying ideas and to be passionate about them. But I see evidence of sophistry at work here, and I think that it is something you should work harder at avoiding.
In any case, most of us haven't considered lofty ideals since college days when we were sitting at the Student Union Building rolling 20 sided dice sending our seventh level wizard into battle so forgive us if we pilot types are a little slow on the uptake.
Clarity and conciseness of thought are what pilot communications are focussed on, and hence abstract concepts come slow to us with advancing age.
And I'll have some more of that cheese.
John
Good to see you received some vindication.
Your fuzzy logic escapes me though. We are children because we accept what? Some rules? Freedoms do have to be protected, of course. But not at the expense of disorder, would be my choice. A choice.
I see why the Honorable Justice had some difficulty following your thought process. I believe you are guilty of reading your own press too much. It's one thing to have varying ideas and to be passionate about them. But I see evidence of sophistry at work here, and I think that it is something you should work harder at avoiding.
In any case, most of us haven't considered lofty ideals since college days when we were sitting at the Student Union Building rolling 20 sided dice sending our seventh level wizard into battle so forgive us if we pilot types are a little slow on the uptake.
Clarity and conciseness of thought are what pilot communications are focussed on, and hence abstract concepts come slow to us with advancing age.
And I'll have some more of that cheese.
John
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Exactly! Well put.Freeman Menard wrote:
I know you do not like it and the idea of it will initially make you angry. There will be denial and then anger and then acceptance and shame and then you will get past that and start to see a truth you never even imagined. Or you will go back to sleep and continue to ridicule the people who defend your rights.
Rob
What is exciting here for me is how an "everyday occurance" in the "routine" of life ie Travelling By air has enormous consequences on our lives. And how, when we DO stand up for our rights (most often surrounded by a large majority who are ignorant of their "rights" or power) we are chastized and attacked.
As David Icke eloquently put it (I paraphrase) :
We are WORSE than sheep.
When one sheep finds a hole in the fence (ie PRISON) the sheep follow and run out.
The humans on the otherhand (persons, citizens etc) when caught up in the MENTAL trap, the SOCIAL trap of society after years of conditioning and FEAR, attack the very one who would stand and say: "HEY!!! Over here! I found a way out!"
We are are own CONTROLLERS, Police or Sheep-dogs if you will. If we WANT.
And that is what I see here.
Ignorance (which most of us were born into) and fear of the unknown, of being hoodwinked and LIED to again.
We all KNOw and FEEL with a bit of time and quiet THINKING about things that the whole bloody system has us all working AGAINST each other in a so-called Dog-Eat-Dog world, but that is all ARTIFICIAL.
So, Rob demonstrates a common occurance, and the forum demonstrates how, when he shares this in a humorous and respectful manner he is met with fear and attacks.
I recommend we ALL check out the Freeman on the Land links on http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=60
Its a start, a look into things from a very different angle.
Lets look at this Freeman aspect and see if it does indeed benefit us all, whether our part in all this is what we percieve as being Lawyers, Pilots, Passengers or any other verbs and nouns, whether we accept any number of beliefs about "WHO" we are and what our rights and "roles" are, lets take a look.
I think there is something fundamental and interesting here wioth implications to ourselves, our children, family and friends.
Society is a bundle of legalities and laws, we know this.
What we do also know is how ignorant little the vast majority of us are of the very things that affect us day to day.
Absurd when you think of it, but logical when one delves deeper into the structure of where we live and how.
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Amateur Turbines wrote:I have never been so interested in wasting my day in front of a computer as today!!!
Thank you everyone!
Haha!
and the greatest part of all is that you HAVENT wasted anything, you have gained knowledge, fun and THIS LINK:
www.thinkfree.ca ; )
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Replace the word Canada with any democracy. We fundamentally, and blindly, accept what we are told. Many people truely believe that more people were killed in the WTC than in the past six years of war in Iraq. Why? Because their government said so.Freeman Menard wrote:
The greatest threat to Canada is not people such as myself who question authority, it is the ignorant complacency masquerading as a virtue such as I have seen here.
I have dealt with a great many willfully ignorant people and they all display the very same emotions at first. Rejection and ridicule and refusal to believe. Then you get angry and then you see how you allowed yourself to be deceived and how you embraced that deception and called it a virtue, like many of you here now do. Then you start to wake up.
Rob
A little off track, but I do agree with you here, that to blindly accept "authority" without question makes for ideal citizens. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Interesting thread with good questions to ask.
Good luck cracking the case. Try not to go crazy in the process, Rob. Although, judging by your sense of humour, you may be well past the shelf life of that mental state as well.
Keep em thinking.
bmc