PRO IFR

bluesky1 · Post by **bluesky1** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:43 am

Looking for pilot's that went there for MIFR what was your experince mine was less than there those in the know train @ pro although John is great

SkyWolfe · Post by **SkyWolfe** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:45 am

When were you there?

iflyforpie · Post by **iflyforpie** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:49 am

Went there for an IFR renewal. The ground IFR course by John was great; but the instructors were just out to milk you on the sims. They started me on friggin intercepts and hold entries after a half-hour brief on how a VOR works;

when I'd been flying the flight-test route on my computer in a bloody King Air for weeks.

I wound up not renewing because I ran out of money to waste and I got a non-IFR job.

I'm renewing this fall at my old stomping grounds in Penticton where I know I won't be screwed around and they have a better plane (Aztec).

bluesky1 · Post by **bluesky1** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:02 am

wow,that's exactly what happend to self i spent 13000 and got kicked in the ass

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:27 pm

I recently renewed there. No problem. Booked the examiner and flew the trip. All done in an afternoon.

bluesky1 · Post by **bluesky1** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:25 pm

That's great good on ya bud

canpilot · Post by **canpilot** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:42 am

Can't say I was a PRO-IFR fan..

Although.. their seminars rock!!!!!!!

I hated that I couldn't book an INSTRUCTOR...I had to rotate through the plethora of instructors there.

Also, I was working two on-call jobs at the time to pay for the IFR. Sometimes I wouldn't be randomly called to work.. and I needed to cancel bookings usually 12-14 hours in advance... I explained this before going there.. And I still got hit with no-show fees. Same for when I got sick..It was almost like I needed a sick note or something.. or the school owned me.. weeeeeeiiiiirrrrrdddddddd

NOW! If they were late or their instructors didn't show I wasn't allowed to charge a no-show fee.. herm..

wcflyer · Post by **wcflyer** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:28 pm

Did my training at PRO and was impressed with John's "system". I still use it in my real world flying. It's too bad the above mentioned did not have a good experience at PRO.

I'm sure if you talked with John or Mark, they would have fixed any problems. It's up to the students to make sure how your money is spent. Remember, you are the boss, it's your money. You can request a specific instructor, airplane or time.

Having being an instructor, I always made sure I was there for my students. Cancelling at the last minute throws a wrench into the system. An instructor only gets paid when he or she flys or does briefings. When there is a no show or late cancelling, that instructor probably only had you as a student for that day. He/She drove to ZBB, prepared your lesson, cancelled other events so he/she can be there for you. Please cancel well ahead of time, so the school can book another student in the time slot. Especially during summer when airplanes are booked, it is hard to make a booking. Be courteous to your instructor and fellow students. When an instrcutor is late, it is probably due to weather, traffic, extra review etc.

When you go to a Doctors office and he/she keeps you waiting, do you tell him/her you want compensation for making you wait in the lobby for 1/2 hour? Would you want your money back if you are sitting in an airplane for 1/2 hour at the hold line because of traffic? You get the idea.

Just remember when you are late from a training flight because you needed review, extra circuits, etc and there is a student waiting for your airplane. You would hope that student understands why you were late. It could happen to you.

We are all in this together. The attitudes you develop during your training will carry on in your career.

Rant over

canpilot · Post by **canpilot** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:44 pm

I see your point.

I've always had the aircraft back on time for the next renter.

I agree instructors should have ample notice for cancellations. I hope 8-14 hours notice is good enough. I too have had to show up to the base for flights and have had last minute charters, fire patrols, government work cancel.. show up late or request a change of plans. We accomodate them and work with them.. we do not charge no-show fees.

I also don't plan to have the flu or a headcold.

randallg · Post by **randallg** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:46 pm

Got my multi-IFR at Pro in Jan-May 2008. I'm not intending to be a commercial pilot, nor do I own a twin (a man can dream) so it was just for fun. It was a great experience and I have nothing but good things to say about it. I never got the impression of being milked. In fact I flew several more flights than my instructors thought were necessary, but this was my choice and I did ace my rides. It didn't bother me that I flew with several instructors - they were all good. Got over 5 hours actual IMC in the process. I don't know what it cost, in fact I don't want to know... (am I the ideal student or what?)

Geko · Post by **Geko** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:24 am

canpilot wrote:I see your point.

I've always had the aircraft back on time for the next renter.

I agree instructors should have ample notice for cancellations. I hope 8-14 hours notice is good enough. I too have had to show up to the base for flights and have had last minute charters, fire patrols, government work cancel.. show up late or request a change of plans. We accomodate them and work with them.. we do not charge no-show fees.

I also don't plan to have the flu or a headcold.

I've been charged two no show fees for forgetting to cancel bookings due to a death in the family. While I understand this is my fault for not closing the bookings I have to say it caused me to loose respect for my Instructor and the FTU.

As a business I believe it is your responsibility to list out fees to your customers in writing and the simple fact it is also required by a merchant account issuer (Visa/MasterCard). Therefore if I am assessed a "no-show" fee outside of any written time frame and I am refused a refund I will probably initiate a charge back. I might swallow it if I believe it would do more harm to my relationship with the FTU in question but that's a big if.

SkyWolfe · Post by **SkyWolfe** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:37 am

Gecko,

I do believe they state that in the PRO-IFR members handbook or whatever its called. I just don't think they indicate that you will be charged a no-show fee for a family death.

Did you explain that you had a death in the family?

I believe that also falls under the IMSAFE checklist. Do they really want a student in the plane that is concentrating on illness or one that is not in a mental state to by flying a plane (and understandably so)

Geko · Post by **Geko** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:22 am

SkyWolfe wrote:Gecko,

I do believe they state that in the PRO-IFR members handbook or whatever its called. I just don't think they indicate that you will be charged a no-show fee for a family death.

Did you explain that you had a death in the family?

I believe that also falls under the IMSAFE checklist. Do they really want a student in the plane that is concentrating on illness or one that is not in a mental state to by flying a plane (and understandably so)

Oh I wasn't talking about PRO IFR specially and yes I did indicate to the Flying Club that I'm using for training that I had a death in the family and they never refunded me the charge. I swallowed the fee but I won't do that ever again with them.

The IMSAFE checklist is perfectly reasonable and it is a students responsibility to learn when it is unacceptable to fly. That doesn't constitute a "no-show" fee to me as I would be showing up and if I'm sick or distraught over a family members death then that would be the lesson for the day. Don't fly. Charge me for a ground briefing

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SkyWolfe · Post by **SkyWolfe** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:28 am

You shouldn't be charged for that...................

Geko · Post by **Geko** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:17 pm

My smiley face was my best attempt at sarcasm.

Unless you were referring to the "no-show" fee which I agree with.

Freddy_Francis · Post by **Freddy_Francis** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:42 am

Did my IFR there earlier this year. Got it done in a good timeframe (wx & maintenance permitting) Like was said earlier, my money im the boss, and thats all with respect to the code of the school. before I signed my name I read the agreement. Good school, good instructors, good times!

I highly recommend it and yes their seminars do rock

SkyWolfe · Post by **SkyWolfe** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:48 am

Geko wrote:My smiley face was my best attempt at sarcasm.

Unless you were referring to the "no-show" fee which I agree with.

I don't know what I was talking about either because I didn't type that...

Two Avcanada'rs in one house can get confusing

Theophrastus · Post by **Theophrastus** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:35 pm

Freddy_Francis,

I'm doing some research for Jr...

When you were there, did you get the impression that the instructors there were there to teach ot build hours? I understand its a Jr position before the airlines, but were they dedicated to what they did while they were there?

It appears you were happy with the service.

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