Love Letter to WestJet Employees

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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees

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Rockie wrote:
Cat Driver wrote:If a Canadian renounces their citizenship what happens?

Can they still live and work in Canada?
No you cannot. Citizenship automatically grants both, but if you renounce it you lose both rights because...tada...you aren't a Canadian citizen anymore (just ask Conrad Black). They would then have to apply and be granted either landed immigrant status or be given a work visa. The Freemen of course would not apply for either because they do not recognize Canada and have a serious bug up their ass over any document issued by Canada. Much easier to just keep their citizenship and pretend that they don't have it anymore.
thats is where you are asuming again! the rights we speak of are not given by any governemt.

they are un-aleinable. a baby born in the woods, with no birth certicicate in BC. for example. does that baby have rights? where do animals get thir rights? from a man made constitution?
go head, tell a first nations native that, and you will get a new education real fast. if not then it would be lawful to enslave that child and force it to grow up the way you want. i fact, you could even kill it,, torture it, and all kinds of sick stuff because it has no rights? is that your argument as to where our rights come from?

the rights we have are bestowed before birth. in the womb, at the moment of conception. look up in the laws of nature and it clearly states at what point a fetus is considered alive. and that being has rights.

what you are talking about are privaleges. not rights.

distinctions! make the distinctions!
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and as for the other posts regarding the right to fly.

Rob never once said he had right to fly. he has rioght to travel.again distinguish! He paid the fare. that creates a contract.his payment on the offer made and the acceptance of that payments biunds both parties to the terms of that contract. its contract law 101- the law of a contract is the agreement of the two parties. period. and every unlawful contract is void ab-initio. this is grade 2 stuff! you learn this in public school!

the issue is that you dishonoured his presentation of ID was a bonded affidavidt that was sealed.
he was denied flight for unlawful reasons and thus a breach of contract occured.

makethe distinctions! geeez! th e judicial review is concerning policys. and Robs biggest peeve is that there is no remedy. there must be remedy, or that statute is legeslated unlawfuly and therefore must come under review and scrutenized and either amended or abolished. for it fails to meet the criteria.

so not only did west jet assume an extra step in thier duties, meaning they are supposed to ask. thats it. nowhere does it expressly state that they MUST SEE ID on a domestic flight. you assumed that you must see it. that is were you err. you ask and then fill in the blanks yourself.

so west jet employee did his duty, and asked to see id. Rob presented an affidavidt. from there on, had the west jet guy known his limits to his duty, he would have said ok, fair enough have a good flight.

But he didnt. He seen something out of the norm so he questioned it. That is fine too. he has to check wierd stuff out. but when the decision was finaly made to deny him, the basis was outside the letter if thier duty.

so its not the guy that checked Robs id that is under revew. but the ones that created the policy. and Rob was left with no remedy.
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees

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Here on planet earth we have something recognized worldwide called nations. You, whether you like it or not, are a citizen of a nation called Canada. It is for this reason that you are permitted to live and work in this nation called Canada. Your hairyfairy, make believe freeman status doesn't count. You are a Canadian. I kind of wish you weren't, but there it is.

While you have conveniently pushed that little fact out of your mind, I assure you the government of Canada hasn't. That's why Canada has no choice but to let you live here. Now if you were to say, renounce that Canadian citizenship then you could honestly claim that you weren't one and then Canada would be obliged to show you the door. Please do that for all our sakes.
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as for Robs right to fly, that was secured by the contract agreed upon.

that plane does not belong to Rob. he knows that. thats why he agreed to pay the fare asked.

that payment grants him access to a seat on that plane. Since it is a contract you cant just cancel a contract and keep the money. the reasons that contract were broken, were unlawful.

its your plane. therefore you make the rules-sort of. since it is a public service, and inteded to serve and fulfill a public need, the public gets something called cconsideration. i mean that term in the legal sense as well as the laymen sense. if west jet were privatley owned, wich it cant be totaly privatley owned, the govt must own at least 25% shares and be the major shareholder,Rob gets adequate consideration because he paid the fare. get it?

Rob isnt demanding th eright to fly. flying in itself is hard on the arms. :lol:

Rob has chosel his method of travel to be flying, and therefore made the contract. he has that choice you know...
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees

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Rockie wrote:Here on planet earth we have something recognized worldwide called nations. You, whether you like it or not, are a citizen of a nation called Canada. It is for this reason that you are permitted to live and work in this nation called Canada. Your hairyfairy, make believe freeman status doesn't count. You are a Canadian. I kind of wish you weren't, but there it is.

While you have conveniently pushed that little fact out of your mind, I assure you the government of Canada hasn't. That's why you still live here. Now if you were to say, renounce that Canadian citizenship then you could honestly claim that you weren't one. Please do that for all our sakes.
dude you reading or jsut skimming half way through? go read up on international law! go read the universal human rights act under the laws of Nations! these laws are the laws that goveren countries. CANADA must adhere to these laws and some parts of these laws bind each government world wide to cirtain pilices. and they are laws not statutes. they are not polite suggestions, or requests.

go read up on the right of self determination. and define citizen, and bear in mind the rioght to engage in commerce. these are inhereant at birth and arise form the lwas of Nature. i dont mean scientific laws of natture you learn in science class, i mean the of the laws of nature and nations. google it. anyhow your entire post is soo full of assumptions indoctrinated into you and you still fail to distinguish!

no wonder you are confused and think we are nuts... you would be soo easy to pull the wool over your eyes!

you are like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest! open the other eye man.
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At first I was amused reading this thread.

But now I am beginning to think that we have some truly fucked up people posting here.

Rockie has it right, best thing you people can do is renounce your Canadian citizenship then get back to us and let us know how things go.
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tehmastermonk wrote: makethe distinctions! geeez! th e judicial review is concerning policys. and Robs biggest peeve is that there is no remedy. there must be remedy, or that statute is legeslated unlawfuly and therefore must come under review and scrutenized and either amended or abolished. for it fails to meet the criteria.

so not only did west jet assume an extra step in thier duties, meaning they are supposed to ask. thats it. nowhere does it expressly state that they MUST SEE ID on a domestic flight. you assumed that you must see it. that is were you err. you ask and then fill in the blanks yourself.

so west jet employee did his duty, and asked to see id. Rob presented an affidavidt. from there on, had the west jet guy known his limits to his duty, he would have said ok, fair enough have a good flight.

But he didnt. He seen something out of the norm so he questioned it. That is fine too. he has to check wierd stuff out. but when the decision was finaly made to deny him, the basis was outside the letter if thier duty.

so its not the guy that checked Robs id that is under revew. but the ones that created the policy. and Rob was left with no remedy.
Rob agreed to the contract when he purchased the ticket. You admit that? Read the bit I posted above directly from the contract he agreed to. Westjet had the "right to refuse boarding" using "reasonable discretion" "to prevent violation of any applicable law, regulation or order of any governmental authority of those jurisdictions where the aircraft shall be flown from, to or over."

The rules say the airline is "required to screen" each person and describes the method by which screening shall be acheived (namely - using government issued ID).

If they cannot acheive screening by the method described in the rules, they are within their rights, retained by contract, to refuse boarding.

You Freemen are the only ones who seem to think their refusal was unreasonable. IMHO, that is because you yourselves are mincing - sorry, twisting - words to make them mean what you want them to mean.

Please explain how "asking" to see, rather than actually "seeing" the ID could possibly acheive the screening requirement? :roll:

Rob knew, or should have known, the rules with respect to ID screening. He tested the system and lost. A remedy is available, as described back on page 6 of this thread:
Reconsideration and Appeals

The Passenger Protect program also includes a reconsideration process for individuals who wish to contest the denial of boarding. An individual who has been denied boarding under the Passenger Protect program will be able to apply to Transport Canada's Office of Reconsideration (OOR), which may arrange for an independent assessment of the case and make a recommendation. The goal is to provide a non-judicial, efficient mechanism for any member of the public to have their case reviewed by persons independent of those who made the original recommendation to the Minister. Individuals have the further option of making application to Federal Court for judicial review.
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tehmastermonk wrote:so not only did west jet assume an extra step in thier duties, meaning they are supposed to ask. thats it. nowhere does it expressly state that they MUST SEE ID on a domestic flight.
Not true.
All guests aged 18 and over are required to present at the gate, during boarding, one piece of valid government issued photo ID showing their name, date of birth and gender. If a valid government issued photo ID is not available, then two pieces of valid government issued non-photo ID will be required one of which must show their name, date of birth and gender.

Accepted valid government issued photo ID and non-photo ID are:

Passport
Citizenship card
Permanent resident card
Driver's licence
Health card
Provincial/Territorial Government Identification Cards (GIC)
Birth certificate
Record of Landing Form/Confirmation of Permanent Residence (IMM 5292)
Immigration documents issued to foreign nationals (work permit, study permit, visitor record, temporary resident permit, refugee approved status)
Canadian military ID
Federal police ID
Federal, provincial, and municipal government employee ID
Social insurance number (SIN) card
Old age security (OAS) identification card
Certificate of Indian Status (Status Card) issued by Indian and Northern Affairs
CBSA NEXUS Card
Restricted Area Identity Card (RAIC or Red Pass)
This information is included in WestJet's Condition of Carriage. These requirements go above and beyond the Identify Screening Regulations, but have been approved by Transport Canada and are included in the Terms and Conditions of the agreement one enters (and agrees to) upon purchasing a ticket on WestJet Airlines Ltd.

If you do not agree to these terms and conditions, a refund in the form of a credit file will be created for the amount of the unused portion of your flight. At this point, any contract with WestJet Airlines Ltd. is void.

Furthermore, please note:
Except as otherwise provided for in this Rule 5 and to the extent permitted by law, THE CARRIER SHALL
LIABLE TO ANY PASSENGER or other person for refusing to board or transport that passenger or any person
on an aircraft of the Carrier or for otherwise removing a passenger from the aircraft at any point in the flight; nor shall the
Carrier be liable to any of the passengers or other person for exercising its discretion not to refuse to board or transport or
remove any passenger or other person on or from the aircraft.
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tehmastermonk wrote:dude you reading or jsut skimming half way through? go read up on international law! go read the universal human rights act under the laws of Nations! these laws are the laws that goveren countries. CANADA must adhere to these laws and some parts of these laws bind each government world wide to cirtain pilices. and they are laws not statutes. they are not polite suggestions, or requests.
Well since you brought it up. Please provide a quote from international law where it says you can live and work anywhere you want in the world simply because you exist. Not some drug induced freeman interpretation either. Show me an actual quote from the international court, United Nations, or Canadian government document that specifically states that you have the right to live and work in Canada regardless of your citizenship. While you're at it provide documentary proof that Canada accepts and adheres to that doctrine. You can also tell us if you have renounced your Canadian citizenship. I'll wait..........
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ok here is the first link.... this is the universal human rights...

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

read the preamble... first, this explains where we as humans get our rights. u-alienable.

this is paragraph 3 and 4..

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations


Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law


Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country

Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests


Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.


there you go. now remeber you are reading law. it looks like english. i suggest you use a law dictionary and look up the verbs, and adverbs, and nouns.
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That's a declaration, or a "wish list" if you prefer. It is not law. It's kind of like saying there will be peace on earth. Furthermore, it talks about countries and nations which is a concept you've already rejected. You also haven't shown where Canada, or any other specific country agrees to abide by it.
tehmastermonk wrote:Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country
This is particularly interesting. It refers to "his country", and you have none since you do not recognize Canadian citizenship. So that means although you can leave Canada if you wish, you have no right to return to it since it isn't your country. So many contradictions.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and presume that you wish to get along with your neighbors. The problem is all 30 million of your neighbors not only recognize Canada and Canadian citizenship, but it is very important to them. They value it. Since you place no value on it and in fact don't even recognize it, then in the interest of getting along with your neighbors you shouldn't mind renouncing that citizenship. It will make us all feel better because we won't be wasting Canadian rights that we value on someone who rejects them in favour of United Nations declarations. They don't matter to you right? You don't even know what Canadian citizenship is so why don't you fill out our irrelevant Canadian paperwork to renounce it and then we will love you.

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And I suggest, tehmastermonk et al, that you read Articles 28 through 30.
Article 28.
•Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29.
•(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
•(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
•(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30.
•Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
What you Freemen promote is disorder - by denying the statutes set out by each nation in order to provide social order and meet "the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare of a democratic society".
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disorder? how do you gather disorder from that? explain to me how you understand those three articles. go ahead, deconstruct them briefly.

are you sugesting that we seek to destroy your rights as a whole? you are assuming again.

we respect your rights. but when your corperations encroach on our rights, and no remedy provided, there is a conflict.

i just dont see how those three articles imply that we promote disorder..
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Please provide a quote from international law where it says you can live and work anywhere you want in the world simply because you exist.
I have a bit of experience with so called " rights " in other countries around the world.

The best suggestion I can give a freeman is to somehow get to Saudi Arabia and tell them what your thoughts are on rights and demand to be allowed to enter the Kingdom and live there.

I was going to suggest you get back to me and let me know how it went...but I already know the answer.
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It will be up to a judge and you folks can cry in your whine.

The duty for an airline carrying people domestically is simply to ask to see ID, they are not required to see it, as opposed to international travel, where they are required to see it.

Who wants to bet I do not win, based upon those basic undeniable and unequivocal facts and the law that says we are all equal, and thus none may govern me without my consent. Your positions reject the concept of equality and thus Law.

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tehmastermonk
a freeman just approaches everything a different way as he lives on a different plane of existance
Not without two pieces of government issued I.D.
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umm whats saudi arabia have to do with this? thats like one of those stories of when i was yer age.. whippersnapper.... i mean come on.

are you suggesting that i should be so grateful to live in canada that i should bend over the log and surrender to a corperation that tazers pregnant women and forigners?


in countries like saudi arabia, all you gotta do is bribe the right guy. i dont agree with that shit either. notice they (to my knowledge ) are not members of the united nations.

you all misunderstand. i dont hate this country. i love it i have faily that went to both wars for it as well as you. but i feel that what is happening now, is not what they faught and died for. i dont think they realized at the time what the agenda was.(no i am not a conspiracy theorist i think those clowns are nuts, esp alex jones)

and ill say it again... most statutes have the right intent behind them, however its the way they are administrated, and not to mention the public fool systems neglect on accurat education regarding laws.

we are all for the rule of law. that is to say law. as concerning the law, this is not subject to private interpetation, the law is the law and like it or not it applies. pereiod. statutes provide too many escapes from law. too many loopholes for corruption to take residence.
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tehmastermonk wrote:disorder? how do you gather disorder from that? explain to me how you understand those three articles. go ahead, deconstruct them briefly.
Each member nation/State that has signed this Declaration (not a law) has pledged to promote the Articles. How do they do this other than by making laws, statutes, etc. enforcable within each nation state?
tehmastermonk wrote:we respect your rights. but when your corperations encroach on our rights, and no remedy provided, there is a conflict.
When have you not been afforded remedy in Canada?

Also -
Widow wrote:Please explain how "asking" to see, rather than actually "seeing" the ID could possibly acheive the screening requirement?
Rob, you accepted WestJets contract when you purchased the ticket. They were within their rights to refuse, as has been explained to you, over and over again.
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All guests aged 18 and over are required to present at the gate, during boarding, one piece of valid government issued photo ID showing their name, date of birth and gender. If a valid government issued photo ID is not available, then two pieces of valid government issued non-photo ID will be required one of which must show their name, date of birth and gender.

Accepted valid government issued photo ID and non-photo ID are:

Passport
Citizenship card
Permanent resident card

:lol: :lol: thats for international flights not domestic flights. check again
Driver's licence
Health card
Provincial/Territorial Government Identification Cards (GIC)
Birth certificate
Record of Landing Form/Confirmation of Permanent Residence (IMM 5292)
Immigration documents issued to foreign nationals (work permit, study permit, visitor record, temporary resident permit, refugee approved status)
Canadian military ID
Federal police ID
Federal, provincial, and municipal government employee ID
Social insurance number (SIN) card
Old age security (OAS) identification card
Certificate of Indian Status (Status Card) issued by Indian and Northern Affairs
CBSA NEXUS Card
Restricted Area Identity Card (RAIC or Red Pass)
This information is included in WestJet's Condition of Carriage. These requirements go above and beyond the Identify Screening Regulations, but have been approved by Transport Canada and are included in the Terms and Conditions of the agreement one enters (and agrees to) upon purchasing a ticket on WestJet Airlines Ltd.

If you do not agree to these terms and conditions, a refund in the form of a credit file will be created for the amount of the unused portion of your flight. At this point, any contract with WestJet Airlines Ltd. is void.

Furthermore, please note:
Except as otherwise provided for in this Rule 5 and to the extent permitted by law, THE CARRIER SHALL
LIABLE TO ANY PASSENGER or other person for refusing to board or transport that passenger or any person
on an aircraft of the Carrier or for otherwise removing a passenger from the aircraft at any point in the flight; nor shall the
Carrier be liable to any of the passengers or other person for exercising its discretion not to refuse to board or transport or
remove any passenger or other person on or from the aircraft.
Case closed.[/quote]
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Freeman Menard wrote:It will be up to a judge and you folks can cry in your whine.

The duty for an airline carrying people domestically is simply to ask to see ID, they are not required to see it, as opposed to international travel, where they are required to see it.

Who wants to bet I do not win, based upon those basic undeniable and unequivocal facts and the law that says we are all equal, and thus none may govern me without my consent. Your positions reject the concept of equality and thus Law.

Rob
Let's assume for the moment that you can actually prove your case in a court of law and expose the loophole in the regulations that are in place for our security and yours. The first thing the government is going to do is close that loophole making it a requirement to show government ID or you will not be permitted to board an aircraft. Then what? Are you never going to fly again? (keeping my fingers crossed here).

By the way, I believe you still haven't answered my question about renouncing your citizenship and you probably never will. So I'll ask another one. Are you lying about not knowing what Canadian citizenship is or are you really that stupid?
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This information is included in WestJet's Condition of Carriage. These requirements go above and beyond the Identify Screening Regulations, but have been approved by Transport Canada and are included in the Terms and Conditions of the agreement one enters (and agrees to) upon purchasing a ticket on WestJet Airlines Ltd.

If you do not agree to these terms and conditions, a refund in the form of a credit file will be created for the amount of the unused portion of your flight. At this point, any contract with WestJet Airlines Ltd. is void.

that is on an international ticket. and there is that word including again....however i dont think you were speaking legalese there so, sure fine fair enough. but case not closed..

the conditions of carriage are different from domestic to international. and furthermore, where is the remedy for those that have no govt id? what if a homeless guy with no id has a family emergency and has to fly?
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tiggermoth wrote:You so called "freemen" make me sick. You cannot give a straight answer to a simple question to save your life. You twist and distort everything to suit yourselves. AND DON'T GIVE ME BACK MORE BS ABOUT IT BEING THE GOV'T WHO HAS DISTORTED EVERYTHING. IT IS YOU!!!

The thing that pisses me off the most is that you are making a complete mockery of the country I am proud to be a part of. Our Fathers and Grandfathers fought wars and died to give us the freedoms and the life we are living today. Brave men paid the ultimate price for us to be able to enjoy the country we live in. If these men could see what you pansies are trying to pull to get a free ride, they would be rolling over in their graves! I must admit though it is quite an elaborite scam you got going to get out of having to pay your fair share. Like I said before, I am PROUD of my country, and I am PROUD to do my part.

Like others have said, If you don't want to pay taxes, fine, don't use our roads, don't use public schools, don't use the town water supply where you live, don't shit in the toilet and use the local sewer. You are not helping the upkeep of this stuff, don't use it. If you are too ignorant to follow the laws (Criminal code does cover driving without licenses and registered vehicles by the way) then you deserve anything that may come your way, which will be a lot at the rate you are going.

Last, if you do not want to be a part of the "system" for lack of better terms, and you want to be "freemen-of-the-land", that to me says you do not want to be a part of Canada. I say this because "Canada" as a country is its own "society" as you like to put it, and you want to be your own people. So, if this is truly the case, and you do not want to be governed in Canada and be a citizen of Canada........

Then renounce your citizenship and GET THE @#$! OUT OF MY HOME!!!!!!

My father put his life on the line in WWll. I stood for my country to four years.
Neither he, nor I, nor ANY OF THE VETERANS I have spoken with at their Legion agrees with you. They are all sickened by the way you so called adults are allowing the rights they fought for to be taken from you. You are abandoning them. They would never accept that they needed government permission to travel in their own country, and now this is what you folks are doing. And you are attacking those who are standing for the rights they fought for.

Shame on you all.

Rob
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees

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Rockie wrote:That's a declaration, or a "wish list" if you prefer. It is not law. It's kind of like saying there will be peace on earth. Furthermore, it talks about countries and nations which is a concept you've already rejected. You also haven't shown where Canada, or any other specific country agrees to abide by it.
tehmastermonk wrote:Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country
This is particularly interesting. It refers to "his country", and you have none since you do not recognize Canadian citizenship. So that means although you can leave Canada if you wish, you have no right to return to it since it isn't your country. So many contradictions.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and presume that you wish to get along with your neighbors. The problem is all 30 million of your neighbors not only recognize Canada and Canadian citizenship, but it is very important to them. They value it. Since you place no value on it and in fact don't even recognize it, then in the interest of getting along with your neighbors you shouldn't mind renouncing that citizenship. It will make us all feel better because we won't be wasting Canadian rights that we value on someone who rejects them in favour of United Nations declarations. They don't matter to you right? You don't even know what Canadian citizenship is so why don't you fill out our irrelevant Canadian paperwork to renounce it and then we will love you.

I promise.
geez. those rights listed there are part of the UN. of wich canada is a member and more than a wishlist. now as for the whole coming and going part, ever hear of right to travel witin the commonwealth? and no where in that right does it have a condition on ith that says citizens only.

dude, as i said, you are a one legged man in an ass kicking contest here. you still havent made the distinctions and so quickly forget all my other posts.
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees

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Freeman Menard wrote:Neither he, nor I, nor ANY OF THE VETERANS I have spoken with at their Legion agrees with you. They are all sickened by the way you so called adults are allowing the rights they fought for to be taken from you.
Oh give it a rest. Why don't you ask your buds at the legion if they have a passport or know what Canadian citizenship is. You might learn something useful.
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tehmastermonk wrote:
Rockie wrote:That's a declaration, or a "wish list" if you prefer. It is not law. It's kind of like saying there will be peace on earth. Furthermore, it talks about countries and nations which is a concept you've already rejected. You also haven't shown where Canada, or any other specific country agrees to abide by it.
tehmastermonk wrote:Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country
This is particularly interesting. It refers to "his country", and you have none since you do not recognize Canadian citizenship. So that means although you can leave Canada if you wish, you have no right to return to it since it isn't your country. So many contradictions.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and presume that you wish to get along with your neighbors. The problem is all 30 million of your neighbors not only recognize Canada and Canadian citizenship, but it is very important to them. They value it. Since you place no value on it and in fact don't even recognize it, then in the interest of getting along with your neighbors you shouldn't mind renouncing that citizenship. It will make us all feel better because we won't be wasting Canadian rights that we value on someone who rejects them in favour of United Nations declarations. They don't matter to you right? You don't even know what Canadian citizenship is so why don't you fill out our irrelevant Canadian paperwork to renounce it and then we will love you.

I promise.
geez. those rights listed there are part of the UN. of wich canada is a member and more than a wishlist. now as for the whole coming and going part, ever hear of right to travel witin the commonwealth? and no where in that right does it have a condition on ith that says citizens only.

dude, as i said, you are a one legged man in an ass kicking contest here. you still havent made the distinctions and so quickly forget all my other posts.
I knew a Canadian citizen once (I know, I know, you don't know what that is) who was denied entry into the U.K. because they didn't have a passport proving their citizenship. It seems that's kind of a common practice in countries around the world, and the UN doesn't seem to mind. Go figure.
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