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Conspiracy theorists weep, we did go to the moon!

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NASA have finally got a zoom lens big enough to photograph the landers from orbit, images posted today!

Apollo revealed

Now, is it me or did '16 have a lucky escape? Looks like they could have easily landed a couple of feet to the right and tipped into the crater the lander's shadow crosses.

Anyways, fascinating images (although it's all photoshopped, right?)!

Cheers, P.


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Why don't they just point the Hubble telescope at the moon and take a few shots?? Or did they and that was the best they could get?
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Why bother with the Hubble? From NASA's point of view, they are going to 'prove' something that is fact (and waste a whole lot of fuel re-aiming the 'scope) and from the point of view of the deniers, it'll be a photoshopped image anyways. Either you believe that it happened, or you don't. Although, in the internet age, it seems that any crackpot conspiracy theorist with a modem and laptop can have his viewpoint taken seriously :roll:
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I believe the moon is too close to focus on for Hubble.
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Actually the Hubble telescope does not have the resolution to see something as small as a LM on the moon. This according to the Astronomer Dr Phil Plait.
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I believe a healthy skepticism is very important in society. I guess I qualify as a conspiracy theorist for my skepticism with regards to the official story of 9/11 or JFKs assassination, or the justification for the Iraq war. But I guess no one believes the last one anymore.
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They went to the moon but no one brought back a t-shirt.... not much to back up the story in my opinion!
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I don't have to 'believe' something that actually happened. I know it!
It's like saying I 'believe' the earth is round! Or I 'believe' I was born!
It still leave this bit of uncertainty when there is not.

So I don't have to believe the moon landing because I know it happened :smt003
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Polikarpov wrote:Now, is it me or did '16 have a lucky escape? Looks like they could have easily landed a couple of feet to the right and tipped into the crater the lander's shadow crosses.
I saw an interview with Buzz Aldrin a little while ago discussing the Apollo 11 landing. He said when they started the de-orbit burn Neil Armstrong said immediately that they were going to be short of their landing spot. At the time he couldn't figure out how he knew that, but it seems the burn started a second or two too soon that Armstrong "felt" rather than "knew". Sure enough, the automatic landing was going to put them down short of where they intended to land into an uneven area strewn with rocks and obstacles that could have tipped over the lander, or made it impossible to lift off again. Armstrong disconnected the autopilot and manually flew the lander beyond the dangerous area to a spot that was suitable. They touched down with 30 seconds of fuel left.

Those guys had balls as big as houses.
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NASA "loses" or "accidentally" erases moon landing master tapes.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/ap_ ... moon_video
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Rockie wrote: I saw an interview with Buzz Aldrin a little while ago discussing the Apollo 11 landing. He said when they started the de-orbit burn Neil Armstrong said immediately that they were going to be short of their landing spot. At the time he couldn't figure out how he knew that, but it seems the burn started a second or two too soon that Armstrong "felt" rather than "knew". Sure enough, the automatic landing was going to put them down short of where they intended to land into an uneven area strewn with rocks and obstacles that could have tipped over the lander, or made it impossible to lift off again. Armstrong disconnected the autopilot and manually flew the lander beyond the dangerous area to a spot that was suitable. They touched down with 30 seconds of fuel left.

Those guys had balls as big as houses.
Definitely can't call myself educated in the astronaut department.

For an organization like NASA that seems like a very small margin for error. A healthy dose of skepticism is apparent right away here.

Even if it isn't true, it doesn't take away from the accomplishment. Hell the first people in space had big ones, with unknown effects of microgravity, radiation, and all the other crap we still don't know today.

Edit: Link, looks like my foot in my mouth yet again.
http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/ ... kraft.html
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NASA "loses" or "accidentally" erases moon landing master tapes.
I read that too and went WTH??? They were so short on funding they'd erase the tapes of the first landing on the moon? Conspiracy theorists unite, they actually photographed aliens!!!!
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GilletteNorth wrote: Conspiracy theorists unite, they actually photographed aliens!!!!
Now Gillette...would Neil and Buzz not be the aliens in that situation, and those they encountered native (perhaps) to the moon???? :lol:
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The OP will still be saying this 50 years from now. Technology now is 10x better than in the 60s but no one goes to the moon. Just how did they travel 235,000 miles in one week? Tell us. Show us the amazing technology that wold be required.

Dozens of dead Russian Cosmonauts will tell you there is no way to get up there alive.


Show me the pictures of all the star constellations as taken by someone standing on the moon.

There aren't any!!!

NASA is a private corporation funded by the govt. If you believe everything that you see on TV...
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Dash-Ate wrote: The OP will still be saying this 50 years from now. Technology now is 10x better than in the 60s but no one goes to the moon. Just how did they travel 235,000 miles in one week? Tell us. Show us the amazing technology that wold be required.

Dozens of dead Russian Cosmonauts will tell you there is no way to get up there alive.


Show me the pictures of all the star constellations as taken by someone standing on the moon.

There aren't any!!!

NASA is a private corporation funded by the govt. If you believe everything that you see on TV...
There was no point, since the race to the moon was won, to go back there. That's actually the reason why the US decided to cancel the Apollo Program. They proved they were more advanced technologically than the Russians which was the whole point of going there. We found a new interest in the last few years to go back, to build a resupply station for ships going to Mars. And we will go back. If there is a will, and a need, there is a way, and the Americans proved that with the Apollo program.

Dude, you have to get real and stop thinking everything on Earth is a hoax or a conspiracy. I bet you many people that saw the first picture of the Wright Flyer were also saying it's impossible and it's a hoax. It turned out to be very real, so much that you're making money off of it now. Because you cannot understand how it is possible doesn't mean it is not possible. There are far smarter people on Earth that you and I. And even if you studied a little bit about rockets and space travel, it is not that hard to send something very far into space, where you want it to go. Hell, they send a spaceship to take pictures of a planet billions of km away and make it on target, on time.
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IF THIS IS THE FIRST MAN WALKING ON THE MOON THEY WHO TOOK THIS PICTURE? ? WHo was already in place to take this photo?

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If you look at the picture's name, it says :

http://planetpooks.files.wordpress.com/ ... _full1.jpg[/u][/b]

AFAIK, Aldrin was the 2nd man on the moon, so Armstrong would have been taking the picture.
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Dash-Ate wrote: Show me the pictures of all the star constellations as taken by someone standing on the moon.

There aren't any!!!
For film cameras, a properly exposed moon shot with a 35mm SLR is around 1/60 f16 ASA100. For star photography, you have to open the shutter for several seconds at the widest aperture and I got the best results with higher speed film. This should answer your question.
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Dash-Ate wrote:The OP will still be saying this 50 years from now. Technology now is 10x better than in the 60s but no one goes to the moon. Just how did they travel 235,000 miles in one week? Tell us. Show us the amazing technology that wold be required.

Dozens of dead Russian Cosmonauts will tell you there is no way to get up there alive.


Show me the pictures of all the star constellations as taken by someone standing on the moon.

There aren't any!!!

NASA is a private corporation funded by the govt. If you believe everything that you see on TV...
4 Days to get to the moon actually. I beleive most hove the hardware can be seen at the Smithsonian. Constelations cannot be seen in the photos because they were in daylight. Sun was too bright to see the stars.

These questions and others are all answered here
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
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Dash-Ate, you should stop making a fool of yourself regarding Moon landing, you cannot be serious.
Please have a honest read with those links provided below. And the from start to the end:
http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/index.html

Especially this one.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/debating.html
Basically, pseudoscientists ignore huge gaping holes in their logic, and instead focus on small, niggling pieces that the debunker may not be familiar with. As I said above, when I write I go after the foundation of their claims, knowing the minor claims will fall away after the major ones are gone. But in a debate situation the pseudoscientists focus on the small claims, because in this way the real scientist can get bogged down in details. This way, the pseudoscientist can distract the listener from the real problems in their theory, and make it sound like they win. I have seen this countless times. Creationists are famous for it, for example.

So debating these people on the radio would be like digging a hole in water.
Now that you know the truth about Apollo, I leave Mars Phoenix landing to you. :smt003
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For me, the laser they have been bouncing off the moon every day for the last 40 years is enough. You don't even have to look at photos or technology, that is a simple, conclusive, empirical fact.
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The better pictures are the ones of the Apollo 14 landing site. You can see the foot paths between the lander and the instrument package. Apparently once the spacecraft is in its planned orbit, the images will have 3 times the resolution as these...

People that believed this never happened are the ones guiding society towards a future of failure by not dreaming big!
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Dash-Ate wrote:IF THIS IS THE FIRST MAN WALKING ON THE MOON THEY WHO TOOK THIS PICTURE?
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Dash-Ate wrote:The OP will still be saying this 50 years from now. Technology now is 10x better than in the 60s but no one goes to the moon. Just how did they travel 235,000 miles in one week? Tell us. Show us the amazing technology that wold be required.

Dozens of dead Russian Cosmonauts will tell you there is no way to get up there alive.


Show me the pictures of all the star constellations as taken by someone standing on the moon.

There aren't any!!!

NASA is a private corporation funded by the govt. If you believe everything that you see on TV...
I'll bet the Israelis are behind it!




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Where is 13?

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niss wrote:
Where is 13?
13 Didn't land. 14 landed where 13 would have landed at Fra Mauro.
Rockie wrote:
Polikarpov wrote:Now, is it me or did '16 have a lucky escape? Looks like they could have easily landed a couple of feet to the right and tipped into the crater the lander's shadow crosses.
I saw an interview with Buzz Aldrin a little while ago discussing the Apollo 11 landing. He said when they started the de-orbit burn Neil Armstrong said immediately that they were going to be short of their landing spot. At the time he couldn't figure out how he knew that, but it seems the burn started a second or two too soon that Armstrong "felt" rather than "knew". Sure enough, the automatic landing was going to put them down short of where they intended to land into an uneven area strewn with rocks and obstacles that could have tipped over the lander, or made it impossible to lift off again. Armstrong disconnected the autopilot and manually flew the lander beyond the dangerous area to a spot that was suitable. They touched down with 30 seconds of fuel left.

Those guys had balls as big as houses.
Small correction. They were actually going to land long. The way Armstrong knew about it, was that they had geographical points that they should pass over at a specific time. With the LEM face down during the initial stages of the Powered Decent burn they could look at the surface. He noticed they went by their 3 min point early and inferred they were going to land long.

If I can recall correctly, the reason for landing long was that they under estimated how long it took for the descent engine to throttle up once ignited. Something that either didn't happen or they missed on Apollo 10.

They also ended up actually having more fuel than the 30s. Although at the time they believed that was all that was remaining. They didn't properly account for fuel slosh in the tanks in the 1/6 gravity environment so the sensor under read. In later flights they installed extra baffles in the tank to prevent this.

I agree though, balls the size of houses.

Not so much from a piloting standpoint but from a controller standpoint check out what they had to do on Apollo 14 during powered descent.

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