Padding Logbook Results In One Year Licence Suspension

[Hedley]

I was sitting on the toilet today, reading the
COPA newspaper, and in the Enforcement listing
I see that a pilot got a 365 day licence suspension
for making SIX HUNDRED false entries in his logbook
of multi-engine aircraft - some of which he had
never even flown.

In the past here, people have asked what they
could get away with, with respect to logging
shady time.

There's your answer. Apart from the one year
timeout, this guy gets to spend the rest of his
life explaining why he had his licence suspended.

[aileron]

I was sitting on the toilet today, reading the
COPA newspaper..

[Brewguy]

Hedley, did we really need to know where you were doing your reading? Wouldn't it have been sufficient to say you were reading the COPA magazine and spare us the details?

[The Old Fogducker]

Makes for a great visual though ...

Too bad the Internet is still in its technological infancy and Hedley couldn't add a selected "scent file" from a drop-down menu to contribute to the "total immersion effect" of his post.

The Old Fogducker

[Sleeve of Wizard]

Hmm... I know a guy who fudged 600 multi PIC. Don't know how he made it work, but with all the pencil whipped hours, he flew 1800 hours in one year. He now has a pretty good job now too... I'm not at all bitter...

Makes you wonder how many people get away with it.

[2R]

Maybe he had an interview in YYC and need to pad it quickly

My log book shows FOUR moon landings ,and yet NASA still will not let me drive the space shuttle

[Widow]

I mentioned the same enforcement action in the Petition for "College of Professional Pilots"?

So much for professionalism, or Transport Canada's ability to "make it right" through enforcement.

[Liquid Charlie]

is that where your "nom de plume" comes from --

[trey kule]

My log book shows FOUR moon landings ,and yet NASA still will not let me drive the space shuttle

Try offering to pay for your PPC....

I dont usually revel in other peoples downfall, but I hope this is a trend that TC is going to continue to enforce, as those people who pad logbooks waste other people's time, take positions away from deserving people, and sometimes get themselves into positions where they bend metal and hurt others.
I personally know of three dead innocent people who were flown by a pilot who had pencil whipped his logbook and when push came to shove, couldnt fly the plane.

And while I am on this rant, how about some of the operators out there start checking a little deeper into people's claimed time.

someone posted about this pilot having to explain his suspension...do you really think this is the type of person who will actually state they had a suspension?

[Doc]

Just to play "Devil's Advocate" for a moment here. If he was "padding" the old log book to acquire a higher licence, then TC has a legit beef.
If he already has the licence, and he's padding for a job, how does anyone figure it's any or TC's business. Seems tome, it's up to the company the "jack-off" is applying to, to check his records against his references?
How is he "legally" in the wrong for keeping an inaccurate "diary"?
Compare the penalty to some other enforcement actions our twits at TC have pulled out of they're butts in the past?

[Hornblower]

There must be more to the story since padding your logbook is not a violation. Now using that time to support a false application for a higher licence would be.

In any case, he won't have to spend the rest of his life explaining, since he can ask for a record destruction after two years ( if he's a good boy). You could too Hedley, I just think you like having the record ... it is evidence of how you been abused by the system and has provided you with countless hours of enjoyment proclaiming your martyrdom.

[Hornblower]

oops ... Doc beat me to it

[Cat Driver]

I just think you like having the record ... it is evidence of how you been abused by the system and has provided you with countless hours of enjoyment proclaiming your martyrdom.

Lets leave the martyrdom out of Hedleys situation and ask a simple question.

How many here have no problem with TCCA denying some people their rights based on TC's own agenda?

[WayDownTown]

Ok I think I have just solved all our problems. No one here likes the idea of padding a log book, at least I hope we all don't. As well I think most people here feel that Catsa and the whole red pass thing is a bit of a joke. So why don't we merge the two of them. TC should make it a requirement that before and after each flight a Catsa representative must sign or stamp your flight sheet. The result of having Catsa sign off the pilot for the flight would be to verify that the person leaving with the plane is an actual pilot and that the plane is leaving on an actual trip. Then having Catsa signing the pilot back in would prove that the pilot actually did the trip and that no one other then the pilot actually landed the plane. Transport Canada would benefit from this because each trip would have to have two stamps or signatures proving that the trip had actually happened. Now I don't want to hi jack this forum with all the in's and outs of this but I think this could really work. We already deal with the RVOP, approach band, and approach minimums, so why not Catsa office hours. We could call it A.S.S. for Airport Security Signature. Just imagine as your coming in for an approach you would have to check the RCAP for the chart that decodes the hours of the Catsa office and if you aren't there during their posted business hours then you go missed. And what's safer then not actually landing the plane? We would also see more people employed, helping our economy, as every airport would require at least one catsa employee. And finally the amount of bureaucracy this would create would take what we already know to a whole new level.

[Carrier]

Quote: “TC should make it a requirement that before and after each flight a Catsa representative must sign or stamp your flight sheet. The result of having Catsa sign off the pilot for the flight would be to verify that the person leaving with the plane is an actual pilot and that the plane is leaving on an actual trip. Then having Catsa signing the pilot back in would prove that the pilot actually did the trip and that no one other then the pilot actually landed the plane.”

And the fee/rate/levy/charge/impost/tax/subscription/duty/excise/donation (or whatever fancy term they come up with) for each stamp/signature would be????????

Back off, WDT! Please don’t give those morons any more vindictive avaricious ideas. Even if you meant it as a joke they might be thick enough or cunning enough to take it seriously and impose yet more costs on both companies and individuals.

[Hedley]

countless hours of enjoyment proclaiming your martyrdom

Put down the crack pipe. I have spent years and years in
court fighting Transport. You think I enjoy wasting my
valuable time on this vengeful bureaucratic nonsense?

I'm back at it again this fall, arguing about why my airshow
team is "banned for life" from ever flying at another airshow
in Canada, ever again.

You think I like wasting my time, writing legal briefs?

You're a mechanic, right? Would you be happy if Transport
told you that even though you are qualified, they feel that
it is in the "public interest" for you to never, ever work
again in aviation in Canada? And that you have to leave
Canada if you ever want to work in aviation ever again?

Could someone please point me to the section in the
Aeronautics Act that empowers the Tower C jackboots
to disenfranchise citizens?

I can only apologize if these sorts of attacks by the
government of canada upon me and my family annoys
you. I actually obtained a Federal Court order "enjoining"
the Minister from this nonsense, and Transport just
ignores it, because they don't have to do what Federal
Court says.

Anyways. If you don't like what I write, you don't have
to read it.

[SeptRepair]

I have spent years and years in
court fighting Transport. You think I enjoy wasting my
valuable time on this vengeful bureaucratic nonsense?

Out of curiosity, how many times have you actually won your case/cases? As well, When you say vengeful, Is that as in TC is continually bringing you in front of the tribunal or are you the one continually taking TC to the tribunal? Who were you meaning when you said Vengeful?

[Hedley]

In court, I win some, and I lose some. However my
experience has been that when you win in court, it
is a Pyrrhic victory, because it just enrages the
bureaucracy all the more. It's tough to fight city
hall, because they have unlimited time and tax dollars
to fight you with.

Most people wouldn't bother fighting. I know guys
that have simply left the country, rather than fight
Transport endlessly. I will admit that I have a
disproportionate response to bullies. It's the Canadian
Way to bend over to every passing bully and to take
it quietly up the ass without complaint, but I guess I'm
not a very good Canadian.

[KAG]

I actually had a CP ask me to pad my log book by 250 multi PIC (asked me to offically lie for insurrance reasons) so he could hire me. I said no, refused the job, the company went under a short time later.

Short term gain, long term pain. It's not worth it.

[Cat Driver]

{1} CTV did an segment on the fraud{2} TC enforcement investigated it and were TOLD TO BACK OF BY THE HEAD OFFICE{3} OPP fraud squad investigated it AND WERE INSTRUCTED TO BACK OF{4} I submitted all the watertight evidence to the Ministry of Education, NO CHARGES LAID! The same Goverment of Ontario now wants to regulate flight schools! Me cynical? No way!

Clunk:

One can not be blamed for being cynical.

I had a situation that makes me believe that those at the top of the power structure have far more power than most realize.

Several years ago I was working with a journalist in a well known Canadian newspaper and he was putting together a story to expose how TCCA works at the top based on my documentation of wrongdoing by Preuss and Nowzek.

He also was looking at several other AOC owners here on the west coast who had been hammered into the ground by TCCA for purely political reasons with no cause for such actions.

Just about the time I was sure the journalist was ready to release the story in the newspaper I got a call from him informing me he was instructed to cease and desist on the story by his boss in the newspaper.

From that date on I could not get a reply from the journalist.

Cynical, ??

No not me.

[MDT]

Having spent a few years as an authorized person and later a licencing inspector I was constantly amazed at the willful fraud in licence applications. From the humurous logging of "passenger" time in a B737 to co-pilot time in single pilot aircraft, it never ended. Simply applying the smell test to any logbook entry would tell you should be entering. But the burning question that needs to be asked is, if you're willing to lie in your log book what else are you going to lie about? A hard landing? Engine over boost? Over gross? You have a serious character flaw and don't deserve to hold any position of responsibility. A years suspension? That might be the least of your concerns. Wait till the lawyers get a hold of your log book.

Mike Tomm

[Donald]

Did you notice the date of the infraction for the license padder? It was Dec 29, 2000. So either the investigation was quite slow, or it just proves that eventually something like this can catch up to you.

Incidentally, in March there was this as well:

Ontario June 1, 2007 A.A. 7.3 1A


A.A. 7.3 1A 180 days licence suspension

180 days licence suspension

A private pilot applying for a commercial licence made false entries in his pilot’s logbook in an attempt to increase his total flying hours. The individual was sanctioned with a licence suspension totalling 360 days.

[Brewguy]

Now this is going back quite a few years, but I recall reading (in the COPA paper) about another farce of an enforcement action.

Can't recall the specific details, but it was something about a guy flying commercially without a pilots license (i.e. did not have a license of any kind). The enforcement action was a license suspension.

Again, this was years ago. Would be interested if anyone else recalls this or has a link. I believe it was in Quebec.

[MDT]

Clunck,

There was a recent survey taken of university business students that revealed that most felt that it was OK to cheat on assignments and exams. Is it any wonder that we're in a financial melt down? That and we seem to glorify lying and cheating in the orgy of reality TV. Great! 2 hours to my medical and my blood pressure's up. Medicinal Gin anyone?

[Hedley]

most felt that it was OK to cheat

With Prime Ministers like William Lyin' Mackenzie King,
Brian Mulroney and Jean Cretin - all of whom should
have gone to jail for what they each did as PM - is it
any wonder?

Quite seriously, why could anyone reasonably expect
people to be more ethical and moral than their supposed
leaders?