Way to go Jetsgo

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:40 am

People leaving isn't going to be a surprise to anyone with a brain. Regardless as to how much people defend Jetsgo the company just isn't set up to keep people around and that's the way it is- the payscale tops out after 3 years!! I mean come on how long is someone going to sit around making a MAXIMUM of $76,800 for the rest of their lives when every other airline jet operator out there beats that by at least 30%? Get in, get your jet time, get out is how everyone, Leblanc AND the pilots know its gonna be.
People say they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for pilots now because of the bond. Well, not really when you consider they are (were) one of 2 airlines hiring when they started up in '02. People did what they had to for work. When they truly WILL be scraping the bottom of the barrel is with those that stay for longer than 3 yrs as a Captain, and those that still choose to work there when Air Canada, Westjet, Skyservice, Zoom, Harmony, Canadian North, First Air, Transat, Jazz, Flightcraft, ACE, and Cargojet are also hiring. Which, with the exception of AC, First Air, and Transat is currently happening right now. So yes those that joined 2 yrs ago were spineless morons with no regard to the long term consequenses of the conditions they agreed to, but they weren't necessarily bad pilots. Next year though? Watch out for those guys....

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:14 pm

The payscale has been negotiated one year at a time and year 4 and 5 is currently being worked out, so get the facts straight before you pipe up.
The third year was only added last year and since no one had been at SG more than 2 years at that time they left it at that! Even now no one has been at SG for 3 years.
Do you think the other airlines had 10 and twenty year payscales from day one? Then you're an idiot. If you have been in the industry long enough you would realize that labour contracts evolve over time.
You are never going to get rich flying for SG but I can guarantee that the payscale will improve and more levels will be added.

... · Post by **...** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:34 pm

Rubberbiscuit wrote: ...Even now no one has been at SG for 3 years...

Believe me I am NOT picking a fight with this reply...but I think I figured it out.

I think I understand you and pimper. You are not defending your beloved JetsGo...you are defending your obvious mistake by signing up. At the time, desperate times called for desperate measures hence the 30K you paid out.

However you paid more than that my friend, the working conditions you have been subjected to have aged you. All the long working hours are stress the crews were under (AND DON'T DENY IT) have taken a piece of your life.

And now, you endorse it to other pilots thinking of buying into "Livin' the 705 jet dream" with this shady snake in the grass named 'Mike The White'?

Do you think it's time to admit it...you were wrong and it wasn't worth the stretch?

Your colleague 'pimper' admitted it...he'll be out as soon as he gets a call...yet he defended JetsGo to the death with me and others. But really, he was defending his embarrassment that he made a mistake...we all do...even I have in the past.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:37 pm

BD, I gotta hand it to you, that hurt my ribs! Not laughing @ you, but the post.....you are just dying to hear a SG driver say "I f&@$#^% hate my job".

As for copied quote......well every company out there started somewhere, sometime. I belive that goes without saying.

As for making a mistake, it's a few years to early to tell. As my good friend once said. " it takes 10 years to know if any career desicion in aviation was a good or bad one". Meaning: Even if Leblanc closed the doors tomorrow I am probably further ahead than I would have been staying where I was for alot of reasons.
Right now I love my job. Sure I work alot, but it is self inflicted since you are not obligated to work days off. Some days are long, others are short.
Besides, the company tell's you upfront in the interview to expect long days and lot's of flying.
It is still the best/easiest job I have had as a pilot. I don't fuel, load luggage/cargo, flightplan or spend much time out in the elements anymore, and trust me after ten years in the bush that is how I like it!
If I wan't coffee or food it is only a button push away as is a trip to the lavatory

I know there are better paying, cushier jobs out there but I have nothing to complain about. I fly an awesome plane to some great places and no day is evere the same. I work with a fantastic group of people, but most importantly, I get to see my wife and kids almost every day! Not to many jobs at this level can offer that. The only overnights you do are two day pairings and the bulk of them are split duty, go to work late afternoon and be home by midmorning the next day type of overnights. If you don't wan't them you can request it and and you'll spend even less nights away from the family.
I've seen enough hotels. The hotel life got boring a long time ago and I'd sooner sleep in my own bed any night.
I'm not suggesting that I'll retire at SG, but for now I am perfectly happy.

... · Post by **...** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:01 pm

Rubberbiscuit wrote:BD, I gotta hand it to you, that hurt my ribs! Not laughing @ you, but the post.....you are just dying to hear a SG driver say "I f&@$#^% hate my job".

Foiled again

pimper · Post by **pimper** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:33 pm

BD lay off the Booze. I never said I hated my job, I actually really enjoy it. I gave it two years to start to improve and it hasn't. As far as sched and life style go the MD is great. I am working 12-14 days a month. I would gladly stay at SG if a few things changed, but they don't seem to be changing no matter what I do...so I will change..jobs that is.

Stop trying to read between lines that don't exist, and stop tying to be the "pilot saviour." You give yourself WAY to much credit.

Sorry BD I missed page one of the thread. Yes it snows, yes the trees only catch fire for so many months...but how can you talk about being a great employer when you promote unemployment. Your boss makes lots off of the contract, the pilots don't. I think it is bullshit that my taxes go to pay your pilots during the winter months. It is the COST OF DOING BUSINESS. You are a hypocrit and you are full of shit.

corn-shoot · Post by **corn-shoot** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:57 pm

pimper wrote: Stop trying to read between lines that don't exist, and stop tying to be the "pilot saviour." ... I think it is bullshit that my taxes go to pay your pilots during the winter months.

So...you pay for your flying, AND birddog's?

Wow you really THROW YOUR MONEY around in aviation, don't you? Screw birddog, you're my saviour.

pimper · Post by **pimper** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:16 pm

And to think the brain cells behind that post keep an airplane upright. My vote is for cornshoot to be the poster boy for aviation safety.

... · Post by **...** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:48 pm

pimper wrote:BD lay off the Booze. I never said I hated my job, I actually really enjoy it. I gave it two years to start to improve and it hasn't. As far as sched and life style go the MD is great. I am working 12-14 days a month. I would gladly stay at SG if a few things changed, but they don't seem to be changing no matter what I do...so I will change..jobs that is.

Stop trying to read between lines that don't exist, and stop tying to be the "pilot saviour." You give yourself WAY to much credit.

Sorry BD I missed page one of the thread. Yes it snows, yes the trees only catch fire for so many months...but how can you talk about being a great employer when you promote unemployment. Your boss makes lots off of the contract, the pilots don't. I think it is bullshit that my taxes go to pay your pilots during the winter months. It is the COST OF DOING BUSINESS. You are a hypocrit and you are full of shit.

Did I hit a nerve...again?

Common grumpy...snap out of it!!!!

corn-shoot · Post by **corn-shoot** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:21 pm

He is in a zombie-like trance. A once educated man, now under a green shield of stupidity, we can measure his tenure at Jetsgo by the length of slack in his jaw.

"Ever see that scene in scanners right before the dude's head blew up?"

DA900 · Post by **DA900** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 6:33 pm

Is that Peter Parker?

pimper · Post by **pimper** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 7:06 pm

Actually you could probably measure my tenure by the black rings under my eyes.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:19 am

you do know that pimper is my alter-ego, right? Sorry for any confusion...

//walks off muttering to himself about being barefoot in the head and needing to talk to the killer bees before the railway goes under and he has to swing from branch to branch to get the chicken nuggets.

corn-shoot · Post by **corn-shoot** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:46 am

You're craaaaazy man, and I love that about you!

DA900 · Post by **DA900** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:46 am

Sulako wrote:you do know that pimper is my alter-ego, right? Sorry for any confusion...

//walks off muttering to himself about being barefoot in the head and needing to talk to the killer bees before the railway goes under and he has to swing from branch to branch to get the chicken nuggets.

and Spiderman!WOW

....... · Post by **.......** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:42 am

pimper wrote:When you thank the pilots at Royal who kept the bond out even though the owner was getting screwed by PPC jumping pilots then you can talk to me.

How can the owner not be "screwed by PPC jumping" as you say, when the owner pays s**t? When you pay well and offer decent working conditions, you don't have to charge for a PPC 'cos your pilots won't leave!
(and don't try me, I've worked for Royal)

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:49 pm

Skylounger

C mon man, you are starting to make sense. Airline bosses don't like that.

pimper · Post by **pimper** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:31 pm

"you do know that pimper is my alter-ego, right? Sorry for any confusion...

//walks off muttering to himself about being barefoot in the head and needing to talk to the killer bees before the railway goes under and he has to swing from branch to branch to get the chicken nuggets."

Oddly enough I like being pimper much more. Pimper doesn't have to live off the proceeds of first choice hair cutters. Pimper doesn't have to create alter avcanada identies to make himself feel better. Pimper openly admits where he works and that he paid the owner cash to sit there, unlike the alter ego Saluko. Pimper doesn't feel the need to add pathetic "art" at the bottom of his posts. Pimper never starts things he can't finish. Pimper doesn't PM others at AvCanada when he gets mad.

"How can the owner not be "screwed by PPC jumping" as you say, when the owner pays s**t? When you pay well and offer decent working conditions, you don't have to charge for a PPC 'cos your pilots won't leave!
(and don't try me, I've worked for Royal) "

I would love to have a much bigger pay cheque and better working conditions. Out of curiosity how many PPC's did you take with you from royal? I don't remember the working conditions or pay being substandard their either. One of the main reasons we have the 30G is because pilots left royal before the ink was dry. If these pilots didn't want to work their why did they screw it up for everyone else? We litteraly had pilots join us back then who were already medical'd and sim'd at AC and they took the job at royal anyway. Hopefully your not one of those pilots.

Cheers

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:31 pm

pimper wrote: Oddly enough I like being pimper much more. Pimper doesn't have to live off the proceeds of first choice hair cutters. Pimper doesn't have to create alter avcanada identies to make himself feel better. Pimper openly admits where he works and that he paid the owner cash to sit there, unlike the alter ego Saluko. Pimper doesn't feel the need to add pathetic "art" at the bottom of his posts. Pimper never starts things he can't finish. Pimper doesn't PM others at AvCanada when he gets mad.

First Choice Haircutters? I'm hardly the first choice; if you ever have the good fortune to meet me you'll see what I mean

For what it's worth, I have never, ever posted under any name but "Sulako". I guess I'm too egotistical (or deluded) to want to change identities, and I also think I can fight my own battles.

My sig (the 'art' at the bottom of my posts) was made for me by a pal on another board years ago. We both know it's simply awesome, with the light and the mountains and the little tiny people pointing at the sky. Shall I have him make you one too? You seem envious...

I pm'ed you once a while back, when you were having a tantrum about my posting medevac stories on here. You sick little monkey, you made some awful post about my girlfriend being gang-raped and I felt that needed a little personal attention. Keep in mind that what I said then still applies now, and feel free to post it here if you want.

Anyway, here we go again, arguing on the internet. I try to stay away, but your lack of humor and general funk just makes me wanna go at it again, like picking a scab even when it's not itching. That's a weakness on my part, I will admit.

Not just in this post, but reading through all your posts, you honestly sound like you don't like yourself and that's too bad. I hope that in your personal life you have people who can see some good things in you and value you as a person. I'm not sure if that's here though

//wanders off to eat a sandwich and watch Lost on tv.

... · Post by **...** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:45 pm

pimper wrote: You own me? I'll get to that at the bottom of the post.

You never answered me on the other string..so I will try it again...what do you do with your pilots after the summer is over? Do you tell them they can go on EI? Do you fill out the forms for them? I can't believe you have spouted off for so long about being honest, being a great employer, standing up against dirty boses, etc etc etc when you are one yourself.

Sounds like you’re losing a firm grip on reality my friend...

pimper wrote: You litteraly entice pilots from other jobs for twin time. You use them for the summer then you discard them till you need them again. You pay shit then you send them off to the EI line. I'm also sure the MNR would like to know that half of the pilots you hire don't meet the minimum qualifications to transport ministry staff. I have also wondered why the MOH hasn't put a restriction on centre line thrust. The moment they do that is the moment your applications will stop.

You fell short of any facts and are showing a new level to your ignorance and lack of credibility to yourself. In fact I would tread very careful here...

pimper wrote: You own me....you like to tell others that you own a penthouse in toronto, you like to tell others that you own a landrover, you like to tell others about your wonderfull vacations but you can't seem to pay your employees what they are worth....you don't own jack let alone pimper...go preach somewhere else.

You must have me mistaken for someone that owns the company.

Here's a 411 for ya..again...

The properties that I own or the vehicles that I drive aren't because of aviation. Like I said before, I fly for fun...my livin' large lifestyle is supplied by other avenues of income.

I hope that helps a bit more...I'll let you go to bed because I guess you got to get up at 3am for the 6am departure huh...?

You know Pimper...the day will come when we will be on the same side of reason. When Open Sky's sends thousands of Canadian pilots to the EI line...However by then it will be too late to debate anything...nor will it matter who was right or who was wrong.

The only thing we can agree on is that people like yourself did a good job of degrading the airline industry when it was still somewhat healthy and still salvageable...but chose to pollute it instead...nice work everyone...nice work.

mental vomit · Post by **mental vomit** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:51 pm

Pimper, I'm with you...

Any company that has gone through 3 family generations, has pilots that stay on for decades, DOES NOT charge for training and do not bond litte shit pilots like you: They've got to go. We can't have legitimate companies in this industry making Jetsgo look bad. You make yourself look very foolish when you put down a company with as strong of a reputation as HL. Why don't you ask some guys that have been flying since the 40's and 50's about Hicks and Lawrence...see what you get into. Then ask them all about jets go. They won't have any clue what your little rat piss 35$ ticket air carrier is.

Now I'm sensing a major "short man's syndrome" here, because you're very up tight and on the defensive 24-7.

Boeing is probably your best bet for finding a booster seat in the Md-80...because you are a wee, little man.

....... · Post by **.......** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 11:03 pm

pimper wrote:
Out of curiosity how many PPC's did you take with you from royal? I don't remember the working conditions or pay being substandard their either. One of the main reasons we have the 30G is because pilots left royal before the ink was dry. If these pilots didn't want to work their why did they screw it up for everyone else? We litteraly had pilots join us back then who were already medical'd and sim'd at AC and they took the job at royal anyway. Hopefully your not one of those pilots.

Cheers

I took none 'cos I was an s/o at the time taking home roughly the same amount as on UI (21000/year)

F/Os were being paid 31680, and Capts 51800, if that's not substandard...

As for the AC guys that worked there, they were all on layoff and as soon as AC called back, they we're gone... Somebody must have known that would happen...!!!