I would like to start a fund to aid all JetsGo pilots and their families especially those that just started.
I will be asking the Admin @ Avcanada to the primary holder of the funds as donations come in.
Anyone have any thoughts on how best and efficient potential funds can be distributed?
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JetsGo Pilot Fund
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JetsGo Pilot Fund
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Jaques Strappe
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Look, I sympathize with them but how about a fund for those of us who didn't buy jet time?
I know that sounds callous, but I think it was pretty clearly understood by every pilot who signed on there that they were taking a risk. It really is too bad how things worked out, but the people went into it with their eyes open.
I know that sounds callous, but I think it was pretty clearly understood by every pilot who signed on there that they were taking a risk. It really is too bad how things worked out, but the people went into it with their eyes open.
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Flying Low
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When you walk into a casino go in with the understanding that you will lose everything you bet. The same attitude should probably be used when working in aviation.
NEVER BET MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE!
NEVER BET MORE THAN YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOSE!
"The ability to ditch an airplane in the Hudson does not qualify a pilot for a pay raise. The ability to get the pilots, with this ability, to work for 30% or 40% pay cuts qualifies those in management for millions in bonuses."
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Expatriated
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I spent a short 6 months with them before jumping ship and leaving my 30 grand with "Mike The White" as they were by far the worst company i've evered flown for. The stress and embarasement wasn't worth my money. I just can't understand how nobody else who worked there saw this comming?? Nonetheless...
Fortunately I landed another job to pay for the afformentioned 30 grand.
Not sure about a fund persay, but I do agree that as fellow aviators we all have to accomodate any pilot that's been layed off from any airline. After all, we're all in the same business.
I know i'll be taking in resumes from some of the guys I flew with over there as well as paying for the beers for the next few months!
Good luck to all....
Fortunately I landed another job to pay for the afformentioned 30 grand.
Not sure about a fund persay, but I do agree that as fellow aviators we all have to accomodate any pilot that's been layed off from any airline. After all, we're all in the same business.
I know i'll be taking in resumes from some of the guys I flew with over there as well as paying for the beers for the next few months!
Good luck to all....
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Speed Indeed
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are you kidding me?
Not that I want anyone out on the street, but why dont we start a fund for all those guys that bought PPC's at regencey as well and didnt get paid. i mean why shouldnt we, how is jetsgo any fucking different? is it beause their ppcs were so costly that we should start a fund for them. give me a break. how about a fund for all those pilots working for below minimum wage, how about a sympathy fund for all those pilots working for asshole bosses. they new the risk and chose to pay the 30K, no one forced them. give me a break
Still trying to figure if Birddog's serious about this one. I didn't see his plea for a Skyward fund. Were Bearskin pilots laid off recently too?Maybe I wasn't looking hard enough. I'm pretty new on this site. Maybe I'll mull it over today and check it out tonight.
Everything comes in threes....
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Holy Magenta
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Bird Dog were you being sarcastic??
For sure we all hate to see anyone lose a job in this tight rope industry. It makes it tough on all of us when we get the mass saturation of pilots and not enough jobs to accomodate. And basic humanity, I hate to see guys and gals get the shaft when they are trying to make it in this industry. But I really hope this drives home that pilots SHOULD NOT BUY PPCs. Whether its 5000$ or 30000$, its just bad! If the fact that its bad for our wages and company loyalty isn't reason enough, then maybe the fact that its more risky than buying long shot stocks with the industry in such perilous times.
Out of curiousity how many pilots were employed at jets go?? Heck if there are 100 pilots out there with 30, 000 to throw at a questionable carrier, why don't they buy themselves a job by forming a co-op company or something. 3,000,000 should be enough of a down payment to get a substancial loan and startup some kind of company. I'd rather see pilots do that, at least its for themselves and then they have stake in a company.
For sure we all hate to see anyone lose a job in this tight rope industry. It makes it tough on all of us when we get the mass saturation of pilots and not enough jobs to accomodate. And basic humanity, I hate to see guys and gals get the shaft when they are trying to make it in this industry. But I really hope this drives home that pilots SHOULD NOT BUY PPCs. Whether its 5000$ or 30000$, its just bad! If the fact that its bad for our wages and company loyalty isn't reason enough, then maybe the fact that its more risky than buying long shot stocks with the industry in such perilous times.
Out of curiousity how many pilots were employed at jets go?? Heck if there are 100 pilots out there with 30, 000 to throw at a questionable carrier, why don't they buy themselves a job by forming a co-op company or something. 3,000,000 should be enough of a down payment to get a substancial loan and startup some kind of company. I'd rather see pilots do that, at least its for themselves and then they have stake in a company.
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How bout silly little jets go bracelets right next to the Tsunami ones on the counters in 7-11. Maybe Walmart will have a day of "would you like to add a dollar to your total to help support jets go victims". Sorry your out of work people, but by spending 30K you willingly bought a non redeamable piece of a company and brought the entire industry a little further down with you. A hard lesson learned, lets not repeat it.
I think I've got my answer. BD's not looking for a donation fund. He's secretly surveying the number of replies on this thread as a factor of time and deducting how many unemployed pilots with free time are on avcanada just wasting the day away because they have no cash to do anything with. It's been an hour just on this thread alone!! And it's the most useless topic ever!!!! And I've made three posts 
Everything comes in threes....
I really do feel for these guys, especially the ones with mortgages and kids who took out loans to get the 30K.
But they gambled big, and they lost big.
They could just as easily have won big, in which case I don't think they would have shared all their profit with the rest of us.
If I spend $30,000 in Lotto tickets and Lose, will you guys set up a fund for me?
But they gambled big, and they lost big.
They could just as easily have won big, in which case I don't think they would have shared all their profit with the rest of us.
If I spend $30,000 in Lotto tickets and Lose, will you guys set up a fund for me?
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DeskDriver
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Spot on mate!The fund already exists, it's called EI and distribution is already taken care of.
How about a fund for low time pilots who have 40 grand in Student Loans and are working the ramp in Yellowknife. Or how about a fund for non-pilots who suffer mental illness and are homeless. Or better still, how about a fund for children orphaned by the tsunami.
Bird Dog, I like ya man, but you're off base on this one.
You've finally made it in Aviation when you nolonger work in a city which begins with Fort, Port, Prince, or Saint. Or leave aviation and stay in a Fort.
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He can't be.
First and foremost, I feel for every person at Jetsgo that are without income right now. Kids to feed, wives to support, mortgages, car payments, etc. I wish todays events on no one.
I am sorry that the flight crews lost their $30K, but at the same time I'm sorry for the guy that made $10 an hour working the gate to pay for his shitty ass bachelor pad that has absolutely zero now. At least SOME of the flight crews make enough to build a small rainy day fund (lord knows you need one in this biz), but there are many that live hand to mouth and are going to be in real trouble as well.
I have my own opinions on the $30K Buy a Job program, but since none of them are positive I will simply refrain from stating them.
Best of luck to all affected.
I am sorry that the flight crews lost their $30K, but at the same time I'm sorry for the guy that made $10 an hour working the gate to pay for his shitty ass bachelor pad that has absolutely zero now. At least SOME of the flight crews make enough to build a small rainy day fund (lord knows you need one in this biz), but there are many that live hand to mouth and are going to be in real trouble as well.
I have my own opinions on the $30K Buy a Job program, but since none of them are positive I will simply refrain from stating them.
Best of luck to all affected.
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BobzYurUnkl
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Wasn't the last add campaign for Jets-go
"Pay-a-lot, fly-a-little"
or were my David-Clarks a bit to tight while playing FlightSim 84!
Although I hope these guys (and girls) find work on a flight deck soon, but, is there any reall incentive for Jets-go to start-up again. I am sure the Milton and the others (speaking only of management) wanted to come through CCAA, but why would ML. His (and others?) money is in the bank. Give it a year, start a new airline, new name, and new training bonds. All shall be forgotten, and there will be a line up of pax, wanting to pay for a McHappy flight for $9.99 to YYC. There will also be an equal size line-up of pilots, willing to pay, or sign another bond for a couple hundred hours in a jet.
And thus the cycle shall continue until we are all paying for the privilege of being a "professional" Pilot.......
"Pay-a-lot, fly-a-little"
or were my David-Clarks a bit to tight while playing FlightSim 84!
Although I hope these guys (and girls) find work on a flight deck soon, but, is there any reall incentive for Jets-go to start-up again. I am sure the Milton and the others (speaking only of management) wanted to come through CCAA, but why would ML. His (and others?) money is in the bank. Give it a year, start a new airline, new name, and new training bonds. All shall be forgotten, and there will be a line up of pax, wanting to pay for a McHappy flight for $9.99 to YYC. There will also be an equal size line-up of pilots, willing to pay, or sign another bond for a couple hundred hours in a jet.
And thus the cycle shall continue until we are all paying for the privilege of being a "professional" Pilot.......
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Well, Jetsgo is I think Mr Leblancs third or fourth time in recievership, any pilot who was foolish enough to give him thirty grand must belive in miracles, as must the West Jet employees who rather than work for an industry standard wage acept shares in a company which had 200series 737s on the books at about five times market value! hence thier less than rosy financials these days! As one with over fifty years in the field , both as an employee and owner I hope before I go to that big airfield in the sky I will live to see pilots behaving like profesionals and stop shooting themselves in the foot to get a job!
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Jaques Strappe
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RG, with us not being in the shoes of those guys that took the leap of faith it is hard to fairly critique what they did.
Do I agree with their choice, no. Perhaps if at the start of Jetsgo everyone refused to pay Michel would have still started the airline but waived the $30K. I mean, if no one paid he would have had to forgo it to get the airline up. But, some bit on it and precident was set.
BUT.... None of us were in their shoes. Some guys that I know were just laid off from Canada 3000 the fall prior and gone through a hard winter without a job. Mortgages and families to support without doing what they invested countless hours in training themselves for. So, perhaps out of desperation they take the gamble, take the second mortgage, and get a steady income once again.
I'm not saying it's right, but I dont think anyone who didnt put their 30K in can claim a holier-than-thou attitude over these guys.
I don't know... I just try and imagine what a lot of these guys were going through at the time, and sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. I'd like to say I wouldnt have done the same thing at the time, but I wasn't in the same plight as them.
I'm not saying have a bleeding heart for these guy, but I also not saying critique them for their choice. Simply support them during what is going to be a very tough time for them.
Flame away if you must, I just it's not the time or place to be slamming people over decission they made.
Do I agree with their choice, no. Perhaps if at the start of Jetsgo everyone refused to pay Michel would have still started the airline but waived the $30K. I mean, if no one paid he would have had to forgo it to get the airline up. But, some bit on it and precident was set.
BUT.... None of us were in their shoes. Some guys that I know were just laid off from Canada 3000 the fall prior and gone through a hard winter without a job. Mortgages and families to support without doing what they invested countless hours in training themselves for. So, perhaps out of desperation they take the gamble, take the second mortgage, and get a steady income once again.
I'm not saying it's right, but I dont think anyone who didnt put their 30K in can claim a holier-than-thou attitude over these guys.
I don't know... I just try and imagine what a lot of these guys were going through at the time, and sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. I'd like to say I wouldnt have done the same thing at the time, but I wasn't in the same plight as them.
I'm not saying have a bleeding heart for these guy, but I also not saying critique them for their choice. Simply support them during what is going to be a very tough time for them.
Flame away if you must, I just it's not the time or place to be slamming people over decission they made.
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In response to:
"RG, with us not being in the shoes of those guys that took the leap of faith it is hard to fairly critique what they did"
"I'm not saying it's right, but I dont think anyone who didnt put their 30K in can claim a holier-than-thou attitude over these guys. "
Bottom line, they paid for their PPC's. In doing so it fucks the whole industry. Damn straight i can claim a holier than thou attitude because I have never paid for my PPC nor will i ever. I could give two shits on how someone justified it, this is impossible. By no means do i want people unemployed with families and kids, however, there is no situation worth justifying buying PPC's. I think its safe to say most people know how volatile this industry is and its sounds heartless but dont cry to me if you get fucked we all choose our path knowing the possible consequences. We are the only ones responsible for our actions.
"RG, with us not being in the shoes of those guys that took the leap of faith it is hard to fairly critique what they did"
"I'm not saying it's right, but I dont think anyone who didnt put their 30K in can claim a holier-than-thou attitude over these guys. "
Bottom line, they paid for their PPC's. In doing so it fucks the whole industry. Damn straight i can claim a holier than thou attitude because I have never paid for my PPC nor will i ever. I could give two shits on how someone justified it, this is impossible. By no means do i want people unemployed with families and kids, however, there is no situation worth justifying buying PPC's. I think its safe to say most people know how volatile this industry is and its sounds heartless but dont cry to me if you get fucked we all choose our path knowing the possible consequences. We are the only ones responsible for our actions.
