No more Age 60 forced Retirement at Air Canada ???

[Rubberbiscuit]

Rubberbiscuit:

I have flown with 45 year old captains and a lot of guys even younger that have no business being in the pointy end of an airliner.......both those guys that flew a couple hundred clicks while on lavalife were both under 60......how do you figure that?

...and they have both lost their licences and careers. Maybe they will be more successful if they say that not allowing personal electronics on the flight deck is discriminatory. In Canada that would get them their jobs back. Inattention and negligence is not directly related to the age discrimination theory.

I am talking about slowed reaction times, bad hearing (missing most radio calls), and even trouble reading charts for one particular induvidual. Don't know how medical was passed. Maybe he went to the same doctor for decades and they became friends, and the same doctor did not have the heart to pull his medical.... no idea.

[AMM]

Maybe he went to the same doctor for decades and they became friends, and the same doctor did not have the heart to pull his medical.... no idea.

What a disturbing thought. Rather plausible too.

[DocAV8R]

International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) 12/09/2006 01:46 PM
http://www.icao.int/cgi/goto_m.pl?/icao/en/new.htm Page 1 of 11
AN-WP/8074

APPENDIX B
COMMENTS OF STATES AND INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
IN RESPONSE TO STATE LETTER AN 5/16.1-05/17
REFERENCE: Attachment A, pages A-2 and A-3
STATES AND INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS' COMMENTS
Agreement with comments

Canada

Canada is in agreement with comments.
Canada would like to see the age restriction removed entirely as the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Article 15, makes limitations based purely on age, discriminatory. Canada currently does not curtail the privileges of pilots who have attained their 60th birthday. Canada has no objections to pilots who are 60 years of age or older, holding a medically valid ICAO Contracting State licence, from flying foreign registered aircraft within Canadian airspace.

Canada would like to bring your attention to the inconsistency between 2.1.10.1 and 2.1.10.2. In paragraph 2.1.10.2 it appears there is a technical error. In order to be a co-pilot, one must fly a two-crew aircraft. Therefore, the reference to 60 years should not apply as one cannot act as co-pilot unless there is a pilot-in-command. Canada recommends the following wording:
2.1.10.2 Recommendation. — A Contracting State, having issued pilots licences, should not permit the holders thereof to act as a co-pilot of an aircraft engaged in international commercial air transport operations if the licence holders have attained their 65th birthday.

This amendment will not change the fact that Canada has filed a difference to 2.1.10.

[Rockie]

Just got my ACPA age 60 update yesterday. Our union is still keeping up the fight to prevent 60+ in oblivious disregard for reality and the best interests of the pilot group.

Don't they read newspapers? Does Stephen Harper himself have to attend an MEC meeting to tell them the government is changing the law and it's over?

[ACAV8R]

I`m all for delaying it like ACPA and Air Canada are doing. Let the guys on the property get into better seats and the guys fighting for past 60 to drift off far into retirement before it actually takes affect. After all they are doing it for the common good and not greed.

[Rockie]

I`m all for delaying it like ACPA and Air Canada are doing.

That's because you are not considering the cost we will all pay by doing so.

[ACAV8R]

I doubt it will be retro.

[Rockie]

I doubt it will be retro.

You doubt? Or you know?

I don't think it will be retro prior to August 28th, 2009 either (last decision by HRTC) although I believe there will have to be some kind of settlement. I could be wrong though. But after that date every single guy we shove out the door will have the right to return if they want. Not only are we delaying that, but we continue to shove guys out the door making it even worse.

[ACAV8R]

Rockie,
I won't pretend to know the answers however been around long enough to have seen or can guess the outcome. Cheers, take care!
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