Enerjet

[rightseatwonder]

Rumor alert!!!

I heard that they might be placing an A/C somewhere on extended contract.
Anyone hear grumbling like that?

rumor only.

[ziggy]

Yep heard that yesterday as well. Doing some flying between a couple cities in the middle east I heard. have fun with that.

[hotwings56]

Yep heard that yesterday as well. Doing some flying between a couple cities in the middle east I heard. have fun with that.

That actually sounds like a pretty good time to me. Done a lot of that type of work over the years..as long as your job is with a Canadian company and you get to come home eventually I'm sure it will be a great adventure...

[jinky]

SO then what happened to the whole idea of workforce transportation? Obviously that's not busy...
They got to be going through seed money like mad...wonder how much longer till they go under? I mean if you can't keep two airplanes busy...you got to wonder....

[hotwings56]

SO then what happened to the whole idea of workforce transportation? Obviously that's not busy...
They got to be going through seed money like mad...wonder how much longer till they go under? I mean if you can't keep two airplanes busy...you got to wonder....

The workforce transportation is alive and well?..it's coming back slowly and things look good going forward I've heard. The stuff overseas IS workforce transportation, they're keeping it quiet from what I've been told. I know a lot of people at Enerjet, they have a great product and they appear to have weathered the storm, I for one am happy to see things turn around for them..

[palebird]

I have nothing against Enerjet but...come on the storm has only just begun..they are obviously looking for cash flow and will go wherever they can get it to stay alive..good luck..

[Say Altitude]

SO then what happened to the whole idea of workforce transportation? Obviously that's not busy...
They got to be going through seed money like mad...wonder how much longer till they go under? I mean if you can't keep two airplanes busy...you got to wonder....

The workforce transportation is alive and well?..it's coming back slowly and things look good going forward I've heard. The stuff overseas IS workforce transportation, they're keeping it quiet from what I've been told. I know a lot of people at Enerjet, they have a great product and they appear to have weathered the storm, I for one am happy to see things turn around for them..

The Middle East stuff is the worst kept secret out there. Whether it happens or not who knows - either way jinky is right - they totally $hit the bed on their big plan to dominate the "workplace transportation" market.

I'd be curious to know Hotwings56 what exactly is so "good" that they are looking forward to for workforce transportation? They haven't signed a single new contract and the one they did have was, according to speculation, cancelled during the last down turn when the client mothballed their project - which leaves nothing except for some occasional ad hoc work and the 1-2 trips a week for AT. Just a math equation at this point - cash in the bank minus cash going out equals months to shut down.

[jinky]

Ya I have nothing against them either I'm just asking the simple question...how much longer. According to one person I spoke to they said "not that busy".... and I was just in Newfoundland most of the people went home because it's booming out there. So now who exactly are you ferrying in and out?

You got to think of it's true they have over 65 staff....just add up the Salaries, sure the pilots aren't making peanuts, plus overhead....it's got to add up.

And unless every single travel agent is WRONG I have been told they are not doing ANY winter charter for Transat. Plus I think I read on here or some other forum that Transat has been consolidating a lot of their routes....a friend of mine had there cuba trip moved in January goes to show you were that is going too....

[hotwings56]

SO then what happened to the whole idea of workforce transportation? Obviously that's not busy...
They got to be going through seed money like mad...wonder how much longer till they go under? I mean if you can't keep two airplanes busy...you got to wonder....

The workforce transportation is alive and well?..it's coming back slowly and things look good going forward I've heard. The stuff overseas IS workforce transportation, they're keeping it quiet from what I've been told. I know a lot of people at Enerjet, they have a great product and they appear to have weathered the storm, I for one am happy to see things turn around for them..

The Middle East stuff is the worst kept secret out there. Whether it happens or not who knows - either way jinky is right - they totally $hit the bed on their big plan to dominate the "workplace transportation" market.

I'd be curious to know Hotwings56 what exactly is so "good" that they are looking forward to for workforce transportation? They haven't signed a single new contract and the one they did have was, according to speculation, cancelled during the last down turn when the client mothballed their project - which leaves nothing except for some occasional ad hoc work and the 1-2 trips a week for AT. Just a math equation at this point - cash in the bank minus cash going out equals months to shut down.

SAY ALTITUDE

You're a real ray of sunshine aren't you? From your comments you don't even pick up a newspaper from time to time..Suncor is restarting Firebag, announcement Nov 13..should be some more flying there for them...and the Transat flying ended at the end of Oct...Canjet appears to be dropping the ball on their contract with Transat for the winter stuff, looks like they bit off a bit more than they can chew...might be something there as well...the middle east stuff?..we'll see I guess, sounded solid to me is all I`m saying.

I have no real inside knowledge, just what I have heard lately and as I said before, I wish them all the best..solid bunch of people, a lot of them were there when Westjet opened the door, I`m fairly confident they know what it takes to make a go of it.

[Machiavelli]

Say Attitude,

Why the hate for Enerjet? You are seriously put out by this operation. I think that you protest too much. Why? They turn you down or are you just an asshole? Personally, I haven't given 'em the chance to turn me down although they probably would. You see, I have an irregularly small penis so my therapist tells me that's why I really want to fly for Air Canada (cue harps). Something about over-compensating, I don't know I was too busy playing with my big watch.



















Troll.

[jinky]

Machiavelli,
A Troll? It's just stating information. Your post is by far the stupidest.

I don't think anyone has anything against the operation...but all that's in question is the fact that are they actually staying busy? And the simple answer to that is NO. They started at the wrong time, which if you read back in this thread everyone seems to agree but if you read any newspaper when they were starting up Tim thought it was a great time to start an airline. Read that in the Globe and Mail back last year.

I just don't see how they can stay a float if they are not even keeping their two planes busy. I don't think Say Altitude is saying anything wrong other than pointing out the obvious people. I'm sure their investors aren't pleased that they changed their business model twice already.

And Hotwings, first you say you "know people at enerjet" then you back track and say you have no real insider knowledge only stuff you heard... In other words you don't exactly know what they are up to.

[Say Altitude]

I have no axe to grind whatsoever. As Jinky said, I'm just pointing out the facts. And Firebag start up doesn't mean they are doing the work. I just feel bad for the guys that are there that may have to dust off the resume if things don't pick up. It's just math..

[Jastapilot]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it ironic that Mr. Never East of YQT is sending his planes 1/2 way around the world. Not a good sign either, I'm afraid.

[whiteguy]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it ironic that Mr. Never East of YQT is sending his planes 1/2 way around the world. Not a good sign either, I'm afraid.

Why send them east of YQT when he's sending south to the Caribbean! The ironic part is its coming from the "never east of YWG or south of the border" group.

[hotwings56]

Machiavelli,
A Troll? It's just stating information. Your post is by far the stupidest.

I don't think anyone has anything against the operation...but all that's in question is the fact that are they actually staying busy? And the simple answer to that is NO. They started at the wrong time, which if you read back in this thread everyone seems to agree but if you read any newspaper when they were starting up Tim thought it was a great time to start an airline. Read that in the Globe and Mail back last year.

I just don't see how they can stay a float if they are not even keeping their two planes busy. I don't think Say Altitude is saying anything wrong other than pointing out the obvious people. I'm sure their investors aren't pleased that they changed their business model twice already.

And Hotwings, first you say you "know people at enerjet" then you back track and say you have no real insider knowledge only stuff you heard... In other words you don't exactly know what they are up to.

Jinky

I probaly phrased that wrong...I do know, and talk to people/friends there all the time, the intent of my "no insider knowledge" was to point out that I don't work there and I"m sure the people I speak with aren't telling me everything that's going on. There is always rampant speculation in this business on what everybody else is doing...I try to stay away from that and I guess my attempt to inject a few facts here is falling a little flat...time will tell as some people here have said..I also wouldn't mind flying somwhere warm for the winter..this is old already in YYC

[Huge Hammer]

Interesting comments about Enerjet so I thought I would throw in my $.02

The Middle Eastern flying may sound like a great source of cash but it comes with a handful of challenges. For one thing the hourly rate is probably not a huge amount. It may be enough to keep cash flow and cover costs but the ops set up can be a pain, even if the broker is looking after the paperwork. Also keep in mind that the Enerjet workforce of pilots may not exactly be chomping at the bit to fly in the ME. For the most part these guys are pilots who were not far from retirement from WS (some actually did retire to maintain flight bennies) and the spirit of adventure to uproot a lifestyle and go overseas may not be there.

The Firebag flying may come back but Suncor is going to be grinding it's vendors like they never did before. When things were flying high in terms of oil price it seemed like they threw money at everything. In light of coming out of a recession as well as a corportate merger that is seeing/saw layoffs I would not be suprised that the hourly rate is not so fat and juicy. This is also going on the assumption that Firebag will need the amount of charters that they thought they would. There may be more local (ie YYC) than was available than before.

The holiday charter business is insanely competitive. Sunwing won't be giving them flying. They may get some flying that Canjet won't do for Transat but that will be it. They still also have to compete with WS for charters in their own backyard.

No dog in this fight and I don't wish them ill but as others have said on this thread, I wonder when they will burn thru the seed money.

[pika]

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[bigskyjoc]

Yep heard that yesterday as well. Doing some flying between a couple cities in the middle east I heard. have fun with that.

That actually sounds like a pretty good time to me. Done a lot of that type of work over the years..as long as your job is with a Canadian company and you get to come home eventually I'm sure it will be a great adventure...

Hotwings are you kidding me? ------ "Um honey, looks like I gotta go in the desert for a month or two, I know, I know its not what we were planning but look after the kids the best you can, don't get stressed at work and if the dog is still stick then we are gonna have to put him down. I will try to keep in touch via webcam or something..."

Yup sounds like a great adventure to me Hotwings !

[jinky]

Apparently not Dubai bound anymore?

Heard the same thing.....i wonder when they will shut this down....dont see any transat flights either...

[tincanflyer]

Every time I pass the office on Aviation Park everyones outside smoking; I guess theres nothing else to do with no flying.

[jinky]

Every time I pass the office on Aviation Park everyones outside smoking; I guess theres nothing else to do with no flying.

Your kidding?

[Herc_Driver]

Hotwings are you kidding me? ------ "Um honey, looks like I gotta go in the desert for a month or two, I know, I know its not what we were planning but look after the kids the best you can, don't get stressed at work and if the dog is still stick then we are gonna have to put him down. I will try to keep in touch via webcam or something..."

Yup sounds like a great adventure to me Hotwings !

Sounds like life in the Air Force in the "Air Mobility" world.
No life like it!!!

LOL .........

[palebird]

Re: Hopefully they'll be well positioned with their own niche market as the economy continues to improve. The point I was trying to make above is they continue to be led by a team who have proven records in the Canadian Airline industry.

Economy continues to improve??? What are you drinking.. lol.. a team with proven records in Canadian Airline industry??..ha ha.. you are one funny guy.. what kind of proven records?? There are not many in Canada who have something to be proud of, most are jokers and rip off artists..they will be gone before 2010 is over.. wait for it..

[pika]

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[YYCcrew]

Oh dear, I sure hope that this is not true...