What are lower mainlander's doing thru olympics???

[ypk_girl]

Hey - what all the other instructors / VFR types around ZBB/YNJ/YPK/YSE are doing for the olympics shutdown weeks?

We're mostly being laid off at my school, so the instructors can get EI money for training - serving as severance for all this security bullshit. A few are going to get their IFR and multi - a couple are looking at getting the money for their float ratings (might as well get some benefit out of this PITA). Feels like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

What about those over at ZBB/YNJ? Are you getting the EI to pay for anything?

[ScudRunner]

Ok so the Olympics start on Feb 12th and end on the 28th, now to apply for EI let say you do it on the 12th while watching the opening ceremonies. Now the two week waiting period starts ticking then on the 26th you get approved then your back to work two days later and you can collect a max of 457 bucks a week so you get at max $1040.

So your rent and food take half of that at least then your student loan and beers while watching the hockey take even more and this is a once in a life time opportunity?

I know plenty of pilots that have worked for years then get laid off for a good deal more than 2 weeks and are still denied funding for new training.

[Old Dog Flying]

Neil: The Olymdics shutdown starts 29 Jan and lasts until 24 March....

Barney

[ScudRunner]

Jebus H Christ , That's fuct

The Terrorists have won

[Cat Driver]

.. it even includes Nanaimo.

[ScudRunner]

Bah shut off the transponder and fly out of Delta Airpark lets see an F-18 track a fabric aircraft doing 70 MPH low over mud bay.

[Old Dog Flying]

Delta Air Park is COMPLETELY shut down for the full 54 days!!!!!!! Only those pilots with full security clearances, point-to-point flight plan with NO deviations will be allowed out of ZBB and YPK, no solo student flying, and this is a democracy! I'll learn more tomorrow night when we get an up-to-date briefing.

And if the F-18s don't get you, the ground-to-air boomers will!

[BGH]

I was advised yesterday that providing I am on a flight plan,squawking a discrete transponder code & in constant radio contact with a nav canada facility that I will be able to fly out of & return to Pitt Meadows in my private aircraft;could be interesting & don't forget that if you get intercepted by a military jet to slow down to just above stall speed to help them out.

[Cat Driver]

Would they shoot down a light airplane?

[Lost Lake]

Only if it's a bud light, cus they should all be shot down

[iflyforpie]

Would they shoot down a light airplane?

Because anybody not following the revised VTAs, CYRs, and NOTAMs is obviously a terrorist.

And who wouldn't want a chance to play with something like this? (C'mon, just a few warning shots...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PywbJzbJ8VU

[Airtids]

Hey - what all the other instructors / VFR types around ZBB/YNJ/YPK/YSE are doing for the olympics shutdown weeks?

I heard everyone was headed to Pitt Meadows to cruise chix!!

[BoostedNihilist]

We're mostly being laid off at my school, so the instructors can get EI money for training - serving as severance for all this security bullshit. A few are going to get their IFR and multi - a couple are looking at getting the money for their float ratings (might as well get some benefit out of this PITA). Feels like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Good luck with that.. the funding is suspended until next fiscal... which begins in april.. hopefully you'll be back at work by then.

In order to get the funding you have to be actually laid off, and on an E.I. claim before they will even look at you. An E.I. claim is taking about six weeks to process.. you have to wait two weeks after being layed off to have your application considered, so the startup wait for funds is close to 8 weeks... Then, it's not simply walking in and walking out with a cheque.. you have to do job searches.. which include paperwork, interviewing perspective employers and employees, possibly obtain a document stating a perspective employer would consider you for a job should x qualifications be obtained, then, they don't pay for the whole shot.. you're going to have to come up with around 30%

It's not strictly an E.I. program, it is proxied to various agencies who act as intermediaries, reporting to a few people who make the final decision. Even getting an appointment to talk to an intermediary takes a few weeks, so in reality you're looking at months of work (but you have free time and free money) to get the funds you seek... and all this starts next fiscal..

[Carrier]

.: "I know plenty of pilots that have worked for years then get laid off for a good deal more than 2 weeks and are still denied funding for new training."

I agree. That's why I started a thread on it: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=60503&hilit=HRSDC

I now know several former pilots who have moved or are in the process of changing to other occupations. These are not low timers but pilots who have accumulated several thousand hours of experience only to come to the conclusion that other occupations offer better pay, lifestyle and prospects. This has accelerated over the past year.

Not only has the HRSDC skills training for pilots vanished but so have other programmes such as the Targeted Wage Subsidy and Second Career.

EI and HRSDC have passed the skills development buck to several provinces through Labour Market Development Agreements (LMDA). The provinces are apparently refusing to implement any effective help for laid off pilots. Presumably provinces refusing to perform the LMDA functions delegated to them is one of their cut-backs to handle their deficits.

[MichaelP]

We're laying one instructor off.

Our Sim is busy enough for the IFR instructor to stay employed... He's also our PRM and I have two more Katanas coming to have 100hp engines put in for next summer. We didn't have enough Katanas last summer!
You can renew your multi IR in our sim at the same time as learning the G1000 system.

Two of us are going to Thailand, (one of our instructors was born there), 'great opportunity to go home to family.

One instructor will make a ton of money working at Starbucks downtown.
You could get a temporary job with some sort of hospitality, make more money especially in tips, and have enough to survive this profession of flight instructor.

Dispatchers might hurt a bit, there's no laying off of part time employees!

For those of you who are being laid off... I was told there's no obligation on an employer to take you back afterwards.
Being good instructors in good standing with your bosses is your only insurance of a job in the end.
There's been a lot of Class IV instructors looking for jobs with very good resumes just lately!

These Olympic Security Games are leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I thought Canada was a free country with a constitution that guaranteed certain rights.
How Canadians are allowing such liberties to be taken with such laws by the people sworn to protect them beats me!

I saw this once before here; New Year's Eve 1999/2000 when the police illegally closed Vancouver to anyone who was not resident there. People simply accepted it; do the police really have such powers in Canada?

[robbreid]

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/2010 ... story.html

Heh, if your at the Olympics, why not attend the auction to buy Whistler - as the loan holders are going to auction it off during
the Olympics !!!!

I'm sure as soon as the Intl press leaves the Olympics, Air Canada will announce huge layoffs and Vancouver will be left with a
massive debt load - that only the people of Quebec seem to understand. Harper will come out of hiding, but it'll be to late for him.

There is no more free money left in Ottawa, and our IOU's are worthless. Time to burst that Real Estate bubble, though I can't feel
to sorry for any fools out buying today . . .

[stopsquawk]

Hey - what all the other instructors / VFR types around ZBB/YNJ/YPK/YSE are doing for the olympics shutdown weeks?

We're mostly being laid off at my school, so the instructors can get EI money for training - serving as severance for all this security bullshit. A few are going to get their IFR and multi - a couple are looking at getting the money for their float ratings (might as well get some benefit out of this PITA). Feels like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

What about those over at ZBB/YNJ? Are you getting the EI to pay for anything?

ypk_girl, are you talking about standard EI benefits here? or is there something extra in the works for people in the aviation industry who are out of work because of the Olympics? I know there was a movement by the Air Transport Association a while ago for compensation. Just wondering if that request got anywhere.

[ScudRunner]

So checking the Maps YXX and YCW do not appear to be restricted,is that the case? If a flight school wanted to continue providing instruction and serving its students why not put a plane out their for the two months and continue to operate out of their using the practice area to the east. Yes it would be a longer drive for some students and not ideal but keep the props turning.

[MichaelP]

It's the cost of operation.
Most schools have to weather the winter, its additional expenses, and lower utilisation.
Chilliwack has e-mailed schools to invite them there, and I was asked to Abbotsford as well.
But people don't like driving in the Lower Mainland and I don't blame them. These are some of the worst roads you can find anywhere. Just driving to Langley from Boundary Bay through Surrey, (city of lights, most of them red), is a real pain.
Yes you'd get one or two hours flying you would not otherwise get, but what about the overhead?
Then there's TC regulations, you are after all creating a Satellite and it should be approved by Tranport before you can use it.

I would love to have someone take our DA40 away for the period.
We have one aircraft booked out already to go across the USA...

[Old Dog Flying]

.: Both Abbottsford and Chilliwack are outside the 30 mile rings and Montair is setting up at CW...which will make that place a combat zone. I was out there a week ago and on short final, one of their non-English students was going to taxi to position on the runway with me inside 1/2 mile from TD. I made it very clear that he had better not try it and after I touched down and obvious CDN voice announced that the same aircraft was doing an "immediate" T/O..one of Montair's not-to-brilliant instructors...And I was about 500' from the turn-off with this dickhead rolling behind.

To operate out of Langley, a point-to-point flight plan must be filed and as long as you are not going into the RED zone, no security clearance is necessary. A large group of keen aviators filing for Chilliwack for lunch would be great Swamp the system! Stop-overs are allowed on the F/P but a new txpdr code must be obtained prior to re-entering the 30 mile security zone. And somewhere along the flight, after leaving Class C airspace you will have to talk to "Olympic Control or whaterver the position will be called.

[Carrier]

MichaelP, I am addressing this to you because you seem to be impacted and interested in correcting the situation.

I really feel for the business owners and employees affected by this abuse. This is a situation that should not occur in any country that recognises the rule of law and genuine human rights. Every Canadian should have the right to operate a business or work at his job. This should not be taken away without full and proper compensation and it should only be done for the serious common good, not for a party or special event for a privileged few.

To deliberately damage Canadian businesses and destroy the jobs of Canadians is an act of malicious economic terrorism. No Canadian government of integrity and decent ethics would indulge in this on behalf of a privileged few athletes and their greedy sponsors and organisers. Where it does become necessary for the common good (not the common pleasure of a few Olympic leeches and maggots) to compulsorily close a business or purchase a property then it is common practice to provide full compensation to all those affected. Any government of integrity would do this.

In particular in this serious economic recession both federal and provincial governments should be doing all they can to help businesses to survive and provide jobs for Canadians rather than damaging them. The terrorists want to destroy our economies, our jobs, our lifestyle and our freedoms. Our governments should not be doing the terrorists' work for them.

You, your competitors, your suppliers, your employees and your customers are all paying taxes to support MPs and MLAs who are paid to represent and assist the interests of their constituents. If you do not live in your premises at the airfield you personally might have two of each to represent you, one of each covering the area of your business and the others where you reside. Businesses and individuals who have been damaged by the Olympics should be fully compensated by the Olympic organisers, participants and sponsors - not by Canadian taxpayers. The elected representatives of those affected should be ensuring that this happens. Have you all asked them to help you? All those who have not bothered to contact their well paid representatives do not deserve any sympathy. However, if you have contacted them, what were their responses?

Have any MPs and MLAs made a genuine effort to help the affected businesses and individuals? If they refused or made no meaningful effort to earn their taxpayer funded incomes then kindly name and shame them on here. We all need to know who to oppose at the next elections, regardless of party. They should also be publicly asked whose side they are on - that of ordinary Canadian business operators and workers or that of the terrorists who seek to destroy us?

Then there is the matter of Canada's impotent Charter of Rights!

[. ._]

Or we could just roll over and lube up to take it from the man like we always do.

-istp

[FlaplessDork]

Anyone able to file a lawsuit over the matter?

[stopsquawk]

I hope the operators affected are able to recoup their losses. I think a precedence was set last year when Susan Heyes, a Cambie street merchant, sued Translink et al, and won, for the "nuisance" created to her business caused by the cut and cover construction.
http://www.francesbula.com/wp-content/u ... cision.pdf
Perhaps those adversely affected should give her lawyer a call.

[v6g]

Then there is the matter of Canada's impotent Charter of Rights!

The Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms unfortunately has no jurisdiction over this.

It states that "Every citizen of Canada has the right to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.

If they were closing all the airspace across the entire area of BC then it would apply.

In my opinion, VANOC have managed this very carefully to stay just on the right side of the law.

There is a part of the EI act (Section 25 I believe) that allows for the full cost of training (such as a multi-IFR) to be covered by EI (not just weekly payments), subject to various restictions - but I know people who it has worked well for in the past. This looks like the best way for people who will lose their livelihoods for two months to get sweet revenge on the Government (or "the taxpayer" depending on which way you look at it).