"1/2hr rule": Where'd it go?

[lilfssister]

Devolved into personal attacks

[ywgflyboy]

Is it not possible to delete those personal attacks instead of an entire thread with useful info?

[lilfssister]

Wasn't it in here?

viewtopic.php?f=68&t=58628&start=25

Not 100% sure it was, but I think that's where it was?

[reality_check]

Nope, that's not it. It was deleted.

Regardless, I thought everyone stayed until the absolute last minute of their shifts? Or maybe I'm the only one doing that...

Yes, it was deleted. Maybe Jerricho knows why. He was the one who was flying off the handle at the mere suggestion that controllers routinely leave before the scheduled end of their shifts. And don't kid yourself about whether or not it happens. There are easy ways for the company to verify this, if they chose to.

[ywgflyboy]

To be quite honest... who cares. Are you saying you have never left your desk early or went for an extra coffee break? Planes in Canada make it from A to B quite safely in this country and as long as they don't all finish at the same time and take that 30 minutes at the same time we should not give a care at all.

This is all highly off topic though. Check the GAP Gen and read it 3 times. The 1/2mile vis will make perfect sense.

[Driving Comet]

To be quite honest... who cares. Are you saying you have never left your desk early or went for an extra coffee break? Planes in Canada make it from A to B quite safely in this country and as long as they don't all finish at the same time and take that 30 minutes at the same time we should not give a care at all.

This is all highly off topic though. Check the GAP Gen and read it 3 times. The 1/2mile vis will make perfect sense.

I think they're talking about a 1/2 hour rule where controllers can leave before their shift ends, not the 1/2 mile vis regulations...

On the topic, any controllers care to clarify what this policy is for the outside people?

DC

[ywgflyboy]

To be quite honest... who cares. Are you saying you have never left your desk early or went for an extra coffee break? Planes in Canada make it from A to B quite safely in this country and as long as they don't all finish at the same time and take that 30 minutes at the same time we should not give a care at all.

This is all highly off topic though. Check the GAP Gen and read it 3 times. The 1/2mile vis will make perfect sense.

I think they're talking about a 1/2 hour rule where controllers can leave before their shift ends, not the 1/2 mile vis regulations...

On the topic, any controllers care to clarify what this policy is for the outside people?

DC

I am aware of what is being talking about. If you read my post, in the first paragraph I am addressing the absurd issue people seem to have with a professional taking a break from a stressful job, and then finally in my second paragraph I am addressing the 1/2mile vis regulation.

[invertedattitude]

To be quite honest... who cares. Are you saying you have never left your desk early or went for an extra coffee break? Planes in Canada make it from A to B quite safely in this country and as long as they don't all finish at the same time and take that 30 minutes at the same time we should not give a care at all.

This is all highly off topic though. Check the GAP Gen and read it 3 times. The 1/2mile vis will make perfect sense.

I think they're talking about a 1/2 hour rule where controllers can leave before their shift ends, not the 1/2 mile vis regulations...

On the topic, any controllers care to clarify what this policy is for the outside people?

DC

I can assure you there is no such "policy".

[reality_check]

It's an unofficial policy followed by the controllers.

Controllers figure out their break schedules among themselves. Most controllers work about half an hour on, maybe an hour, and then half an hour off.

Everyone structures their break schedule so that the last half hour of their shift is a "break", at which point they leave the building and go home early, despite a company directive stating that controllers shall be available for immediate recall to the control position until the very end of their shifts.

Don't believe me? Then check the optical portal logs and compare that against shiftlogic.

[Braun]

What is your position to even comment on this reality_check? You cannot generalize how long controllers work on or off at a time because it varies from sub-unit to sub-unit even within the same ACC. So stop spreading crap since obviously you are so informed...but you can't seem to back up any of your bad mouthing you've done here, so go away or STFU.

[invertedattitude]

It's an unofficial policy followed by the controllers.

Controllers figure out their break schedules among themselves. Most controllers work about half an hour on, maybe an hour, and then half an hour off.

Everyone structures their break schedule so that the last half hour of their shift is a "break", at which point they leave the building and go home early, despite a company directive stating that controllers shall be available for immediate recall to the control position until the very end of their shifts.

Don't believe me? Then check the optical portal logs and compare that against shiftlogic.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, plain and simple.

[Indanao]

It's an unofficial policy followed by the controllers.

Controllers figure out their break schedules among themselves. Most controllers work about half an hour on, maybe an hour, and then half an hour off.

Everyone structures their break schedule so that the last half hour of their shift is a "break", at which point they leave the building and go home early, despite a company directive stating that controllers shall be available for immediate recall to the control position until the very end of their shifts.

Don't believe me? Then check the optical portal logs and compare that against shiftlogic.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, plain and simple.

It must have changed since I was at F.S.S. school at TCTI, now I guess it's NCTI but we got pocket money for 3mths, and subsitance wage for the last 3 months.( can't recall the numbers but they were very low ) For me, being in the same room ( even though like a nice little hotel room ) and eating with the same group of suck holes in the cafeteria convinced me to quit 3 weeks from the end. At that time they billed FSS as a training ground for ATC. Yes, research and knowing what is involved helps. Those who went on to A.T.C. from graduates of that group of 20, after working as a FSS was one. His dad was top management in Western Region, and two brothers controlers in ATC. ( A tinge of corruption.)

[aircrow]

I do not understand why somebody would start a topic like this. If they were ATC why are they trying to get their work buddies in trouble and if not what are you trying to do?

[Braun]

Some people are just bitter, i'm guessing he was CT'ed from somewhere and is trying to get revenge for his lack of ability to control aircraft.

[IFRATC]

Reality check, (proper fitting name for you and this topic),
What are your credentials? And where do you get your info? You seem to be very upset over this topic. Your comments truly enlighten me to the fact that you don't have a clue as to how an operation runs. Its been stated before that every unit is different and within each unit every sector operates differently. "Work a half hour and then go on break??" Moron.
Staffing determines everything and how we operate each specialty. Time of day and volume also determines staffing requirements at the position. Some sectors could be, depending on time of year, leave, etc., PLUS staff on shift. How it is determined as to who is working and when, does not matter. Sectors are opened and closed tactically. This also determines staffing. By the time the evening shifts are done most sectors are combined into midnight configurations which does not require the same amount of staff. As long as bodies are available to be recalled what business is it of yours as to who goes home and when....Why so bitter about all this....Maybe that would be a far more interesting thread than your little bitch fest about what and how we run our operation.

IFRATC

[Air_Boss]

reality check has 3 choices as I see it.
If they are a NC employee they could report this to their manager or use one of the other reporting methods. Of course this means you are trying to nark on your buddies and if anyone ever found out you would not be popular. Second is if you are an ex-NC employee for what ever reason you could try to bring it to the attention of your ex-manager. This makes you just plain pathetic for trying to cause trouble and it is probably a good thing you don't work for NC. Third if a friend of a friend supposedly told you let us know the source and did they put you up to this and why?

[Braun]

or #4 he is a CT'ed trainee, is bitter and his only way to make himself feel better is to stir up shit anonymously about something he knows nothing about?

[reality_check]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, plain and simple.

I'm afraid you are mistaken.

[ywgflyboy]

For F sakes. Are we 10 years old here? Who cares.

[kevenv]

For F sakes. Are we 10 years old here? Who cares.

He started it!

[ywgflyboy]

Don't make me pull over!

[reality_check]

Reality check, (proper fitting name for you and this topic),
What are your credentials? And where do you get your info? You seem to be very upset over this topic. Your comments truly enlighten me to the fact that you don't have a clue as to how an operation runs. Its been stated before that every unit is different and within each unit every sector operates differently. "Work a half hour and then go on break??" Moron.
Staffing determines everything and how we operate each specialty. Time of day and volume also determines staffing requirements at the position. Some sectors could be, depending on time of year, leave, etc., PLUS staff on shift. How it is determined as to who is working and when, does not matter. Sectors are opened and closed tactically. This also determines staffing. By the time the evening shifts are done most sectors are combined into midnight configurations which does not require the same amount of staff. As long as bodies are available to be recalled what business is it of yours as to who goes home and when....Why so bitter about all this....Maybe that would be a far more interesting thread than your little bitch fest about what and how we run our operation.

IFRATC

ifratc, I'm sure all your blather is very interesting for those who do not already hold an ATC licence.

Unfortunately, staffing numbers have nothing to do with what we're talking about in this thread. Try and pay attention.

[IFRATC]

If there is enough bodies to fill traffic requirements and immediate recall at that given time what the F&CK does it matter??? Thats my blathering point idiot....
I scratch my head as to why you are so F&#KING bothered by this, whether you are a controller or a CT'ed trainee??? Aspirations of becoming another labotomy of a shift manager maybe??? Your pointless whining and crying is (a) embarassing if you are a controller: and (b) completely retarded if you are not.

IFRATC

[kevenv]

I must have left early, what was the point of this thread?

[reality_check]

If there is enough bodies to fill traffic requirements and immediate recall at that given time what the F&CK does it matter??? Thats my blathering point idiot....
I scratch my head as to why you are so F&#KING bothered by this, whether you are a controller or a CT'ed trainee??? Aspirations of becoming another labotomy of a shift manager maybe??? Your pointless whining and crying is (a) embarassing if you are a controller: and (b) completely retarded if you are not.

IFRATC

It isn't so much about traffic requirements, although that is definitely a concern.

It's about the lazy union mentality of controllers doing their grocery shopping when they're being paid to be in the building. After all, if you're paid for an X hr shift, shouldn't you actually be in the building during the shift? Seems pretty simple to me. If you pulled that stunt at any other job you'd be fired.