CFB Trenton Wing Commander charged two counts murder . . .

[LuckyPilot]

If proven guilty, the man is going to be considered a serial rapist and murderer. on that point, a dangerous offender, who should not see the light of day for the rest of his life. no less repugnant then Paul Bernardo.

[Isis]

Here is the job description of the Military Police, from the Canadian Forces recruiting site:

WHAT THEY DO
Military Police with the Canadian Forces (CF) serve a community of 200,000 Regular and Reserve Force members, Department of National Defence (DND) civilian employees, cadets, and family members residing on military establishments in Canada and abroad. Whether at home on CF bases or abroad on international missions, Military Police, in conjunction with civilian and allied military police forces, protect and support all components of the CF. With over 1,250 full-time members, they form one of the largest police forces in Canada.

In the example jonny dangerous cited, the events took place on base during summer training ie. military establisment. In that case, of course the MPs were involved.

In the example that Meatservo offered, the events took place in their school - assumed off base. Therefore unless military property or personel were involved, the MPs would not be.

At least he's never done a gear up landing!

Beautiful!

[RatherBeFlying]

CBC radio had a resident on air that the police had a tire print from the last victim's driveway. The OPP were stopping traffic and got a match -- good work

[MrWings]

Surely they must have something more than tire prints to charge a guy with two counts of murder and sexual assault. Otherwise it is a pretty big stretch.

[Nark]

He' s already guilty in the minds of many.

A court of law is just for show anyway.

[Meatservo]

Here is the job description of the Military Police, from the Canadian Forces recruiting site:

WHAT THEY DO
Military Police with the Canadian Forces (CF) serve a community of 200,000 Regular and Reserve Force members, Department of National Defence (DND) civilian employees, cadets, and family members residing on military establishments in Canada and abroad. Whether at home on CF bases or abroad on international missions, Military Police, in conjunction with civilian and allied military police forces, protect and support all components of the CF. With over 1,250 full-time members, they form one of the largest police forces in Canada.

In the example jonny dangerous cited, the events took place on base during summer training ie. military establisment. In that case, of course the MPs were involved.

In the example that Meatservo offered, the events took place in their school - assumed off base. Therefore unless military property or personel were involved, the MPs would not be.

At least he's never done a gear up landing!

Beautiful!

OK, Isis, I'm sorry you think it's such a big deal. I wasn't a cadet; I wasn't one of the cadets in the news story I heard on CBC radio; I wasn't one of the reporters; I'm not an MP; I never was an MP; I don't live in Quebec; I wasn't at the school; I'm not a CIC officer, and I just don't really give a rat's ass whether some, one, or all MPs in Quebec in the 1990s did or did not go to some cadet's house for any reason whatsoever. Give it a rest. I'm just commenting on something I heard on the radio, and I'm not lying. If it bugs you so much that some people think this may have taken place, phone the local armoury, ask to speak to the man in charge, and ask him if this could have happened for any reason, and satisfy yourself. I don't care.

[shitdisturber]

He' s already guilty in the minds of many.

A court of law is just for show anyway.

With someone that high profile; the OPP would have to be pretty sure the case was a slam dunk before they even went to the Crown Prosecutor's office, and he'd want to be even more sure than they were before he proceded. While everyone deserves their day in court; I suspect the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

[Isis]

I don't care.

Obviously.

[Meatservo]

Isis, Unless you're actually a military police person yourself, your opinion is just as important as mine; in other words you can use it to buy a small coffee at Tim's if you also happen to have a dollar fifty. In my experience even currently serving members are foggy when it comes to the ins and outs of military law, especially outside their own trade. The only reason I'm even defending my position is that you seem so intent on proving me wrong; I don't understand why it's so important to you. It's just a story I heard on the radio ten years or more ago, and it stuck with me because I found it hard to believe myself. It doesn't even have much to do with this thread, insofar as the OPP and the MP are going to do whatever they do regardless of what you or I think anyway.

[Alpha Crit]

I knew Russ Williams very well. I was his boss from '90 to '92 in Portage la Prairie. At that time, he was a model young officer and pilot. He was smart, hard working, and an excellent pilot. I hand picked him as one of my wingmen for the final display of the Musket Gold Formation Demonstration team. I worked hard to help get him that Challenger posting because, in my opinion, he deserved it. Even in the face of mounting evidence, my mind refuses to acknowledge that he was capable of committing these awful crimes. I am in shock!

[Wilbur]

Something as serious as this is way beyond the scope of the MP's and service prison. The military would be hard pressed to find an MP who has ever conducted a serious criminal investigation, and they sure as heck don't have any experienced homicide investigators. The military is not exactly a hotbed of serious criminal activity. They will be on the sidelines learning what they can from the experts in the civilian police.

As for service prison and the seemingly draconian punishment model they use, it really only works when the prisoners agree to play along in order to avoid transfer to a federal pen. It's a helluva lot safer place than a federal pen.

[RatherBeFlying]

Surely they must have something more than tire prints to charge a guy with two counts of murder and sexual assault.

I suspect taking a DNA sample was the next step and it looks like they got a match.

[robbreid]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2543428

National Post story confirms Police were looking for a specific tire track.

Further news today, after he was arrested Sunday, he took Police to the location of the 2nd victim.

Under Canadian Law, the most severe sentence he can be given is double concurrent life sentences,
which means in 15 years he can apply for the 'faint hope clause' parole - though there is zero chance
he'd get it. His next - potential parole date, will be February 8th 2032 - he'll be 68 years old.

Whether they keep him incarcerated for life, or grant him day parole, will depend on how he does his
time, how he cooperates with the program, and psychologists.

[MrWings]

I knew Russ Williams very well. I was his boss from '90 to '92 in Portage la Prairie. At that time, he was a model young officer and pilot. He was smart, hard working, and an excellent pilot. I hand picked him as one of my wingmen for the final display of the Musket Gold Formation Demonstration team. I worked hard to help get him that Challenger posting because, in my opinion, he deserved it. Even in the face of mounting evidence, my mind refuses to acknowledge that he was capable of committing these awful crimes. I am in shock!

That is why I find this case fascinating. This guy was a golden boy. I saw an expert in serial murders on the news last night and he said this guy doesn't fit the profile.

Psychopath? PTSD? It wasn't him?

[Nark]

Having studied many cases throughout my degree path, there really isn't a "profile" for serial killers.

Nor do I think murdering 2 people would put you in the running as a serial murderer.

Theodore Bundy is much different than John Wayne Gacy, who was much different than Gary Ridgeway.

[Isis]

Isis, Unless you're actually a military police person yourself, your opinion is just as important as mine; in other words you can use it to buy a small coffee at Tim's if you also happen to have a dollar fifty. In my experience even currently serving members are foggy when it comes to the ins and outs of military law, especially outside their own trade. The only reason I'm even defending my position is that you seem so intent on proving me wrong; I don't understand why it's so important to you. It's just a story I heard on the radio ten years or more ago, and it stuck with me because I found it hard to believe myself. It doesn't even have much to do with this thread, insofar as the OPP and the MP are going to do whatever they do regardless of what you or I think anyway.

Fair enough. I apologise for getting a little carried away and it was not my intention to offend you. Like you said, our opinions differ and that's as far as it goes. You're correct, I am not a member of the military police, just oppose to (what I conceive) to be mis interpretation of the cadet system.

I didn't mean to 'hijack' the thread, not my intention at all.

I am curious to follow the investigation and trial of the Wing Commander. Interesting that he took investigators to where the 2nd victim was. Hope this doesn't create any 'breaks' for him.

[MrWings]

Having studied many cases throughout my degree path, there really isn't a "profile" for serial killers.

Nor do I think murdering 2 people would put you in the running as a serial murderer.

The expert said there was a profile. They usually share common characteristics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_kil ... cteristics

It is interesting that they are looking at cold cases to see if there is a link to this guy. That is an indication they think he may be a serial killer. He is boardline meeting that definition already.

[Brewguy]

According to the most recent news, he's confessed:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/100210/c ... der_police

I'd imagine the powers that be at the DND are cringing pretty badly over this one. The guys who fly the VIPs around (PM, GG & Royal Family) must go through some additional screening, no? If not, I'd bet that'll change.

I knew Russ Williams very well. <snip> Even in the face of mounting evidence, my mind refuses to acknowledge that he was capable of committing these awful crimes. I am in shock!

Guess you never really know somebody... but you're probably not the only friend or coworker in shock over this.

I've known a couple of guys who came back from Afghanistan a little messed up ... what's life at Mirage like? Enough to mess with someone's head too?

[MrWings]

I'd imagine the powers that be at the DND are cringing pretty badly over this one. The guys who fly the VIPs around (PM, GG & Royal Family) must go through some additional screening, no? If not, I'd bet that'll change.

What more do you think they can do? Maybe ask, "have you or will you ever murder someone?"

You'd have to think this guy passed all the psychological tests that they threw at him.

Interesting story about the confession. Not reported by other organizations yet.

[Moose47]

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Honorable is probably not the right word. Maybe highly decorated, highly admired.

From all accounts so far, he had a good record as a soldier>>>

Excuse me, but he is an airman not a soldier. I remember him while he was with 434 Combat Support Squadron.

Cheers...Chris

[shitdisturber]

AI'd imagine the powers that be at the DND are cringing pretty badly over this one. The guys who fly the VIPs around (PM, GG & Royal Family) must go through some additional screening, no? If not, I'd bet that'll change.

I knew Russ Williams very well. <snip> Even in the face of mounting evidence, my mind refuses to acknowledge that he was capable of committing these awful crimes. I am in shock!

Guess you never really know somebody... but you're probably not the only friend or coworker in shock over this.

If there's any additional screening prior to being posted to 412 Sqn, I'm unaware of it; and apparently I was there at least briefly at the same time he was although I don't remember him at all and I'm not at all sorry I don't.

[SAR_YQQ]

While I cannot comment on extra-screenings for VIP squadons, I do know that screenings are done for those sent to isolated or semi-isolated postings like Yellowknife or Goose Bay.

[Moose47]

shitdisturber

When did you go through Cornwallis. I was Course 7549 - 'A' Company, 2 Platoon.

Cheers...Chris

[shitdisturber]

shitdisturber

When did you go through Cornwallis. I was Course 7549 - 'A' Company, 2 Platoon.

Cheers...Chris

Chris, I was 8208 C Company 10 Platoon.

[Old Dog Flying]

I went through London course 5308, "A" Flight...christ I'm an old fart! This whole affair is very hard to accept by anyone in the military or by anyone retired from the "family". This will probably give all military folks a bad name for a long time to come

Per Ardua Ad Astra.
Barney