DC3.

NWONT · Post by **NWONT** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:18 am

Siddley the inits are RK. I don't want to offend anyone.

Moose47 · Post by **Moose47** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:27 am

<<<<bmc

Cat Driver wrote:
I remember flying CF-AAB CF-AAC CF-AAL CF-AAM I wonder where they are now?

CF-AAM was last with Central Mountain into the mid 90's. The registration was taken off that airplane and put on the original plane that had that registration in Canada, a 1928 Fokker Super Universal, restored in Calgary. TC allowed the transfer to take place, which is unusual. Usually, that can only take place if the aircraft is written off or the aircraft leases the country. I played a small role in helping that to happen. No idea what the new registration became. >>>>

G'day Cat

The aircraft was re-registered as C-FAAM and a certificate of airworthiness issued on the 28th of January 1980.

On the 14th of January 1993, the Central Mountain Air DC-3, banked to 90 degrees during a turn to port while climbing through 800 feet. It went nose over and made a rapid descent and crashed near Bronson Creek. Unfortunately, both pilots were killed.

Cheers...Chris

302sc · Post by **302sc** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:38 am

wiebenville winter 73/74 attempted take off early morning runway 25 loaded with diesel bound for sachigo left wing stall right after airborne
can't remember the regisration

Old Dog Flying · Post by **Old Dog Flying** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:14 am

In 1935 there were 2 things born that are still going strong...the DC-3 and me...and here is my version of the famous bird; in 1:48 scale

Barney http://www.barneysairforce.com

Siddley Hawker · Post by **Siddley Hawker** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:58 pm

bmc wrote:Who's Gulfstream?

Ours.

(Iron Ore's.)

NWONT that's the guy. He had a friend, inits RBU, who was a colleague of mine.

Lastcat · Post by **Lastcat** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:00 pm

I don't think anyone has mentioned this Dak yet. Can you guess the registration? Bonus points for also getting the year and location. Hint: it was not being operated by the air creebec

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:47 pm

1980 Great Whale?

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:10 pm

Moose47 wrote:<<<<bmc

Cat Driver wrote:
I remember flying CF-AAB CF-AAC CF-AAL CF-AAM I wonder where they are now?

CF-AAM was last with Central Mountain into the mid 90's. The registration was taken off that airplane and put on the original plane that had that registration in Canada, a 1928 Fokker Super Universal, restored in Calgary. TC allowed the transfer to take place, which is unusual. Usually, that can only take place if the aircraft is written off or the aircraft leases the country. I played a small role in helping that to happen. No idea what the new registration became. >>>>

G'day Cat

The aircraft was re-registered as C-FAAM and a certificate of airworthiness issued on the 28th of January 1980.

On the 14th of January 1993, the Central Mountain Air DC-3, banked to 90 degrees during a turn to port while climbing through 800 feet. It went nose over and made a rapid descent and crashed near Bronson Creek. Unfortunately, both pilots were killed.

Cheers...Chris

What was the DC-3, formerly C-FAAM, registered as after the registration went to the Fokker?

Moose47 · Post by **Moose47** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:46 pm

<<<Lastcat - I don't think anyone has mentioned this Dak yet. Can you guess the registration? Bonus points for also getting the year and location. Hint: it was not being operated by the air creebe>>>

C-FBJE and operated by Austin Airways. No clue where the photo was taken )-:

Cheers...Chris

302sc · Post by **302sc** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:55 pm

IS THERE ANYTHING THE MOOSE DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT DC-3! IN CANADA..

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:47 pm

My worst landing ever in a DC3 was at the old airport in High Level Alberta.

How high did I bounce Moose?

Moose47 · Post by **Moose47** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:31 pm

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My worst landing ever in a DC3 was at the old airport in High Level Alberta.

How high did I bounce Moose?>>>

15 feet - left wing down (-:

Cheers...Chris

Moose47 · Post by **Moose47** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:35 pm

Cat Driver as "What was the DC-3, formerly C-FAAM, registered as after the registration went to the Fokker?"

Re-registered C-FAAM from CF-AAM on the 28th of January 1980.

Cheers...Chris

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:54 pm

Anyone here ever fly DC3's into the old airport in town in high Level?

Keir Air Transport had a sched run in northern Alberta to Peace River and the crew were based in High Level and I do believe that was the real start of my alcoholism problem.

That was a long time ago...1969.

Big Pistons Forever · Post by **Big Pistons Forever** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:07 pm

I remember High Level Alberta as a place where you could choose alcoholism or insanity....but after 2 months I was an insane alcoholic

Moose47 · Post by **Moose47** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:32 pm

G'day Cat

Keir Air Transport Limited of Edmonton, Alberta operated DC-3's CF-KAZ (beginning in 1966) and CF-KAH (beginning in 1969).

Kier also bought an ex-military Beechcraft Expeditor in 1965, R.C.A.F. s/n 1418 and gave it the civil registration CF-KAK

Did you know they bought a P-51D (CF-PIO) in 1966. I wonder if that was on a sked too!
It was sold to a buyer in Chino, California ( a big warbird community) on the 4th of January. 1967.

Cheers...Chris

302sc · Post by **302sc** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:45 pm

MOOSE ... FYI
you mentionned CF-KAZ I flew CF-KAZ in the summer of 78 for transprovincial airline in terrace doing the terrace iskut dease lake telegragh creek terrace run, then management sold it to pacific coastal .on july 22 I ferried it there in its canary yellow livery after which I lost track of it

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:47 pm

Did you know they bought a P-51D (CF-PIO) in 1966. I wonder if that was on a sked too!

Yes I knew they owned the 51 and it would have been way faster than the 3 on the skeds.

Keir bought the DC3 that Terriault Air Services owned with the X/wind gear on it and converted it back to the normal gear to save weight.

I still remember my first X/wind landing in it at the Cape James air strip, it was the weirdest feeling going down the runway sideways.

Meatservo · Post by **Meatservo** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:54 pm

I didn't know that they put Xwind gear on the DC3. I knew Cessna 195s sometimes had it, and B52s... do you have a picture of it, Cat? It must have been strange all right. Wouldn't it have been difficult to taxi? I guess it must have had locks or something for taxiing, otherwise it would handle like a backwards shopping cart, or one of those dollies movers use. I can barely steer one of those.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:06 pm

Yes you could lock it in the straight ahead position.

I really didn't get much time on it as I was flying for Austin Airways at the time and only flew it part time for George Terriault to his fish camps in Northern Quebec. We flew stuff up to Cape James from Timmins on the DC3 and then used the Beech 18 on floats to go to the fish camps....ahhh those were the days when you could fly so many different airplanes without having to hold PPC's on them...can you imagine a time when the owners of the airplanes decided if you were good enough to fly their airplanes?

I think Siddley Hawker has more time on one than I do and he would probably remember more about it than I do.

I wonder if anyone ever put skis on the DC3 with a X/wind gear...that would have really been a heavy gear system...

Moose47 · Post by **Moose47** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:29 pm

<<< Post subject: Re: DC3.
MOOSE ... FYI
you mentionned CF-KAZ I flew CF-KAZ in the summer of 78 for transprovincial airline in terrace doing the terrace iskut dease lake telegragh creek terrace run, then management sold it to pacific coastal .on july 22 I ferried it there in its canary yellow livery after which I lost track of it>>>

Well I can tell you that the aircraft was restored and is with Dakota Heritage Inc.Trustee of Wilmington, Delaware. N was restored as a war bird and is painted up as a U.S.A.A.F. C-47 complete with invasion stripes, coded 3X/P and nicknamed 'Drag-em-Oot'. (correct spelling).
Incidentally, 3X is the code for the 87th Troop Carrier Squadron of the 438th Troop Carrier Group. 'P' is th individual aircraft radio call sign.

I found the following on the internet which I think you find most interesting

http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dc3-n5831b.htm

Cheers...Chris

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:05 pm

Moose47 wrote:Cat Driver as "What was the DC-3, formerly C-FAAM, registered as after the registration went to the Fokker?"

Re-registered C-FAAM from CF-AAM on the 28th of January 1980.

Cheers...Chris

C-FAAM, was assigned to the DC-3 CF-AAM in 1980. During the mid 1990's, the registration was taken off the DC-3 and transferred to the only airworthy restored Fokker Super Universal. The DC-3 had a new registration applied to it. My question is what was that new registration? The registration transfer was not as a result of the accident. CMA agreed to the registration change and picked up the tab to re-paint the airplane and handle the paper work. This I know, because I approached Neil Blackwell on behalf of Clark Seaborn who was still restoring the Fokker at the time.

Siddley Hawker · Post by **Siddley Hawker** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:06 pm

I got ya beat on the bounce Cat. I once bounced the 3 so high in Amos I looked down on the runway in Val D'or.

I never flew the crosswind gear, sorry if I gave that impression. The two that Iron Ore had, FST and FKZ had been sold to St. Felicien by the time I went there. I did hitch a couple of rides in the jump seat before I went to work for Iron Ore, that's where my knowledge of the system came from. I do recall the last thing they did before takeoff was disengage the tail wheel lock and caster the mains. When St. Felicien bought both aircraft, the first thing they did was remove the castering gear so they could put the airplanes on skis, so I don't believe the castering gear was an option on skis. 302 you probably flew both those aircraft at St. Felicien.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:11 pm

When I did that bounce in High Level not only did I do a power off circuit Siddley I gave the cabin attendant a hysterectomy.

Here is a picture of the DC3 that was at the Aviodrome in Holland still in the Band of Brothers paint scheme....I flew it from the Aviodrome to the naval base at Valkenberg the day that picture was taken.

http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e353/ ... g&newest=1

302sc · Post by **302sc** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:12 pm

I found the following on the internet which I think you find most interesting

Moose you are a godsent .
thanks for the very complete history of cf-kaz after it left PCA. I now have history of half of the dc-3 I have flown.

J.C I did fly mostly FST on skis up and down the west side of ungava bay from fort chimo names were different then koartac, payne bay, leaf bay, etc.. heck even went once to port burwell truly a hole in the ground. CP was jean marie Pit at the time. man... so long ago!!..

I even got a good story for you about a weird skis event in schefferville it happened to me if you want I can PM it to you sort of same as the double engine failure in lg4