Enerjet

[Troubleshot]

They were just in Halifax and Moncton this week, not sure why.

[hotwings56]

They were just in Halifax and Moncton this week, not sure why.

I would imagine they're doing charters?

[Troubleshot]

They were just in Halifax and Moncton this week, not sure why.

I would imagine they're doing charters?

Well...since they are not a scheduled airline I would say that's all they do....what I meant was I wonder what business they had out on the east coast? as in who they were flying for? as in who hired them to fly people from one place to another? clear enough?

[matrix]

Well...since they are not a scheduled airline I would say that's all they do....what I meant was I wonder what business they had out on the east coast? as in who they were flying for? as in who hired them to fly people from one place to another? clear enough?

Most likely Olympic related. I saw them flying in/out of YXX last weekend.

[hotwings56]

My apologies, my post was tongue in cheek. My bad, I did know what you were asking, I just couldn't resist. The charters were Olympics related..moving security people back out east was what I was told.

[gulfan]

Two new job postings just popped up - Technical writter and admin assist.

[jinky]

Two new job postings just popped up - Technical writter and admin assist.

And I wonder how long they are going to last....

[Say Altitude]

Jetsgo was selling seats up to 12 hours before they closed the doors so that means zip.

The difference being is that at least Jetsgo had passengers to fly around....

[hotwings56]

jinky, say alitude

I have been in this industry a long time and cannot for the life of me understand how anybody can take pleasure in the troubles that collegues may be having. I would love to know who you guys are..slipped through the cracks when we were hiring I guess..(actually I hope you don't fly at WJ)..cause I fly with quite a few dip**its now, very depressing.

[jinky]

Oh gee sorry hotwings to burst your bubble but I've never worked for an airline I've just been following the industry for the last 15 years or longer. I don't take pleasure in watching them go under but I find it interesting forget the airline industry any business that is not making money (so in their case this is true) never hires people. Usually in fact they layoff people. That's what I find so fascinating. Investor cash is eventually going to run dry and these poor people will have no jobs after they've probably been promised a great career. Seriously this is about being realistic. I doubt if you ran a company and had a mere couple clients to do work for you would really have 75+ staff and keep hiring. I also doubt the executive staff are going to care when the low people on the totem pole have no jobs.

[hotwings56]

Oh gee sorry hotwings to burst your bubble but I've never worked for an airline I've just been following the industry for the last 15 years or longer. I don't take pleasure in watching them go under but I find it interesting forget the airline industry any business that is not making money (so in their case this is true) never hires people. Usually in fact they layoff people. That's what I find so fascinating. Investor cash is eventually going to run dry and these poor people will have no jobs after they've probably been promised a great career. Seriously this is about being realistic. I doubt if you ran a company and had a mere couple clients to do work for you would really have 75+ staff and keep hiring. I also doubt the executive staff are going to care when the low people on the totem pole have no jobs.

Well, we've established your qualifications...none. If you're not already aware, the airline industry is highly regulated and it requires a LOT of money, manpower, and knowhow to run any operation, no matter how big or small. Most of the people who have signed on at Enerjet have a lot of time in the Canadian airline industry and know the odds, they are there with their eyes wide open and nobody duped anybody with pie in the sky promises.

You don't know the executive staff over there, I do and I can tell you will certainty that, yes they do care about each and every one of the staff they have hired. The guys I know there are extremely happy with the operation and everyone is busting their butts to make a go of it. Again, I wish them luck...they're a great bunch of people

[jinky]

Hotwings,

Don't assume I don't know anyone who works there....because your wrong.

And why have two prime executives decide to bolt it and just be consultants? I think that kind of is showing you something.

If the airline industry was highly regulated like you say....then Why did Jetsgo sell seats till midnight... why have so many airlines shut their doors..why do credit cards hate airlines? hmmmmmm? If you apparently know it all...oh wait you don't.

Here's the thing to make money in any business you need BUSINESS...which they clearly don't have. GET IT??

Just like I'm sure any of the WJ executives would care if you had no job at the end of the day if they went under. Oh my god you make me laugh. They wouldn't care they made their money.

[Say Altitude]

Jinky is spot on - with both posts. No need for me to expand. No work, no fly, no business to exist. As I've said many times here, it's not personal - it's simple math.

[TopSky]

The fact of "they're a great bunch of people" as posted above, is not a business plan. There are a lot of nice people in aviation, but only those companies with a positive cash flow will survive.

"Selling stories of things to come", "hoping for a break", and "hanging in there" are not terms investors want to hear. For start-up, investors look at the projected earnings, then once in business they look at the company's balance sheets. There are no "nice guys" line items on a balance sheet.

Westjet did well because they were profitable from the beginning, Enerjet cannot be profitable with their current operation. The cold hard facts of business.

Dealing now with the personal side of business, these "nice guys" at Enerjet should really be "honest guys" with their staff. If these "nice guys" are posting jobs to give the appearance that everything is fine or saying to their staff everthing will be great, then maybe we should just call them "guys" from now on.

[hotwings56]

Hotwings,

Don't assume I don't know anyone who works there....because your wrong.

And why have two prime executives decide to bolt it and just be consultants? I think that kind of is showing you something.

If the airline industry was highly regulated like you say....then Why did Jetsgo sell seats till midnight... why have so many airlines shut their doors..why do credit cards hate airlines? hmmmmmm? If you apparently know it all...oh wait you don't.

Here's the thing to make money in any business you need BUSINESS...which they clearly don't have. GET IT??

Just like I'm sure any of the WJ executives would care if you had no job at the end of the day if they went under. Oh my god you make me laugh. They wouldn't care they made their money.

If you knew anything about the industry you would know that things have changed considerably in the last couple of years in regards to how credit cards, and the revenue from them can be used. Enerjet doesn't take credit cards and sell seats, you have kind of overlooked that as well. I'm not sure who you guys are but you know nothing about the industry and the goings on at Enerjet.

I've been at it 30 years now, don't even pretend to know that much, let alone "it all". I agree on one thing however. WJ mangement could give a rats ass about me or anybody else here..it's a big business now. Look what they did to a couple of the original pilots who left for Enerjet...screwed them out of lifetime passes that were promised..that I do know for a fact. Westjet used to be a great place to work, you could trust the management...no more.

[hotwings56]

The fact of "they're a great bunch of people" as posted above, is not a business plan. There are a lot of nice people in aviation, but only those companies with a positive cash flow will survive.

"Selling stories of things to come", "hoping for a break", and "hanging in there" are not terms investors want to hear. For start-up, investors look at the projected earnings, then once in business they look at the company's balance sheets. There are no "nice guys" line items on a balance sheet.

Westjet did well because they were profitable from the beginning, Enerjet cannot be profitable with their current operation. The cold hard facts of business.

Dealing now with the personal side of business, these "nice guys" at Enerjet should really be "honest guys" with their staff. If these "nice guys" are posting jobs to give the appearance that everything is fine or saying to their staff everthing will be great, then maybe we should just call them "guys" from now on.

The management has been very transparent with the staff about what's going on..nobody is in the dark about anything.

[Rotten Apple #1]

Time for you to choose where you want to work Hotwings, methinks. It doesn't appear that WJ is where you belong now.

John

[True North]

Look what they did to a couple of the original pilots who left for Enerjet...screwed them out of lifetime passes that were promised..that I do know for a fact. Westjet used to be a great place to work, you could trust the management...no more.

Interesting take. I have some friends in high places and I personally know one of the pilots you are referring to very well. The story I heard, from all parties, was the pilots leaving wanted lifetime passes due to their contribution to WestJet from the start. They were not entitled to them as they were quitting, not retiring. Whether or not WestJet should have given them anyway is up for debate but if you are going to mistrust your management, at least do it for the right reasons.

[hotwings56]

Look what they did to a couple of the original pilots who left for Enerjet...screwed them out of lifetime passes that were promised..that I do know for a fact. Westjet used to be a great place to work, you could trust the management...no more.

Interesting take. I have some friends in high places and I personally know one of the pilots you are referring to very well. The story I heard, from all parties, was the pilots leaving wanted lifetime passes due to their contribution to WestJet from the start. They were not entitled to them as they were quitting, not retiring. Whether or not WestJet should have given them anyway is up for debate but if you are going to mistrust your management, at least do it for the right reasons.

Moot point, the passes were promised to the original group WHENEVER they left and it had nothing to do with resigning or retiring, it was a promise made, a fairly large promise I might add, and a promise broken. I personally think those guys deserved them no matter the circumstances, but that's just one man's opinion. The retiremnet policy was "relaxed" about six months after they left as well..they got shafted plain and simple and I'm ashamed of our management for allowing it to happen. The passes cost the company nothing, they screwed the pooch on that one..could have built some goodwill with the pilot group but instead got a lot of people looking sideways at them..and no I don't trust them anymore, they give me no reason to. I know way too many lousy stories coming from that end of the operation, they are not treating people properly, I've been here a long time and I know the differnce from the past to the present.

I'm also aware that the company has changed, it's a lot bigger, hence lot's of necessary changes..doesn't mean you can treat people poorly. If you choose to bury your head in the sand and ignore how those guys were treated, and I do know the real story firsthand, then you are living in dreamland. It's just a paycheque for me now

[True North]

Moot point, the passes were promised to the original group WHENEVER they left and it had nothing to do with resigning or retiring, it was a promise made, a fairly large promise I might add, and a promise broken.

Wrong again. I just got off the phone with a very good friend who is a member of the "Royal Family" and he says no such promise was ever made. Someone has been blowing smoke up your ass but judging from the attitude you display here, you like it. You are working for arguably the best company in the country and you are bitching. Sounds like you should move on. Anyone who is working for WestJet just for the paycheck, doesn't deserve to be there. I have no doubt there are plenty of guys right here on this forum who would gladly trade places with you.

[hotwings56]

Moot point, the passes were promised to the original group WHENEVER they left and it had nothing to do with resigning or retiring, it was a promise made, a fairly large promise I might add, and a promise broken.

Wrong again. I just got off the phone with a very good friend who is a member of the "Royal Family" and he says no such promise was ever made. Someone has been blowing smoke up your ass but judging from the attitude you display here, you like it. You are working for arguably the best company in the country and you are bitching. Sounds like you should move on. Anyone who is working for WestJet just for the paycheck, doesn't deserve to be there. I have no doubt there are plenty of guys right here on this forum who would gladly trade places with you.

Not sure who you were talking to, he might not have been there when it was said.. ..I think I might know one or two of those guys as well...seeing as I'm one of them....

[Arctic84]

It's alright, hotwings. I was in there, I know what was said, and you are correct.

What we have now is "policy". Helluva shame.

[jinky]

Okay the credit card comment was a general Airline thing, not an enerjet thing. Don't know how you put two and two together to say I was thinking that.

If your so unhappy at WJ why don't you got o Enerjet? If everyone seems to me as happy as you say over there.

Here's the thing at the end of the day your buddies are not going to tell you everything that's going on at Enerjet. Fact is you don't need to be in the industry or know rocket science to figure out that yes they keep trying to get contracts and aren't getting them, transat has no flying for them, they are trying send them overseas but nothing and now trying to lease one and if so eaves them with one airplane, which I highly suspect would not pay bills. I'm sure everyone is working their butts off because when you have no business you try to do everything in your power to get business, which yes I see that, they are trying but unless they grab another contract from somewhere which they didn't get Imperial Oil's. I dunno man thing's look pretty bleak to me!

I mean think about it, if WJ had no flying and were not filling their aircraft do you seriously think you'd have a job?

[Say Altitude]

Heard from two separate people that one aircraft is leaving on a dry lease April 01.

[turbo-prop]

Why don't they get a contract with the NHL teams in the west and recinfig into executive interior? I now it s winter flying but maybe something could we worked out with other sports as well.