AC Flight evacuated in YYZ

[pilotman15]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/03/ ... ml?ref=rss
Nearly 100 passengers on an Air Canada flight from Montreal to Toronto were forced to make an emergency exit from the plane when it landed Tuesday morning at Pearson International Airport.

Saad Saadi, a passenger who spoke with CBC News inside the airport, said he had noticed a "weird smell" when he entered the Airbus A-320 aircraft in Montreal.

There were 99 passengers and six crew onboard the shuttle flight between the two cities, when the pilot announced there was a problem with the plane's hydraulics.

Saadi said the pilot who made an announcement told passengers the problem had been isolated and they should not worry. To be safe, he said, fire trucks would meet the aircraft when it touched down in Toronto.

Flight 433 landed safely just after 9 a.m., but passengers said the strange smell had worsened and they saw smoke in the cabin.

Air Canada spokesman Peter Fitzpatrick said the plane landed normally, then developed a problem with hydraulics affecting the steering. Fitzpatrick said the smoke appeared to have come from hydraulic fluid in the brakes.

As a precaution, the passengers used emergency slides to leave the aircraft.

Several passengers suffered minor scrapes and bruises, according to the airline.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/03/ ... z0j1evCK7V

[jetsetfly]

Hope it wasnt maintained in El Salvador

[IBPilot]

Several passengers suffered minor scrapes and bruises, according to the airline.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/03/ ... z0j1evCK7V

Haha, "according to". Thats funny. Sure, if I was the CEO of the airline, i sure wouldn't word getting out to the press that a few people got seriously hurt. Just a few people sustained minor injuries... Define minor....

But anyway, yes, a very interesting story. If I was that passenger who initially smelt something when I boarded, I would have told the FA asap and if it raised my concern enough, I would likely have deplanned and gotten the next flight.

[Cobra64]

If I was that passenger who initially smelt something when I boarded, I would have told the FA asap and if it raised my concern enough, I would likely have deplanned and gotten the next flight.

No you wouldn't have. And if you did the FA would have rolled her eyes at you thinking "one more leg until I get home, i've been on this stupid plane all day."

[IBPilot]

No you wouldn't have. And if you did the FA would have rolled her eyes at you thinking "one more leg until I get home, i've been on this stupid plane all day."

Trust me, I know what I would have done...
And anyway, let the FA roll her eyes all they want. In fact I'll roll them for them. I have seen many air disasters where one little malfuction can cause an aviation disaster.
The point is that If i'm not feeling safe, I'll get off and take the next bus home.

[Cobra64]

I have seen many air disasters where one little malfuction can cause an aviation disaster.

Really? How many disasters have you witnessed? You obviously have decades of aviation experience
Oh wait, a better idea. Like 95% of people on here, your PPL ground school and repeated viewings of Mayday have given you all the knowledge you need.

[IBPilot]

I have seen many air disasters where one little malfuction can cause an aviation disaster.

Really? How many disasters have you witnessed? You obviously have decades of aviation experience
Oh wait, a better idea. Like 95% of people on here, your PPL ground school and repeated viewings of Mayday have given you all the knowledge you need.

my bad, I should have used the word... "heard of"... your right, I have not seen many accidents but I know well enough that there is reason to be cautious.

If I smell something weird that I know I should not be smelling, I'm sure gonna bring it to the attention of an FA. If they give me the cold shoulder and don't reassure me that it's nothing to be worried about, then I'm going to ask very kindly if I can take the next flight.

And BTW, I have witnessed a few aviation accidents... but still, I made it sound like I am an expert which was my bad...

[just curious]

I saw one, same airport, same company. It wouldn't have mattered if I had been older and spoken up, I wasn't a pax, and it happened too fast for any pax to have spoken up. Everyone perished. Premature spoiler deployment. Fatal crash, new SOPs.

I don't really care whether a pax is a plumber or a 25000 hour guy. If they can keep my ass out of the weeds, I'd like to hear from them.

JC

[whiteguy]

But anyway, yes, a very interesting story. If I was that passenger who initially smelt something when I boarded, I would have told the FA asap and if it raised my concern enough, I would likely have deplanned and gotten the next flight.

Really? And what smells would you know are normal or not? The exhaust from the baggage tractor as it drove under the bridge below the open door? Or from the catering truck parked at the back door? Or from heater hooked up to the aircraft?

You wouldn't have said a word because you don't know!!!!

Everyone saying they smelt something odd and the flight shouldn't have left, would still be bitching about the flight being late because of a mechanical issue!!!

This whole thing is being blown up from a issue that was under control and shouldn't be getting this much press!!

[IBPilot]

Everyone saying they smelt something odd and the flight shouldn't have left, would still be bitching about the flight being late because of a mechanical issue!!!

I'm just saying that if I boarded a plane, and I have a concern about something (like a smell that i don't usually smell), i will bring my concern to the attention of an FA. believe me, i am not a timid person like most are who will just sit in their seat and hope it goes away. If I have a question, I will ask it. If they don't reassure me with an answer that makes sense or just brush me off, then it's not going to hurt me to deplane and take the next flight. Most of the time when i travel, I'm in no big rush. let another lower priority employee take my seat... i'll wait if i want to wait.

And yes, the story was a bit blown up but thats the news... it often blows things up. I am mearly responding to the article and saying what I might do if i was in the same situation with the conditions and parameters of the article.

Regards

[Oor Wullie]

IBPilot with 50+ posts in 4 days you sure have a lot to say in these forums...

[IBPilot]

IBPilot with 50+ posts in 4 days you sure have a lot to say in these forums...

I love aviation discussions. Its that simple. I am glad to see that you are observant but what is it about my passion that you are questioning...

[yycflyguy]

IBPilot with 50+ posts in 4 days you sure have a lot to say in these forums...

I love aviation discussions. Its that simple. I am glad to see that you are observant but what is it about my passion that you are questioning...

Careful. You are going to blow your load in 5 days then have nothing left to share.

[bmc]

I've been saying it for years. "Their service stinks".

Now do you believe me?

[aviator2010]

no one really knows what happened, not the flight crew, not the airline, not the union, not the mechanichs. What we do know is 99 pax + crew are alive and well and the crew should be given a pat on the back and two weeks off.

[Oor Wullie]

IBPilot wrote:
Oor Wullie wrote:
IBPilot with 50+ posts in 4 days you sure have a lot to say in these forums...


I love aviation discussions. Its that simple. I am glad to see that you are observant but what is it about my passion that you are questioning...


Careful. You are going to blow your load in 5 days then have nothing left to share.

+1

[yycflyguy]

no one really knows what happened, not the flight crew, not the airline, not the union, not the mechanichs. What we do know is 99 pax + crew are alive and well and the crew should be given a pat on the back and two weeks off.

I hope you meant the 2 week vacation WITH pay!

[c170b53]

I'll guess that there was a hydraulic leak and airflow on the belly may have caused some of the fluid to build up in the area of the APU inlet. Once started it probably delivered contaminated air to the packs. I wasn't there so I cannot comment as to whether their actions were appropriate for the conditions. Jumping out the chutes has its own hazards.

[aviator2010]

I hope you meant the 2 week vacation WITH pay!

of course with pay, I appolagize if it came off any other way. The crew acted in a proffesinal manner under a streesful situation and deserve time off to relax and get their head strait.

[Buzz Lightyear]

I almost took that flight. We planned on spending the day in Toronto with my girlfriend but we finally decided to have an extra hour of sleep and we took the 9 am.

It's a weird feeling once you realize that you could have been on the plane. Would have made for an interesting start of day....

B.

[gig]

Our FA came to us couple of months ago about one of the passengers who smelled something weird in the back. It would have been easy for her to "roll her eyes". After some more investigation, turned out that the smell was coming from an emergency flashlight in the back from wich the batteries were shorting. Good thing she told us, because we could have turned out into one of those Mayday episodes ourselves.

Never underestimate passenger input.

[ChallengerDan]

Regarding the smell prior to take off...

4 collegues of mine were on that flight, one of them actually had to open the overwing door. Now these are 4 fellow AMEs.
Nothing other than the ordinary GPU/APU/engine start smell at the beginning of the flight and things only got bad in the cabin well after they landed.

They knew they had hydraulic problems (were told on the PA by the flightdeck) and recognised right away the smell.
It was not clear at the time for the FA and pax that it was not a fire as fumes were exiting trough the gasper vents and they rightfully elected to evacuate the aircraft.
For anybody who doesn't know, Skydrol fumes are terrible.

[HavaJava]

Regarding the smell prior to take off...

4 collegues of mine were on that flight, one of them actually had to open the overwing door. Now these are 4 fellow AMEs.
Nothing other than the ordinary GPU/APU/engine start smell at the beginning of the flight and things only got bad in the cabin well after they landed.

They knew they had hydraulic problems (were told on the PA by the flightdeck) and recognised right away the smell.
It was not clear at the time for the FA and pax that it was not a fire as fumes were exiting trough the gasper vents and they rightfully elected to evacuate the aircraft.
For anybody who doesn't know, Skydrol fumes are terrible.

This is the type of experienced level-headed account that we need! (In fact, it's about the best we can get until the final report comes out).

As much as we need to be made aware of passengers concerns, when I first heard about the passenger that said he "smelled something" in CYUL, I have to admit I was extremely skeptical. Most passengers have no idea of the normal sights/smells/noises that accompany a typical flight.

[Randleman]

WOW guys. Lay off IBpilot. Just because he isn't flying for an airline doesn't mean he isn't a pilot/doesn't get to say anything. Freaking ridiculous already. All student pilots go through the stage where they think they "know everything" (not saying this about you necessarily, IBpilot), I was one of them, and so were you. We all learned eventually didn't we? It's not your place to chastize him, I don't care how many hours you have. Get real people, you are an embarrassment to aviation.

[Pratt X 3]

Yeah Guys!! Leave IBPilot alone!!!