skydivers escape plane crash (w. video)

[Morav]

Here is a video of a premature opening while a jumper exits a twin otter.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BS8q92o_-4

[Blue Side Down]

I think it's pretty neat that the jumpers who bail out after the spin has stabilized really do get flung away from the axis of rotation. I always wondered about that. It'd be a real bummer to bail out and have the airframe come back and smack into you on the next rotation.

[magyar]

okeay... sorry i thought that video was fake, who knows what to believe nowadays. It was just not something i wanted in mind as the jump season opening is next week(for some DZs).

well It will make me tighten my parachute and remind the DZs to make sure that the parachute that the pilot wears is repacked every season, just in case we do have to jump, we dont want any books and cans falling out of the pack as we pull the handle like in the cartoons

[Brewguy]

...and remind the DZs to make sure that the parachute that the pilot wears is repacked every season, just in case we do have to jump, we dont want any books and cans falling out of the pack as we pull the handle like in the cartoons

I thought it was supposed to be done every 'x' days (90 or 120 or something like that). I can't recall, I just remember back to the aerobatic FTU, I'd take the chutes to be inspected and repacked more than once in a season. There is a little log card on/in the pack that's signed off whenever its repacked.

[Brewguy]

Here is a video of a premature opening while a jumper exits a twin otter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BS8q92o_-4

Scary. A buddy of mine flew twin otters for a DZ a few years back. Went to visit him at work one day, and he took my wife & I up with him for a ride. He didn't wear a chute, and neither did we.

[magyar]

So is there any factual confirmation on the video clip

It look like a planned out stunt with some irregular carmera angles. The thing that made me think is that planes like the pilatus porter can chase the jumpers(and even exceed/beat some the jumpers back to the dz) very high decent rate capabilities. The image of the plane (crashing) in the end of the clip just might be a jumper opening a parachute, the image is not clear enough to confirm. what do you guys say...

[Hedley]

He didn't wear a chute, and neither did we

That's the thing - people often simply don't understand that they are operating at a very high level of risk during a particular activity, or during a particular phase of an activity. This isn't about the rules, it's about the laws of physics.

For example, would you play russian roulette while you drank and drive without wearing seatbelts after having unprotected sex and sharing a needle with a really scary looking hooker?

[Brewguy]

I believe the pilots at that particular DZ would wear chutes when flying smaller (single engine) a/c; but not when flying the twotter or casa. Perhaps there was a perception of greater safety in the bigger a/c ... I honestly can't say, as I didn't hang around there much. Only stopped off briefly on occasion to drop off or pick up chutes.

While on the subject, I've noticed some groups of glider pilots who wear chutes every time they fly. That always struck me as odd. I personally don't see soaring as being that much of a high risk activity - no more than buzzing around in your 172.

So, when does it make sense to wear them? The obvious ones appear to be for aerobatics and jumper dumping ... are there other times / types of flying where its common practice?

[TG]

So is there any factual confirmation on the video clip

It look like a planned out stunt with some irregular carmera angles. The thing that made me think is that planes like the pilatus porter can chase the jumpers(and even exceed/beat some the jumpers back to the dz) very high decent rate capabilities. The image of the plane (crashing) in the end of the clip just might be a jumper opening a parachute, the image is not clear enough to confirm. what do you guys say...

I want the same stuff you are smoking



Actually no.
If you care to, read the all the posts above and you will get a good idea of what we are saying about this....

[Hedley]

don't see soaring as being that much of a high risk activity - no more than buzzing around in your 172

I doubt all the 172's at your field all try to crowd into the same thermal at the same time

Mid-air collisions are quite common with gliders, and not just between gliders. They can be very, very hard to see.

This guy would be dead without a chute:

http://www.mindensoaringclub.com/int2/i ... 0&Itemid=1

And look at what his glider hit:



Again, people simply don't understand when they are exposing themselves to a very high level of risk, and when they are not. This is clear from re-reading this thread.

[robbreid]

That Hawker is built like a tank, and the lady flying it did an amazing job. Maybe best Hawker landing ever!!!

The Japanese tourist!!, in the glider should have turned on his transponder and this would not have happened.

Common sense, or I should say lack of!!!!

[cgzro]

I had my emergency chute pop open one afternoon just as I was climbing out of the plane. Those things really shoot far with that big coil spring. My rigger showed me what had gone wrong. Basically every time I sat and got up the pin moved a tiny bit out of the string loop that holds it all together. Anyway preflight for acro now cosists of popping the flap that covers the pins and wiggling them to their max depth in the string loops.

Concerning gliders and chutes. They hit each other in thermals. Be crazy not to wear one.

[Louis]

In my case I was told that pilots were required to wear a chute because of CSPA's liability insurance policy.
I would have worn one no matter what because of the possibility of being stuck in an uncontrollable, unrecoverable airplane.

Oh, and while we're on this topic, have you guys heard of the "Caterpillar Club"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Club

Goodbye,

Louis

[iflyforpie]

That Hawker is built like a tank, and the lady flying it did an amazing job. Maybe best Hawker landing ever!!!

The Japanese tourist!!, in the glider should have turned on his transponder and this would not have happened.

Common sense, or I should say lack of!!!!

Most gliders don't have transponders, as the only source for power is batteries or solar cells.


That being said, they are just about impossible to see even at 172 closing speeds. Combine that with poor radiotelephony, beeping varios, dying radios, and poor procedures (they only have right of way at the same altitude, but will try and pull the glider 'trump' card any time they can); gliders are the biggest hazard I face flying at my field during the summer.

[SuperchargedRS]

Well speaking as someone who tows gliders, I feel safer around the gliders then flying patterns in a 172 puppy mill airport.

[Blue Side Down]

Most gliders don't have transponders, as the only source for power is batteries or solar cells.

Actually.... many serious glider pilots/ owners who thermal/ ride mountain wave/ operate in high traffic areas *do* indeed have transponders such as the Trigg model or similar. Jets and gliders have a long history of near misses, and then one day long ago a light bulb went off above someone's head that installing a txpdr and showing up on the fishfinders in jets would be a novel idea and a new trend began. Pilots initially hemmed and hawed because spending $4000 to avoid a midair that would destroy a $80,000 glider and use up a $50 repack or open a hundred thousand dollar life insurance claim was such a pain... these days its trending to be par for the course for serious pilots.

[Blue Side Down]

I believe the pilots at that particular DZ would wear chutes when flying smaller (single engine) a/c; but not when flying the twotter or casa. Perhaps there was a perception of greater safety in the bigger a/c ... I honestly can't say, as I didn't hang around there much. Only stopped off briefly on occasion to drop off or pick up chutes.

That Otter in the video didn't seem to mind that it had a 120 sq ft piece of nylon on its tail. If you watch closely, it tears to shreds and departs after about six seconds.

The bigger machines aren't so much an issue because their higher power to weight ratio and larger relative wing areas and control surfaces make for a significantly larger operating envelope.

[robbreid]

However in the case of the Hawker/Glider mid-air - the glider was equipped with a transponder, the pilot choose not to turn it on, as the glider was rented, he was unaware how much power the two batteries had left because of other pilots using the aircraft earlier in the day. Regulations state a Mode C transponder isn't required, however if one is installed, it is supposed to be turned on.

The Hawker pilot saw the glider at the last second and moved the control yoke down and to the right - that split second reaction most likely saved everybody, never mind the gear up landing that followed.

NTSB completed report

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[RenegadeAV8R]

CC-PJE is a Comp Air 7:

http://www.modocharlie.com/2007/11/ater ... melipilla/

If someone could translate...

Here is an automated Google Spanish to English translation:

"The plane Comp Air 7, registration CC-PJE SA Sustainabilty (C / n 1) underwent an emergency in flight, landing this afternoon on a parcel located near the city of rock. The problem was caused by a technical failure (*), which led, according to preliminary information, the four parachutists jump from the aircraft, its pilot being the only one who was slightly injured. Fortunately the pilot managed to bring the plane to land, although no casualties were reported, the plane ended up with damage. Great loss, the CC-PJE, since this aircraft was completed to join this year, and was an alternative for those who practice sport parachuting.

Tobalaba photo plane (SCTB), on 18 August this year.
Update: the plane crashed, and the paratroopers jumped, one of them took with him the pilot. More details http://www.24horas.cl

(*) While no concrete results of research, not for us to venture guesses let alone subdue anyone. The only being valid for the DGAC deliver results through its Office of Accident Investigation. That is clear."