Renewing expired Instructor Rating-Schools Policy

[Pete]

I have an expired rating, and will not be renewing with the school I did my training at. I have used the rating over the last couple of years, its just recently expired.

Has anyone been in this situation? In this case what does the average school ask for/look for before they reccomend you (assuming average skill etc)?

I don't want to run through every lesson again...if thats the norm, I may consider just leaving it expired. Any input, past experiences with this are welcome!

[vrrotate]

Surprisingly the CARS stipulate what is required to renew an instructor rating... you'll fall into (a), (b) or (c). I suppose (a)?

421.66 Renewal of Flight Instructor Rating

...

(3)

(a) Where a flight instructor rating is or has been valid within the preceding 12 months, an applicant for renewal shall successfully complete a flight test for the appropriate flight instructor rating.
(amended 2000/09/01; previous version)

(b) Where a flight instructor rating has been invalid for more than 12 months but less than 24 months, an applicant for renewal shall:
(amended 1998/09/01; previous version)

(i) provide a recommendation from the holder of a Class 1 Flight Instructor Rating in the appropriate category indicating that the applicant is considered competent to undertake an instructor flight test; and

(ii) successfully complete a flight test for the appropriate flight instructor rating.
(amended 2000/09/01; previous version)

(c) Where a flight instructor rating has been invalid for more than 24 months, an applicant for renewal shall:
(amended 1998/09/01; previous version)

(i) provide a recommendation from the holder of a Class 1 Flight Instructor Rating in the appropriate category indicating that the applicant is considered competent to complete the written examination(s) and undertake an instructor flight test;

(ii) successfully complete the examination requirement set forth under Knowledge for the appropriate flight instructor rating; and

(iii) successfully complete a flight test for the appropriate flight instructor rating.
(amended 2000/09/01; previous version)


So if (a) is the case then you don't need any recommendation. Just do the flight test.

[GTODD]

If you don’t mind me asking, do you have an instructing job lined up? If not, then it might not be worth renewing. It seems that there are a lot of unemployed instructors and not a lot of job openings right now. I have a number of friends with instructor ratings who are getting very frustrated with the lack of opportunities out there...hopefully it picks up in the summer...

[Pete]

I am familiar with the regs regarding validity periods, I am more or less interested in what a school is going to want to see before they sign a reccomend.

I may have something lined up, either way, it will be nice to have it valid should something pop up in the future. If it's cheap to renew (ie. not running through the whole course again) I would prefer that.

But if Mr Class 1 is going to want to see Ex.1-24 before he says ok, then its not worth it to me. Whats most peoples experiences?

[GTODD]

Well if by "just recently expired" you mean within the last 12 months, then you won't need Mr. Class 1 to sign a recommend for you.

[loopa]

Well if by "just recently expired" you mean within the last 12 months, then you won't need Mr. Class 1 to sign a recommend for you.

Correction, yes he does.

How can an instructor rating be expired "WITHIN" 12 months from the date of issue? Unless it's administrative suspension Otherwise that makes no sense. When an instructor rating is issued, it has 12 months before it gets expired or like the medical, up until the first day of the 13th month. Paragraph (a) is referring to people who currently have a VALID instructor rating within the preceeding 12 months. These are the people who simply have to call TC and book a flight test. Although if you've been an inactive instructor, it's a great idea to do a few refresher's with your class 1. For a class 4 getting his/her class 3 rating means he/she gets an extra 12 months from the date of issue until he/she has to renew it again.

As far as my comprehension of it goes, if an instructor rating is expired, that means "PROCEEDING" 12 months. So given that his instructor rating "just expired" then yes, he would need a recommend as stated by paragraph B (i).

As for the original question Pete,

It all depends on your competence in the material that is to be flight tested and ultimately taught. Like we all know, the flight test isn't a simulation of the real world, at least I never found it that way. It's a perfect simulation.

If you've been an experienced instructor, you should find that getting back the groove isn't hard. If you have always had a tough time with instructing, well this will be no different. Your best bet is to go to a class 1, tell him your story, go in for a session or two for him/her to see where you're at. I believe that from there, you will get a more valuable definition as to how long it will take for you to renew.

[Aviatard]

Well if by "just recently expired" you mean within the last 12 months, then you won't need Mr. Class 1 to sign a recommend for you.

Correction, yes he does.

How can an instructor rating be expired "WITHIN" 12 months from the date of issue? Unless it's administrative suspension Otherwise that makes no sense. When an instructor rating is issued, it has 12 months before it gets expired or like the medical, up until the first day of the 13th month. Paragraph (a) is referring to people who currently have a VALID instructor rating within the preceeding 12 months. These are the people who simply have to call TC and book a flight test. Although if you've been an inactive instructor, it's a great idea to do a few refresher's with your class 1. For a class 4 getting his/her class 3 rating means he/she gets an extra 12 months from the date of issue until he/she has to renew it again.

As far as my comprehension of it goes, if an instructor rating is expired, that means "PROCEEDING" 12 months. So given that his instructor rating "just expired" then yes, he would need a recommend as stated by paragraph B (i).

Read it again. The reg does not say "issued in the previous 12 months." It says "has been valid in the previous 12 months." Example: your rating expired January 1, 2010. You want to renew on May 1, 2010. You do not need a recommend until January 1, 2011. Also, proceeding and preceding are two entirely different things.

[Big Pistons Forever]

I am a class 1 instructor and in this situation (assuming a Class 3 expired more than 12 months) teh process would start with a 2 to 3 hour ground briefing. I would start with general questions on Part 4 of the CARS and licensing requirements, Part 1 of the FIG, lesson plan organization, and aircraft performance and aerodynamics. I would then have the candidate present a complete PGI and preflight briefing for one presolo exercise and one post solo exercise. Based on how that went I would make an asseement on whether we go to the airplane or more ground work is required. If the ground work goes well, than a hour in the air should be plenty to review a few air exercises and after reviewing post flight debrief he/she should be good to go. Like every thing else in instructing the better preapred the student is the faster it is going to go.

[patter]

If you have the time, why don't you find a school that will let you sit in on the active instructor's prep for their students. And if you can sit in on some PPL Ground School. It's usually free. Then when you do your ride, you make sure you tell the inspector you did that as a piece of preparation for the ride!
Happy Easter!

[Pete]

I am a class 1 instructor and in this situation (assuming a Class 3 expired more than 12 months) teh process would start with a 2 to 3 hour ground briefing. I would start with general questions on Part 4 of the CARS and licensing requirements, Part 1 of the FIG, lesson plan organization, and aircraft performance and aerodynamics. I would then have the candidate present a complete PGI and preflight briefing for one presolo exercise and one post solo exercise. Based on how that went I would make an asseement on whether we go to the airplane or more ground work is required. If the ground work goes well, than a hour in the air should be plenty to review a few air exercises and after reviewing post flight debrief he/she should be good to go. Like every thing else in instructing the better preapred the student is the faster it is going to go.

Thanks BPF, that is in line with what I was looking for. Thanks to everyone else aswell

[loopa]

Well if by "just recently expired" you mean within the last 12 months, then you won't need Mr. Class 1 to sign a recommend for you.

Correction, yes he does.

How can an instructor rating be expired "WITHIN" 12 months from the date of issue? Unless it's administrative suspension Otherwise that makes no sense. When an instructor rating is issued, it has 12 months before it gets expired or like the medical, up until the first day of the 13th month. Paragraph (a) is referring to people who currently have a VALID instructor rating within the preceeding 12 months. These are the people who simply have to call TC and book a flight test. Although if you've been an inactive instructor, it's a great idea to do a few refresher's with your class 1. For a class 4 getting his/her class 3 rating means he/she gets an extra 12 months from the date of issue until he/she has to renew it again.

As far as my comprehension of it goes, if an instructor rating is expired, that means "PROCEEDING" 12 months. So given that his instructor rating "just expired" then yes, he would need a recommend as stated by paragraph B (i).

Read it again. The reg does not say "issued in the previous 12 months." It says "has been valid in the previous 12 months." Example: your rating expired January 1, 2010. You want to renew on May 1, 2010. You do not need a recommend until January 1, 2011. Also, proceeding and preceding are two entirely different things.

Really? for some reason I was always under the assumption that VALID in the preceding 12 months meant from the date of issue, not the date of expiry.


Thanks for the correction.

[Pete]

BPF maybe you could chime in on this one again,

CAR 421.65 states: period of validity

(2) Class 3

The initial Class 3 Flight Instructor Rating shall be issued valid to the first day of the twenty-fifth month following the month in which the most recent instructor flight test was conducted.
(amended 2003/06/01; previous version)

In the case of a renewal by flight test, would I be good for another two years? This is one that I can seem to dig up in the CAR's. It says how I can renew. And the standard above throws me off because it says initial...

[Big Pistons Forever]

The only date that matters is the date on your license. The clock starts after that date.

[Aeros]

In the case of a renewal by flight test, would I be good for another two years? This is one that I can seem to dig up in the CAR's. It says how I can renew. And the standard above throws me off because it says initial...

Yes, a renewal of Class 3 instructor Rating will be valid for two years.

[Walker]

The only date that matters is the date on your license. The clock starts after that date.

correct;

I have renewed my ticket twice in the past AFTER it had gone limp; neither time was I asked for a letter from a Class 1....

if you feel ready, call TC and book a ride, that simple........
Now if you botch the ride... im not 100% sure what happens after that;

[Pete]

Cheers Aeros