New Aircraft!!

[dominusanopheles]

I just acquired a Piper Warrior! Hope to have pics soon after some paint work done on it. Really proud of the buy.

Anyone have any maintenance tips for this particular aircraft? I have a Cessna 150, so the transition from a Continental to a Lycoming seems overwhelming as there seems to be way more additives for Lycoming. Suggestions?

Btw, they're also available for block time (CYKZ)

[co-joe]

Congrats. Enjoy the new bird.

[dominusanopheles]

Hey Thanks! Anyone have any experience with the Castrol Aviation oil? I saw their booth at the Hamilton Air Expo, and I'm pondering switching to it from Aeroshell. (mind you costs ARE substantially cheaper...less than $4 a quart)...I currently use Aeroshell and Avblend.

[Hawkeye4077]

An old mechanic once told me: There is only one brand of oil for airplanes and it`s Aeroshell.

4$/ quarts / +-5h/Quarts = .80c / hr..

Congrats on the new bird.. I love Pipers

Hawk

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"Never feel sorry for a man who owns a plane. "

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119051/quotes

SWEEEET!!!

(I don't feel sorry for you.)

-istp

[ez4u2say]

Aeroshell 15W50 by the case from bulk dealer $92.74 plus $4.64 tax..(I pick mine up in AB so only 5% tax)..total for 12 lt $97.38... that's $8.11..I agree it's expensive but it's better than the cost of an overhaul..

[iflyforpie]

Fuel and oil are two of the cheapest preventative maintenance additives for your aircraft.

Use the highest quality of each and use lots (fly lots, change your oil lots). Your plane is going to cost you anyways if it sits and this way you get some enjoyment out of it.

I would recommend using Aeroshell W100 in the summer since it doesn't tend to break down at high temps (particularly bad for Lycs) and it is cheaper than most multi-grades anyways. Use 15W50 for the winter.

[ragbagflyer]

Congrats on the second happiest day of your life!

[iflyforpie]

Congrats on the second happiest day of your life!

The happiest day is when you sell it...

[dcabrown]

haha.

Someone find me a Warrior, I want one!!

[Kilo-Kilo]

I have recently been wondering why there is a homebuilder's forum here but not a certified private aircraft owner's forum. Would it not be popular? Most of the owner threads get lost in the general forum.

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I have recently been wondering why there is a homebuilder's forum here but not a certified private aircraft owner's forum. Would it not be popular? Most of the owner threads get lost in the general forum.

I think that's a great idea!

+1

[Hedley]

recommend using Aeroshell W100 in the summer

Excellent advice. I really don't like running multi-grades in the summer in private aircraft aren't flown every day, because that multi-grade oil - which is thin at room temps - runs off the engine much faster than straight grade, and can result in more corrosion and metal-to-metal at startup.

The expensive multi-grades are fantastic for Canadian winters - I personally prefer Aeroshell 15w50 - it has the Lycoming LW16072 extreme pressure additive which is required by AD for the infamous "H" engines, and is good for any Lycoming camshaft!

But during the summer, I like to run Aeroshell W100plus which unlike W100 also has the LW16072 in it. It's cheaper than multi-grade, and protects against corrosion better in the summer for infrequently-flown aircraft that sit unused for a week or two.

If it gets really, really hot - OAT 30C to 35C - I like to start topping up with quarts of W120 (sae 60W) to try to keep the viscosity at the higher oil temps. A half and half cocktail of W100plus and W120 will give you an SAE 55W with some LW16072, which is a pretty darned good oil for hot wx for a flat engine.

When you start to see 250F on the oil temps - anyone else here do banner tow, or jumper dumping? - W100 is the absolute minimum viscosity you want to use, and W120 is better. These straight grades are cheaper than multi-grade, and withstand extreme temps better. Hard to argue with that choice.

[dominusanopheles]

Thanks for the advice guys!

And I'd say it was my THIRD happiest day of my life! First happiest day was buying my first aircraft. Second happiest day was ending a relationship with a girlfriend that was a complete downer. Third happiest day was buying my second aircraft!

I absolutely agree with using the W100...I use that as well. I'm not sure if Castrol's AD100 is comparative though. Anyone had experience with it? I've visited http://www.castrolaviator.com/testimonials.html, but again, I'm sure I'd find similar testimonies for any oil company! (LOL)

Cheers!

[PAJ]

I have recently been wondering why there is a homebuilder's forum here but not a certified private aircraft owner's forum. Would it not be popular? Most of the owner threads get lost in the general forum.

I think that's a great idea!

+1

+2

I recently discussed this idea (offline) with sky's the limit and he said that he was going to run it by Joe.

[Fredster]

i visited piper's shop in florida ...

I must say they have beautifull birds there.

[dominusanopheles]

That IS BEAUTIFUL!

[Blakey]

I just acquired a Piper Warrior! Hope to have pics soon after some paint work done on it. Really proud of the buy.

IDQ?

[kamikaze]

dominusanopheles, I own a warrior, based in Ottawa. I'm sure we could get to swap lots of info, PM me

For the oil, I use W100 + ASL Camguard. Definitely use season specific oils, NOT 15W50, way too liquidy ... When I first bought my Warrior, that's the oil it came with, and it was spewing it all out the bottom.

With W100, clean belly

As for other things, depends on what's been don eon it already. The aluminum battery cables are a common one in Pipers, though most pipers have already had those replace. Look up SB1006, regarding corrosion on the wing spars.

Other than that, GREAT bird, ditch that 150

[Flaps 1 Billion]

How much for the block time?

[dominusanopheles]

Thanks kamikaze! I did PM you

and Flaps 1 Billion, I also PM'd you Generally I do $75/hr dry.

Has anyone used TCP? I've been recommended STP (the car one), not sure if I should use it though.

[Hedley]

If you run Aeroshell 15w50 or Aeroshell W100plus, you don't need to add TCP, because an equivalent extreme pressure additive - IIRC LW16072 - is already in the oil.

NB TCP is reqd by AD on the infamous "H2AD" engines, for the lifter / lobe spalling problem, but is not a bad idea for any Lycoming, because their weakest link is the lifter & cam lobe.

IMHO The best thing you can do for your engine is fly it every week. Most owners would disagree - they often let their aircraft sit for months at a time between flights. Just drive around any airport and you can often see them tied down outside, with the flat tires and bird's nests.

[dominusanopheles]

Thanks Hedley. I've flown it 5x in the past ten days, so not tooo worried about letting it sit. There's an aztec i've seen that looks like it hasn't been touched in many many manyyyy years....it wouldn't even be worth it to repair it. Do you know any good lead scavengers? Other than the Alcor product.