Float plane crashes off B.C. with up to four on board

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Re: Float plane crashes off B.C. with up to four on board

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Sulako wrote:I called my boss and he told me to fly the plane home, and that the flap would "probably tuck itself up back into position" once I got going fast enough. I declined, and he told me I could sleep in the plane overnight.
Good call!
It seems to me that drunk pax pretty much = violence, which can easily escalate to life-or-death in a small plane. I'm not saying that was the cause here, obviously we don't have all the details yet, but it's certainly something to think about for pilots who might not have been in that situation before - for your own safety, let the pax sleep it off before agreeing to do the trip.
It is also, of course, illegal to carry drunk passengers:

Alcohol or Drugs - Passengers

602.04 (4) Subject to subsection (5), no operator of an aircraft shall allow a person to board the aircraft, where there are reasonable grounds to believe that the person's faculties are impaired by alcohol or a drug to an extent that may present a hazard to the aircraft or to persons on board the aircraft.

(5) The operator of an aircraft may allow a person whose faculties are impaired by a drug to board an aircraft, where the drug was administered in accordance with a medical authorization and the person is under the supervision of an attendant.
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Re: Float plane crashes off B.C. with up to four on board

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Yeah Right,

If the Whitey pilot or dispatcher refuses to fly the intoxicated native passengers he then becomes a racist .

Wake up Canada. Its time to call a spade a spade.
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"Its time to call a spade a spade"

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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let me think alive and called a racist, and of course if alive one would be able to defend such comment only a dull shovel head could find humor in.... OR a dead racist and have the likes of some on this site, revealing their own low self esteem. by blaming the people who were DRUNK...get it they were DRUNK how many good decisions have you made whilst drunk, was the pilot DRUNK??? No you say....yeah blame the people who were drunk.
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Speaking of drunks.....
Tuk U wrote:let me think alive and called a racist, and of course if alive one would be able to defend such comment only a dull shovel head could find humor in.... OR a dead racist and have the likes of some on this site, revealing their own low self esteem. by blaming the people who were DRUNK...get it they were DRUNK how many good decisions have you made whilst drunk, was the pilot DRUNK??? No you say....yeah blame the people who were drunk.
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Re: Float plane crashes off B.C. with up to four on board

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Ogee wrote:
Invertago wrote:Global news quoted John Baird as saying he's had enough and is promising to make the float industry safer.

I'm crossing my fingers, but he is after all a politician so we'll see what happens when the media moves on.
<snip>

But if it leads to action, however late and however stupid it makes Baird look for connecting it to float plane specific problems, its some good that can come from this awful event.
So very, very true.

Thank you Ogee, and all of you who understand why I keep trying - whether you agree with me or not.
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At least I'm a dry drunk :smt040
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Re: Float plane crashes off B.C. with up to four on board

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Because of that am out of a job........! (not allowing a pasenger compromised)

So widow has a point!
The issue I feel not with the pilots but the operators!!!!

Transport Canada, can only do so much!!!!!!
I knew Damien and can say he was a great guy!!!
So sad!
My condolences to all................
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tempo wrote:Because of that am out of a job........! (not allowing a pasenger compromised)

So widow has a point!
The issue I feel not with the pilots but the operators!!!!

Transport Canada, can only do so much!!!!!!
I knew Damien and can say he was a great guy!!!
So sad!
My condolences to all................
In that case, the solution is maybe to get together with your fellow pilots and agree with each other that you will not be pressured into breaking the rules by your shady boss. Or, just report him to TC and find a better job.
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Re: Float plane crashes off B.C. with up to four on board

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From the Westcoaster.ca published today:

Atleo Air Owner Speaks About Crash Investigation, Reaction From Community

Published Date: 2010/6/2 10:52:18
Article ID : 7873
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By Keven Drews

TOFINO — Within 36 hours of a crash that claimed the lives of a float-plane pilot and his three passengers, the small community of Ahousat was rallying behind the victims’ families. More than 300 people turned out Sunday night to the Thunderbird Hall in Ahousat to support the families and coworkers of pilot Damon York, 33, Katrina English (Sam), 22, Edward Sam, 28 and Samantha Mattersdorfer, 24. The four died Saturday afternoon when the Atleo River Air Service Cessna 185 they were in crashed into the ocean near Ahousat. “That’s just how the community pulls together,” said Jason Bertin, owner of Atleo River Air Service. “It was very emotional for everybody.”
Attending the event were York’s father and mother, sister, partner Rima Mara, and co-workers, family members and friends of English, Sam and Mattersdorfer, as well as hereditary chiefs and elected council members. Band members fed the guests salmon, pasta and a variety of other dishes and gave speeches.
At one point, said Bertin, hereditary chiefs placed traditional native blankets on the family members of those lost in the crash. “Time was at a standstill,” added Misty Lawson, also of Atleo River Air Service.
Bertin said he left with one message: take care, walk slow and keep your children as close to you as you can.

Back in Tofino, meantime, community members began decorating the pilot’s Toyota 4Runner, which was parked on Main Street, with flowers. The events were brief bright spots in a weekend dominated by tragedy. Saturday’s crash took place just after noon – only minutes after the plane took off for Ahousat from Tofino on an approximately six-minute flight. Emergency officials have reported the plane nose dived into the water. By 1:30 p.m., said Bertin, Transportation Safety Board officials were talking to Atleo Air.

Bertin said investigators know the engine was running at power. He said they also found the control and surface cables still intact. The company recently put in new cables and replaced the top end of the engine, said Bertin.

“They did come up with some alcohol on board,” he added. Just how much, Bertin doesn’t know.
“What is reported is two bags, and what was in those they don’t know.” Running rampant around town now are rumors alcohol somehow played a role in the accident, and Bertin said people are beginning “to paint an ugly picture.” “We hear the same rumours about the alcohol as everybody else has,” he added. “It’s important to focus on all the factors. “We don’t want people to run wild with this alcohol thing. If it’s the case, it may come out.” What’s important, he said, is finding a cause of the accident.

Meantime, Bertin and Lawson spoke highly of York’s worth ethic. Bertin said he hired York about four years ago as a mechanic and called him a talented aircraft engineer. Lawson said he was extremely smart and could “fix and solve problems like nobody we’ve ever known.” “Damon was a good, safe pilot,” she said. “He knew what he was doing and he was cautious.”
“He was a big part of Atleo Air.”

Remains of the plane are currently at the TSB in Richmond. “It’s been horrible,” said Bertin, when asked to describe the last few days. “There’s been moments when I can’t describe it without stumbling with description. “I just can’t believe it happened. You try to sleep and you just don’t know if you’re dreaming or awake.”

A memorial service will take place Friday at 3 p.m. in Tofino at the Royal Legion, 331 Main St.

A Facebook page has also been set up for York. Visit it at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1 ... 7821099..1
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Re: Float plane crashes off B.C. with up to four on board

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I think it may have been discussed on another thread but this will close out this one...

http://tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/a ... 0p0147.asp

Findings as to Causes and Contributing Factors
1.It is likely that passenger interference caused the pilot to lose control of the aircraft whereupon it descended in a steep nose-down attitude until it struck the water.
2.It is possible the passengers' level of intoxication contributed to their inability to recognize the gravity of the situation and stop the interference in time for the pilot to regain control of the aircraft before impact.
3.Because there was no locking mechanism on the pilot's seatback, and because the pilot was not wearing his shoulder strap, he would have been unable to prevent his upper body from being forced onto the instrument panel.

Findings as to Risk
1.When controls are accessible to passengers there is a risk of inadvertent control manipulation and a risk of the pilot losing control of the aircraft.
2.When upper body restraint systems are not used there is a risk of serious head injury in the event of an accident.
3.When cargo or passengers' baggage is not restrained, there is a risk of unsecured items injuring persons on board in the event of sudden aircraft stoppage or encounters with severe turbulence.

Other Finding
1.Post-impact survival issues such as egress and flotation were not relevant in this accident.
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