Jazz pilots contract?

[Flying Low]

Roadshows to introduce the deal to the rank and file start tomorrow and run through the 29th. Voting should take place shortly there after.

[Localizer]

You are seriously wasting your time. The sooner you realize that pilots have egos bigger then they can carry the better off you are. I do agree that some of the egotistic views we have are justified, but at the same time there are tons of pilots with egos too big to fit through the cockpit door. We're not doctors boys! Now everyone stop with the commander junk and move on. If you want to be called "commander" then go to the military!!!!! End of story!

Rog Commander!

[Troubleshot]

Troubleshot .. everyone has an ego in this industry .. even wrench monkey's such as yourself .. so get over it and move on. If it makes you feel better we'll refer to you as the commander of the hangar or MIC (monkey in command) .. I hope that makes you feel better in your quest to be equal with the sky god's.



Loc

Excellent, my point made about ego's....and I didn't even have to write it. Monkey's eh.....

[dash2/3]

ok you commanders and monkeys...

an attempt to get back to the topic of the thread againnnnnnnnn. sighhhh. like children in a playground.

you'll probably see new language in the contract and circumstances stemming from the TA reached between Jazz and pilots union that will negate the need to hire anymore than 1 out of the 4 classes, if any at all, in this latest round of optimism.

the money to keep the pilots from walking has to come from somewhere.

it'll be interesting to see the results of the roadshow...

[mbav8r]

the money to keep the pilots from walking has to come from somewhere.

Yes, it's called from the profits. If you think the MEC would bring back something that means we work harder for more money, essentially ,NO Raise, then you need to give your head a shake. We already have such a thing, it's called overtime. The idea behind a raise, wait for it.... it's more money for the same work.
Anyway, roadshows start today so we'll find out soon enough, in the meantime stop trying to worry the pilots who interviewed and are waiting for a spot.

[Black Cat]

if they cancel the hiring, cancel the 57's. The pilots for the CPA have to come from somewhere

Speaking of the 57's, I wonder when ALPA will negotiate the new pay scale for us. I remember hearing that it is two separate negotiations.


Cant wait for the roadshow tonight, cautiously optimistic.

[mbav8r]

troubleshot wrote;
You know it is just fine by me that you guys want all these titles, hey what ever floats your boat. I can fix cars, heavy equipment, ground equipment, boats, I can do house hold electrical, carpentry, etc...you name it I have fixed it in one form or another but I would never come here and boast on an aviation site claiming I am all of those trades.....why? cause it makes me look like I have a small wang and a ego problem.

I fail to see your point, by listing those things are you not boasting about them. Guess what,
I can also do those things aswell I've operated just about every piece of equipment you can think of, I do all my renovations, electrical etc, i've rebuilt a 350 small block, 400 big block and a 302 from the block up.. and I can fly an airplane.So my wang and ego are bigger than yours... You also failed to see that in the flying world there is a PIC and SIC, so are you saying the important part of the acronym in the latter, would be "second"? Last time I checked, I'm still a pilot but as an FO, I am considered second in "command" or the first officer after the "commander"
Sorry on behalf of myself and hopefully other pilots who repsect what you do to keep us in the sky. You should be given more respect than being compared to a monkey. I almost went your route, I had an opportunity to apprentice years ago, but they wanted a guarantee that I wouldn't pursue flying as a career, after they invested 4 years in me(understandably so) I couldn't do that so that was that.
Respect, however, goes both ways
I guess in the US, they gave guns to pilots for show aswell. I'm sure that decision was taken lightly."well they're up there anyway so they might aswell have guns to"

[Troubleshot]

Well all the things I listed I do very well (Maybe you to I don't know) but you missed my point about listing that stuff, plus V8 engine build ups while fun are not very difficult (or any piston engine for that matter), but props to you for your hobby and skill.....plus I can fix and release aircraft , you can't...so your wang is not bigger than mine just cause you can fly it. They already have planes that fly without pilots in them, don't see them getting fixed remotely....calm down that is ment as a humourous jab....

Anyway it's obvious to me you guys really want this handle of "commander"....for what reason I don't know, but hey fill your boots. I will start calling pilots I meet on turns "commander" and see what kinda looks I get.

Good luck in your contract talks.

[Localizer]

Excellent, my point made about ego's....and I didn't even have to write it. Monkey's eh.....

You should be given more respect than being compared to a monkey.

Guys .. its called tongue and cheek ... relax Pedro

I think everyone in aviation should under-go sensitivity training .. and not the her-ass-meant kind ..

[Jazzpilot07]

It is embarrassing to see what they came up with!

Captains $5/hr incr. $18/hr by 2014
FO's $2/hr incr. $4/hr by 2014


OH yeah, just for you NEW-Hires out there YOU WILL GET PAYED more (+10% on current rate) 1st year; 2nd year a wooping 7%, and for the guys after that 4.5%

And they have the BALLS to say that the FO's got the BEST deal in the hole TA.

You guys got BALLS, and you take 2 1/2 years to come up with .........

And you call that an Career contract ????? Sorry, but............NO - try again

NO NO NO NO NO NO TRY AGAIN I SAY

[proper]

ok back to contract... no specifics yet for you guys but... YAHOOOOOOOO!!!

[Chuck Yeagermister]

I agree the pay scale in this contract blows! After all the talk and hype and its still a 12 year pay scale. Career contract I dont think so! I will be voting NO. And to think that these are 757 wages aswell makes me sick!

[RFN]

Let's at least try to keep the specifics on the ALPA board until the vote is over.

[mbav8r]

Guys, you have to take all things into account. I did the math and even though I fall into the F/O scale with the lowest increase, I'll take home(money in my pocket) alot more every month. What the hell do you expect, don't forget this is initially, those raises are incremental. Again no specifics on a public forum.
And I guess someone forgot how status pay works, we will have the equivilant of 3 fulltime 757s initially, 3 fuckin planes divided by 1500 pilots, if you don't think it pays enough stay on the rj or dash and enjoy your industry leading pay. Myself, I think I'd rather work 9-10 days a month for the same pay as the ones working 14-15.
I was one of the biggest anti Joe walk the line just because of management's greed vocals out there, I'm still anti Joe but I think it's a decent contract, not the best but decent.

If you want to discuss numbers go into the private forum or ALPA board but Jazzpilot07 you posted some incorrect info, I took notes, it seems to me your working from memory and anger usually clouds the memory.

[whipline]

Out of curiosity, does this contract bring you back to the pay/benefit level you had before CCAA?

[Chuck Yeagermister]

52-60 a year flying a 757 right seat at my pay level! Yes I know its status pay lol.

[Lost in Saigon]

Out of curiosity, does this contract bring you back to the pay/benefit level you had before CCAA?

This contract brings brings the JAZZ pilots well above preCCAA levels. They snapped backed to preCCAA pay in 2008 and actually enjoyed a 1% increase BEFORE this contract.

Air Canada pilots have not had any real increases during this time, and are still receiving approx 20-40% less than preCCAA pay and benefits.

EXAMPLE: Many 767 Captains coming up to retirement had their best 5 years many years ago on the A320.

[yycflyguy]

Out of curiosity, does this contract bring you back to the pay/benefit level you had before CCAA?

This contract brings brings the JAZZ pilots well above preCCAA levels. They snapped backed to preCCAA pay in 2008 and actually enjoyed a 1% increase BEFORE this contract.

Air Canada pilots have not had any real increases during this time, and are still receiving approx 20-40% less than preCCAA pay and benefits.

EXAMPLE: Many 767 Captains coming up to retirement had their best 5 years many years ago on the A320.

... and that aint gonna change anytime soon.

[flyinhigh]

I love how certain pilots from Jazz come here, start a new handle cause they got no back bone to take the flagging for not knowing shit about what was precented. Seriously go back to that hole you came from with the ACTUAL numbers cause what you posted is not what it there.

Go ahead vote NO, see what you get arbitrated to that by the gouverment, than lets see you be happy.

Over all this is an awesome contract, pay yeah not as good as I thought. But EVERYTHING else brings it up to be great, the perdiems, pension, benefits, PDO, time bank, etc.

[countryhick]

Pension improvements alone should be a yes vote!!!

[Black Cat]

Jazz07...what you smokin? those numbers you posted are not correct.

[El Comat]

Pension improvements alone should be a yes vote!!!

Exactly. Even for guys with only 10 years left, it'll be at least $7000/year more to retire on (for me it means ~$30,000/year more, if I go to 60). But some people are too stupid to think past tomorrow or understand anything other than what their T4 says (it's important, but not as important as NET PAY). I'm a 3rd year F/O and I'll take home $500-$600/month more...that's at least 20% in my pocket!!! Plus there's way better work rules (and pay) for reserve, time banking, PDOs, etc. People need to look at the little things that we gained and stop being so narrow-minded and only looking at the hourly wage. Net pay is how you pay bills...END OF STORY. Smarten up people, they increased our total payroll by 17-20%!!! Our negotiators have tremendous skills, plus the backing of a strong, resource-rich union. If they said this was the best they could get, I'm going to believe them. Those that say we could've gotten more should give our MEC Exec a call so you can impart some of your wisdom and show them where they went wrong.

Rant over.

VOTING YES!!!
EC

[PC12flyer]

I second that EC! Also Voting Yes! Good job Negotiators and MEC

[KAG]

Congratsd guys, a fight well fought. Personally if I was given a choice between a higher T4 or better net pay due to perdiums, I'd go with the net pay. $600/month is a very healthy increase.
Did I also hear you may be getting FLICA? That in itself is worth it's weight in gold.

[El Comat]

Ya it hasn't been set in stone, but it's name keeps getting mentioned at the road shows. They are putting out tenders to various companies, and Jazz and ALPA have to agree on the provider (so Jazz can't go with the cheapest, cuz you know they would). Having seen FLICA, and being a commuter, I'm looking forward to whatever they choose.