Can-West ad

[Brown Bear]

"Those who meet Contrail requirements......."

WHEN are you western Canadian operators going to grow a pair of balls, and tell "Contrail" to suck rope????
Everybody hates an ass kisser.

[turbo-prop]

Are you bitter cause you don't qualify? Whether you like it or not contrails helps guys to get paid more money. Not many places outside Alberta that starting pay of $60,000 for a King Air and $68,000 for a 1900. Yes these are more for Shell, Imperial, and Stat but it is helping guys get more money to possible keep guys flying in the patch a little longer than moving on to the airlines.

[Brown Bear]

Are you bitter cause you don't qualify?

I'm willing to bet, that I have more time flown of Tuesdays and Wednesdays than you have total time. I was "Contrail" qualified while most on this site were in diapers. I totally stand by my remarks. You are being dictated to by a third party. And this is Okay with you? Pilots are making poor wages because they have no self worth. Nothing more, nothing less. You take a job for lousy wages, you are showing the world what you think you're worth.


BTW, I make more than that. I fly a King Air. We don't have third parties tell us who can crew our airplanes.

[bogey]

Yeah,

A butt load of gangs wanted be to join because i'm pretty good with a bow-staff too.

[altiplano]

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[Brown Bear]

Contrails' expert analysis

Thanks for the laugh!

[Stochey]

Anyone has information about Can-West rotation ? What kind of rotation they offer ? Is commuting possible ?

[Diadem]

We don't have third parties tell us who can crew our airplanes.

By "third parties" do you mean "clients"? Because that's who decided to implement Contrails requirements. Should the pilots be telling the oil companies to pound sand because they want more than the minimum level of experience required to operate those airplanes? Do you have an issue with companies like Shell establishing their own requirements separate from Contrails that have even higher minimum experience levels? I really don't see the problem with customers including conditions about crew experience in their contracts with the airlines; that's up for negotiation between two companies as one of the terms of doing business together. It's amazing to see multiple threads on this site bemoaning the reduction of experience needed for co-pilots to get their ATPLs while at the same time posters are complaining about clients wanting more experience.

[trey kule]

My objection to contrails in the past was having to deal with a bad haircut and a huge ego. But there is truth in the fact that they have stopped some scab operators from undercutting everyone using inexperienced, poorly trained and qualified pilots to crew their aircraft. They actually set a standard and those that want to meet it and have increased costs as a result can compete.
Good for a company that does not need someone to impose these standards, but the truth is those companies are few and far between.
More and more companies, particularly in the mining sector are seeing the wisdom of external operational audits, and a set of standards for companies transporting their people. And if one looks at the accidents of 703/704 operators, they wont find to many of the companies meeting the standards included in the stats..it tells me those higher standards are working....
The only people (except bb) who usually dont like them is the scab operators who want to fill crew seats at the lowest wages and scrimp on training, .....and of course the pilots who dont qualify and are unable to see the wisdom of experience.

[goingnowherefast]

scab operators who want to fill crew seats at the lowest wages and scrimp on training

Too many companies are like that. Not saying Can-West is one. I actually applied to their FO posting in December.

[Cessna driver]

Anyone has information about Can-West rotation ? What kind of rotation they offer ? Is commuting possible ?

7 days, 7 off, 7 nights, 7 off for captains in YEG, not sure about slave

[CFIT]

14/14 in slave lake

[cdnpilot77]

for captains, not sure about slave

The politically correct term is F/O

[Stochey]

Thanks for information

[LEAFS SUCK]

Are you bitter cause you don't qualify?

I'm willing to bet, that I have more time flown of Tuesdays and Wednesdays than you have total time. I was "Contrail" qualified while most on this site were in diapers. I totally stand by my remarks. You are being dictated to by a third party. And this is Okay with you? Pilots are making poor wages because they have no self worth. Nothing more, nothing less. You take a job for lousy wages, you are showing the world what you think you're worth.


BTW, I make more than that. I fly a King Air. We don't have third parties tell us who can crew our airplanes.

Sounds like you have to work to much, sucks to be you. Make sure you get your 8 hours rest though on monday nights K. There are good jobs out there like Can West where you can have more time off? Oh right you said something about contrail or something something?

[peakbagger]

Doc (I mean Brown Bear) won't be happy until each and everyone of us are flying king airs to pikangikum.

[Can West]

These aren't Contrail requirements (even more restrictive). These are Alberta Health requirements and, like it or not, there is no way around them.

[single_swine_herder]

(Tongue in cheek) .... Yes, its a sad day for the business of aviation when a customer can actually ask for, and pay for, something in the way of a product beyond "They hold a valid AOC," and have a phone number in the Yellow Pages .....

[turbo-prop]

They do have the right to ask for an experienced crew to fly there employees.

[Cessna driver]

for captains, not sure about slave

The politically correct term is F/O

Haha smart ass.