Anybody have any good links or commercial products I can buy that are good study reviews for job interviews for 705/704/703 operators.
I'd prefer the type of material that is an overview and quick summary of pertinent regulations, operating procedures, etc, versus books like The Turbine Pilot's Flight Manual - great book but a long read.
Thanks for any insights.
ES
Study gouges
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frankfrank
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Re: Study gouges
Hi Eastside,
I hate to sound rude but the book you are referring too certainly isn't a long read by any means, it will actually be a great resource for you should you find yourself in your first Turbo Prop ground school with the 25 other candidates trying to fill the 3 available spots.
Inform yourself as much as you can, its pretty tough out there and anything you can do to make yourself stand out as someone who has done some homework and will make it through without too much difficulty is better than the guy who shows up expecting to be taught everything. this isn't flight school anymore, this is a job and you have to earn that spot, no one owes it to you. So you owe it to yourself to become the best you can be.
Every other person in that class has the same ratings and licenses you do. The ground school is part two of the interview. The company doesn't know you from the next person, they want someone they can rely on, someone that is not a complete dummy, and also someone who is going to work hard without any attitude of entitlement.
so you have the right idea about studying before hand but read everything you can, the turbine pilots flight manual is a great book for upgrading from pistons to turbines, the AIM in invaluable as well.
my two cents in a very competitive industry
I hate to sound rude but the book you are referring too certainly isn't a long read by any means, it will actually be a great resource for you should you find yourself in your first Turbo Prop ground school with the 25 other candidates trying to fill the 3 available spots.
Inform yourself as much as you can, its pretty tough out there and anything you can do to make yourself stand out as someone who has done some homework and will make it through without too much difficulty is better than the guy who shows up expecting to be taught everything. this isn't flight school anymore, this is a job and you have to earn that spot, no one owes it to you. So you owe it to yourself to become the best you can be.
Every other person in that class has the same ratings and licenses you do. The ground school is part two of the interview. The company doesn't know you from the next person, they want someone they can rely on, someone that is not a complete dummy, and also someone who is going to work hard without any attitude of entitlement.
so you have the right idea about studying before hand but read everything you can, the turbine pilots flight manual is a great book for upgrading from pistons to turbines, the AIM in invaluable as well.
my two cents in a very competitive industry
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ScudRunner
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Re: Study gouges
Check outhttp://www.mypilotcareer.com/air-canada-interview-gouge
they have some info and a quick walk through of the airlines interview process for many airlines, you can take your time and look through them yourself I just linked the Air Canada one.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airl ... adian.html
they have some info and a quick walk through of the airlines interview process for many airlines, you can take your time and look through them yourself I just linked the Air Canada one.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airl ... adian.html
Re: Study gouges
hertford wrote:Hi Eastside,
I hate to sound rude but the book you are referring too certainly isn't a long read by any means, it will actually be a great resource for you should you find yourself in your first Turbo Prop ground school with the 25 other candidates trying to fill the 3 available spots.
Inform yourself as much as you can, its pretty tough out there and anything you can do to make yourself stand out as someone who has done some homework and will make it through without too much difficulty is better than the guy who shows up expecting to be taught everything. this isn't flight school anymore, this is a job and you have to earn that spot, no one owes it to you. So you owe it to yourself to become the best you can be.
Every other person in that class has the same ratings and licenses you do. The ground school is part two of the interview. The company doesn't know you from the next person, they want someone they can rely on, someone that is not a complete dummy, and also someone who is going to work hard without any attitude of entitlement.
so you have the right idea about studying before hand but read everything you can, the turbine pilots flight manual is a great book for upgrading from pistons to turbines, the AIM in invaluable as well.
my two cents in a very competitive industry
Fawk your shit all together, if your sitting in a ground school you are employed and it is their job to train you... where your wrong is that one should do their home work before the hireing process so that they are more appealing to the employer
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Re: Study gouges
Fawk your shit all together, if your sitting in a ground school you are employed and it is their job to train you... where your wrong is that one should do their home work before the hireing process so that they are more appealing to the employer[/quote]
Horunner, It would be nice if there were enough jobs for everyone and all candidates invited for interview or a groundschool were hired. but that is just not the case. In the minds of operators co-pilots are a dime a dozen so why not invite 30 people to a ground school, even if there are only 8 spots to fill that way they can weed out the ones they don't like. Plenty of places do it, you sit through a few days of ground school, write the exam, if you fail you wash out, that's it. I mean even 705 operators do this. if you don't study hard and commit you can wash out at any point after you have been "hired". so yes, it is their job to train you, BUT NO it is not their job to hold your hand your hand the whole way through so you can pass without putting the necessary effort in on your part. It is certainly your job to work your ass off and study to be one of the guys to make it through to the line. If you expect them to do it all for you, you are in for a rude awakening and will be sadly disappointed.
Yes do your homework beforehand but just because you are invited to a ground school doesn't mean you have sure thing, the studying and hard work doesn't end there.
"Now you know and knowing is half the battle" GI JOE
Horunner, It would be nice if there were enough jobs for everyone and all candidates invited for interview or a groundschool were hired. but that is just not the case. In the minds of operators co-pilots are a dime a dozen so why not invite 30 people to a ground school, even if there are only 8 spots to fill that way they can weed out the ones they don't like. Plenty of places do it, you sit through a few days of ground school, write the exam, if you fail you wash out, that's it. I mean even 705 operators do this. if you don't study hard and commit you can wash out at any point after you have been "hired". so yes, it is their job to train you, BUT NO it is not their job to hold your hand your hand the whole way through so you can pass without putting the necessary effort in on your part. It is certainly your job to work your ass off and study to be one of the guys to make it through to the line. If you expect them to do it all for you, you are in for a rude awakening and will be sadly disappointed.
Yes do your homework beforehand but just because you are invited to a ground school doesn't mean you have sure thing, the studying and hard work doesn't end there.
"Now you know and knowing is half the battle" GI JOE
Re: Study gouges
Horunner, It would be nice if there were enough jobs for everyone and all candidates invited for interview or a groundschool were hired. but that is just not the case. In the minds of operators co-pilots are a dime a dozen so why not invite 30 people to a ground school, even if there are only 8 spots to fill that way they can weed out the ones they don't like. Plenty of places do it, you sit through a few days of ground school, write the exam, if you fail you wash out, that's it. I mean even 705 operators do this. if you don't study hard and commit you can wash out at any point after you have been "hired". so yes, it is their job to train you, BUT NO it is not their job to hold your hand your hand the whole way through so you can pass without putting the necessary effort in on your part. It is certainly your job to work your ass off and study to be one of the guys to make it through to the line. If you expect them to do it all for you, you are in for a rude awakening and will be sadly disappointed.hertford wrote:Fawk your shit all together, if your sitting in a ground school you are employed and it is their job to train you... where your wrong is that one should do their home work before the hireing process so that they are more appealing to the employer
Yes do your homework beforehand but just because you are invited to a ground school doesn't mean you have sure thing, the studying and hard work doesn't end there.
"Now you know and knowing is half the battle" GI JOE[/quote]
Hertford:
Some free advice: Turn down the intensity.
I don't know what you've been smoking, but having been to my share of indocs, companies don't invite 30 people to groundschool and expect 8 to make it to the line, firing people for everything from weak tests scores to the way you dress.
Every place I've worked -the good ones, the bad ones, and the in-between ones- hired people with the expectation that 95% of the class would be flying the line as soon as training was done. They did not make it into some sort of aviation "Survivor" game, whereby they were trying to boot people off the island for any perceived sign of mediocracy.
I took a look at your past posts - you appear to be at that impressionable stage where you think you know something about the industry, being a flight instructor/laid off pseudo corporate pilot who is quite low time. Son, its not like that. Your buddies probably came back from ground school trying to impress you with how hard it was and how they were among the "elites" as they actually got to fly a mighty C206 from the RIGHT seat. Chill out!
Yes, its a fact, some people don't make it through training. Its not always fair, but its a fact of this profession But if you bring a good, humble attitude, are ready to learn, study hard each night, and learn the important things, odds are you'll make it. But if you go in there acting like Captain Hardass, like you know it all, ie the way you posted on this thread, you'll be setting yourself up as a target, and some shark of an instructor is going to whack you down to size.
Something else you might want to consider. If you ever make it to the 705 level (in about ten years years), you'll find that the bigger the airplane is, the easier it is to learn. A good mate of mine is on the 777 at AC - he said it was Simple Simon to learn compared to DC-9 school from years ago. Another good friend of mine flies corporate - you think FSI is going to bust you out of class after the employer just spent 20-30k in training and hotel costs?
In the meantime, I'll give you some more perspective: breathe, relax, taking things easy. You try to present yourself as competent, but I'm as much curious if the attitude you're displaying is compensating for other weaknesses in your character
Good luck with your career. Send us a postcard when you make it to B1900 FO school at Air Georgian!
JT
Re: Study gouges
[quote][b]Hertford:
Some free advice: Turn down the intensity.
I don't know what you've been smoking, but having been to my share of indocs, companies don't invite 30 people to groundschool and expect 8 to make it to the line, firing people for everything from weak tests scores to the way you dress.
Every place I've worked -the good ones, the bad ones, and the in-between ones- hired people with the expectation that 95% of the class would be flying the line as soon as training was done. They did not make it into some sort of aviation "Survivor" game, whereby they were trying to boot people off the island for any perceived sign of mediocracy.
I took a look at your past posts - you appear to be at that impressionable stage where you think you know something about the industry, being a flight instructor/laid off pseudo corporate pilot who is quite low time. Son, its not like that. Your buddies probably came back from ground school trying to impress you with how hard it was and how they were among the "elites" as they actually got to fly a mighty C206 from the RIGHT seat. Chill out!
Yes, its a fact, some people don't make it through training. Its not always fair, but its a fact of this profession But if you bring a good, humble attitude, are ready to learn, study hard each night, and learn the important things, odds are you'll make it. But if you go in there acting like Captain Hardass, like you know it all, ie the way you posted on this thread, you'll be setting yourself up as a target, and some shark of an instructor is going to whack you down to size.
Something else you might want to consider. If you ever make it to the 705 level (in about ten years years), you'll find that the bigger the airplane is, the easier it is to learn. A good mate of mine is on the 777 at AC - he said it was Simple Simon to learn compared to DC-9 school from years ago. Another good friend of mine flies corporate - you think FSI is going to bust you out of class after the employer just spent 20-30k in training and hotel costs?
In the meantime, I'll give you some more perspective: breathe, relax, taking things easy. You try to present yourself as competent, but I'm as much curious if the attitude you're displaying is compensating for other weaknesses in your character
Good luck with your career. Send us a postcard when you make it to B1900 FO school at Air Georgian!
JT[/b][/quote]
Thanks JT for the wonderful advice you have given me.
I went back and re read what I had wrote and perhaps you were right, I came across intense and I may have exaggerated. I think perhaps I had been in a mood that day. so I will take your advice and relax.
However, I have some free advice for you too. In the future you should leave the insults and judgments out of your arguments, to presume to know me by reading the 12 or so posts I have made on this anonymous message board over the last two years is arrogant and irrelevant to the point. The quickest way to invalidate your own argument is to insult the person you are debating with and not the argument itself. For you to comment on things like I present as competent, but you're as much curious if the attitude I'm displaying is compensating for other weaknesses in your character or by pointing out my career as being low time or at that impressionable stage really serves no constructive purpose except to point out your own short comings.
please leave the psychology to the psychologists and stick to what you say you are good at (not arguments) but flying airplanes and passing ground schools. If I wanted an evaluation of my "weakness of character" I would hire a professional.
Thanks and have a nice day!
Some free advice: Turn down the intensity.
I don't know what you've been smoking, but having been to my share of indocs, companies don't invite 30 people to groundschool and expect 8 to make it to the line, firing people for everything from weak tests scores to the way you dress.
Every place I've worked -the good ones, the bad ones, and the in-between ones- hired people with the expectation that 95% of the class would be flying the line as soon as training was done. They did not make it into some sort of aviation "Survivor" game, whereby they were trying to boot people off the island for any perceived sign of mediocracy.
I took a look at your past posts - you appear to be at that impressionable stage where you think you know something about the industry, being a flight instructor/laid off pseudo corporate pilot who is quite low time. Son, its not like that. Your buddies probably came back from ground school trying to impress you with how hard it was and how they were among the "elites" as they actually got to fly a mighty C206 from the RIGHT seat. Chill out!
Yes, its a fact, some people don't make it through training. Its not always fair, but its a fact of this profession But if you bring a good, humble attitude, are ready to learn, study hard each night, and learn the important things, odds are you'll make it. But if you go in there acting like Captain Hardass, like you know it all, ie the way you posted on this thread, you'll be setting yourself up as a target, and some shark of an instructor is going to whack you down to size.
Something else you might want to consider. If you ever make it to the 705 level (in about ten years years), you'll find that the bigger the airplane is, the easier it is to learn. A good mate of mine is on the 777 at AC - he said it was Simple Simon to learn compared to DC-9 school from years ago. Another good friend of mine flies corporate - you think FSI is going to bust you out of class after the employer just spent 20-30k in training and hotel costs?
In the meantime, I'll give you some more perspective: breathe, relax, taking things easy. You try to present yourself as competent, but I'm as much curious if the attitude you're displaying is compensating for other weaknesses in your character
Good luck with your career. Send us a postcard when you make it to B1900 FO school at Air Georgian!
JT[/b][/quote]
Thanks JT for the wonderful advice you have given me.
I went back and re read what I had wrote and perhaps you were right, I came across intense and I may have exaggerated. I think perhaps I had been in a mood that day. so I will take your advice and relax.
However, I have some free advice for you too. In the future you should leave the insults and judgments out of your arguments, to presume to know me by reading the 12 or so posts I have made on this anonymous message board over the last two years is arrogant and irrelevant to the point. The quickest way to invalidate your own argument is to insult the person you are debating with and not the argument itself. For you to comment on things like I present as competent, but you're as much curious if the attitude I'm displaying is compensating for other weaknesses in your character or by pointing out my career as being low time or at that impressionable stage really serves no constructive purpose except to point out your own short comings.
please leave the psychology to the psychologists and stick to what you say you are good at (not arguments) but flying airplanes and passing ground schools. If I wanted an evaluation of my "weakness of character" I would hire a professional.
Thanks and have a nice day!
