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[babybus]

I think the EMJ vs. 767 debate depends on where you come from.

-If you have jet experience then I would go for the 767 RP, take it easy and see the world.You will be fatigued, not because you are overworked but because you usually start your day around 2000 EST and fly through the night.
That being said it is a very easy and comfortable job to get through probation and see destinations you wouldn't otherwise see for at least the first 10 years.
If you have no jet experience, then you need to learn how to fly one and that wont be as an RP.
It will be doing multiple legs on the EMJ.You will become sharp and proficient quickly.
If you are off a turboprop and go sit as an RP for 3-4 years without a landing you will find transitioning back as an FO or worse Capt on the EMJ a very steep curve.

As far as lifestyle goes:

-I have been FO on the 767 and although I never flew the EMJ I did similar flying on the DC9 and 320 for years.

I can confirm that you will be 100% more tired as an RP.You will fly the same amount of days as on the EMJ but every cycle you will loose around 2 nights.
A 12 hour,4 legs of LGA is long,you will be tired but a good nights sleep and the next day you won't feel a thing....not true of the overseas.
I loved the destinations on the 767, very exciting to finally see the world.It took me 6 months to get over it....after dreaming about it my whole career!I found that on most layovers I was just too tired to really thorougly enjoy,discover and appreciate the cities I was visiting.
I also found that I was always feeling at 75% of feeling ''good'', I just always felt like I was carrying an extra weight.
I have since downgraded back to the 320.I sleep at regular hours (for a pilot!), I eat at regular hours and I am home most nights.
I feel like a million bucks compared to when I was doing overseas.

I guess my answer in short, if you want quality of life go EMJ.
If you want to see the world,already have jet experience and no kids....go RP.

And remember that in your career at AC you will get to taste every position over time so don't fret too much about the short term.Either way it is a good job and will be very satisfying.I can honestly say that I have loved every position I have flown at this airline.....from the CRJ to the heavies.

Cheers.

[Johnny#5]

Thanks, great post!

[Takeoff OK]

Not sure what you guys do with the Embraer, but this is a fairly typical 4-day at Compass:

M7212 : 07SEP ONLY ON TUE BSE REPT: 0915L Operates: Sep 7 Only
Base/Equip: MSP/E75 CA01FO01FA02
DY DD DH C FLTNO DPS-ARS DEPL ARRL BLKT GRNT OA TBLK TDHD TCRD TDUTY LAYOVER
TU 07 * 5652 MSP-ORD 0953 1114 0121 0233
TU 07 5670 ORD-DTW 1347 1611 0124 0307
TU 07 5765 DTW-JAX 1918 2130 0212 0457 0507 1130 JAX 0945
D-END: 2145L (NR 900) REPT: 0730L Aloft Jacksonville Airpor (904)714-3800
WE 08 * 5732 JAX-MSP 0812 1024 0312 0236
WE 08 5673 MSP-MDW 1300 1419 0119 0431 0437 0804 MDW 1516
D-END: 1434L (NR 900) REPT: 0550L Hampton Inn Chicago Midwa (708)496-1900
TH 09 5675 MDW-MSP 0626 0754 0128 0059
TH 09 5889 MSP-MDW 0853 1016 0123 0037
TH 09 5888 MDW-MSP 1053 1229 0136 0050
TH 09 5888 MSP-ORF 1319 1645 0226 0653 0721 1010 ORF 1240
D-END: 1700L (NR 1000) REPT: 0540L Holiday Inn Virginia Beac (757)499-4400
FR 10 5649 ORF-MSP 0618 0826 0308 0040
FR 10 5705 MSP-OMA 0906 1015 0109 0035
FR 10 5658 OMA-MSP 1050 1154 0104 0521 0542 0729
D-END: 1209L T.A.F.B.: 7454
Total: 2142 2247 3713

Fatiguing? Well, the early shows can bite you in the butt if you're not prepared, but otherwise not too bad.

I too come from the 11 to 18 legs-a-day world, and this gig is way less tiring overall.

(well i guess this is useless since the formatting got all messed up. sorry.)

[warbirdpilot7]

Great post babybus..........I know retired guys from way back in the DC8 days at AC. The world travel was good at first blush, but it wears off. You never really catch up on sleep missed, and you wind up buzzing around the house at 3am when the wife is sleeping. As a cruise RP, you must loose a certain amount of your "handflying" expierence.

Things change when the "honeymoon" is over.

[land3]

To each his own goes the affects of fatigue :

After 33 years of straight overseas from DC8, L1011, 767, A340 to A330 (over 900 Atlantic crossings, 480 Pacific crossings)....the most tired I have ever been in my career (YVR based) was waking up at 6 AM in Torbay for an 8AM departure during my 9 month domestic stint on the 320. I couldn't wait to get back to overseas! And back then it was two pilot Western Arrows on the '67 !

Augmented flights were a wet dream until 1999!

And don't forget....now even the R/P gets to take his fair share of rest time in the bunk to rest for his fun London/Frankfurt/Tel Aviv/Rome/ect ....etc.. layover!

Forget the jungle jet kids....GO BIG !

[FL020]

sooooo............. back to the interviews part of the Topic??? Anyone?

[El Comat]

Still no call here. Has anyone been called without uploading reference letters? Should I even upload a list of references for them to call, or do they only want letters coming from a current/retired AC pilot? The people I know well are in the lower seniority bracket, and one of them thought that their reference might not carry as much weight as a senior guy. Any thoughts? ywger, does your offer still stand???

EC

[wordstwice]

I just got a call for an interview and have no reference letter on file nor any internal references.

[yycflyguy]

FWIW - I had no internal references when I interviewed, only letters from previous employers and some letters of recommendation from some contract clients/customers.

[El Comat]

I just got a call for an interview and have no reference letter on file nor any internal references.

When did they call you, and what kind of experience/TT do you have?

[wordstwice]

They called me a couple days ago.

I have 4700 hours, no Jet, no french.

[JayDee]

When did they call you, and what kind of experience/TT do you have?

If you are really interested in working for Air Canada, the first thing you should do is maybe change your Avatar before you prejudice the entire Jazz group's chances.

If I was doing the hiring , the last thing I would do is hire an "in your face pro union" candidate.

[winston]

5000 Total time in nothing bigger than a 1900
Non Francais
University Degree
No letters of Recommendation just references including internal
Been applying since hour 1000
Interviewed earlier this month and haven't slept much since the call inviting me and am now scared to answer the phone or go to the mailbox!

[jazzbeat]

Good luck to you Winston.

Best advice I could give you is to use your spare time to learn french... days will seems shorter

[yycflyguy]

Been applying since hour 1000

That will score you a few points. They wanted to know why I hadn't been applying since PPL! On our PIT course someone had been applying since age 16, and they actually had the proof in the interview

[El Comat]

I have 4700 hours, no Jet, no french.

That's pretty much identical to me...over 4600 hours, 1500 PIC (PC12/BE10), 1700 DHC8, etc. I knew I'd be in the running, but I guess so far I don't have what they're looking for. Oh well, I guess time will tell the story.

Good luck with the hiring process, and be sure to update us on how it goes!

EC

[Lateralus]

Yep over 4500 hours here, about 1700 hours Jet (RJ), 1500 PIC still no call. I really hope the Jazz guys aren't being put on the bottom of the pile. Some of us would like to work for AC, and have decent, relevant experience.

Best of luck to all that have been called and who are waiting for the call.

[El Comat]

When did they call you, and what kind of experience/TT do you have?

If you are really interested in working for Air Canada, the first thing you should do is maybe change your Avatar before you prejudice the entire Jazz group's chances.

If I was doing the hiring , the last thing I would do is hire an "in your face pro union" candidate.

So I've deleted my avatar (probably should've changed it after we ratified our CA), are you gonna hook me up with an interview???

Do the hiring folks at AC really troll these forums on the lookout for "in your face pro-union" types?? And would my avatar really jeopardize the entire Jazz group's chances at getting called??

EC

[29chev]

Do the hiring folks at AC really troll these forums on the lookout for "in your face pro-union" types?? And would my avatar really jeopardize the entire Jazz group's chances at getting called??

Prob not but do you want to take the chance?

I know of a Jazz guy who went for the interview with an ALPA pin on his jacket ....he didn't get hired....was it because of the pin???? who knows ,but do you want to take the chance??
29Chev

[backon3]

Still interviewing. Guys were there today and yesterday at the training building. FYI

[JayDee]

Do the hiring folks at AC really troll these forums on the lookout for "in your face pro-union" types?? And would my avatar really jeopardize the entire Jazz group's chances at getting called??

EC

Why take the chance?

[groundtoflightdeck]

So we left off a week ago saying that around now the equipment training summary may be settling in closely with the future. Is it still showing a group of 1/2 YYZ B767 RP and YYZ EMJ FO for Nov29 and Dec02 respectively? Also would it be safe to say that with a 2 week PIT course people would be starting Nov 15th at the latest and therefore the offers will be out late October?

[mamba]

Hey, just out of curiosity, what's the average age of the new hired pilots ??

Good luck to all

[buss]

[quote="winston"]My F/O works all the knobs and dials on the weather radar like a fat kid and a big bowl of Smarties!!! and it's driving me nuts!
I'm ready to make him sit on his broken fingers!!

Hey Winston,
Hopefully "your FO" isn't the on the hiring board.

Ps. Unless you paid for him he was never "your FO"

edited to say "good luck"

[Max111]

Hi Mamba,

Since no one seem willing to answer your question...I'll come out of lurking.
At the last Tribunal, Air Canada stated that the average age of the new hires was 34.
Good luck.............Just remembering how excited i was when i received the phone call......good memories.

Max111

Before i was hired, i thought they all had degrees from Harvard....Which was not the case. They hire a very broad section of the aviation community. Just my opinion but i believe attitude plays a big part.
One again...Good luck.

Never used this but i believe its good advice.......! "Quote from a previous post"

Just some info...
If you do get an interview, make sure you understand behavior based interviewing. If you don't understand the process, you will likely not do well.
Google it.
M.A.M.P.