Maydays, and Pans

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Re: Maydays, and Pans

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MichaelP, this is the first time I have read one of your posts and thought you were off the mark. If you have enough smoke in the cockpit that you are doing a non-standard circuit(low level) to come back to land, you have an emergency.
It was but a puff of smoke, it smelled of burnt oil, and I guessed it was from a leak onto the exhaust.
But it was strike two, and I was never happy with the maintenance there.

I was once asked in passing about the stabilator on a Seneca... The starboard hinge was shot and you could rock the tip up and down... "F*** in H***" I said, I was shocked and told them not to fly that aeroplane.
Do people not realise how quickly flutter can remove a control surface? That whole stabilator is held on by two small bolts.

My brother looked at a Cessna 172 that was being used to fly kids. He was shocked by the amount of corrosion on it.

I have not flown this company's aircraft since my incident, and I would avoid flying some of them.

There's no excuse.
I see many companies in the Lower Mainland take ropey old Cessna 152s and overhaul them to as new condition and do an excellent job.
If the aeroplane does not look like it's being properly maintained take your business to one of the schools that is trying to do the job properly.

Boundary Bay does get it's share of "Maydays", people go outside when the hear the fire trucks arrive here, and they grade the subsequent landing of the common caller... it's nearly always a Seneca with gear trouble!
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Re: Maydays, and Pans

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Michael, what airplane were you flying where you had the smoke in the cockpit? If you have oil on the exhaust and it's coming in as smoke through your cabin heat, ever think of CO poisoning? A shrouded exhaust cabin heater should not have any smells coming in other than first thing in the fall when it hasn't been used all summer.
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Re: Maydays, and Pans

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It was summer if I remember correctly and I rarely used cabin heat in any case. I left that Cessna 152 with the mechanic to sort it out and I have not flown any of that place's aircraft since. It was nine or ten years ago.
It's a testament to those aircraft that they are still flying now while not looking any better than they did then!

As for CO poisoning... I worked as a mechanic myself and one day saw a Cessna F150 Aerobat waddle up to our hangar and the two occupants fall out of it when they opened the doors.
The exhaust was cracked and they were the worse for it!

I do not like exhaust derived cabin heat.

But back to the original point, if it's an emergency and you have time to make a Mayday call, do it.
If not then tell whoever as much as possible about what is happening but not at the expense of flying the aeroplane.
A Mayday will not cause a mattress to instantly appear for you to prang on.
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Tinker wrote:Sometimes things don't always go according to plan when you call MayDay. (for a giggle)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb7UAdkgV8o

:smt040 :smt040 :smt040

I like it cause I'm a French man!
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While reading Cadors and accident investigation reports, I noticed Mayday and PanPan aren't used. Usually, it says emergency crews were called but no Mayday was issued. Did somebody use PanPan in the last 10 years? Shall we use those messages more often? Is the safety concerned? Was there crashes where it should have been used outside the one who ran out of fuel at JFK?
It just rings a bell to me, I guess it would take me a lot to declare a mayday, and I don't see the opportunity where I would say a message PanPan.
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I do recall KLM using Pan Pan due to fuel remaining after Air France went off the end in YYZ...
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Merged.

Please remember to use the search function before starting new threads. Resurrecting old threads gets more people involved and reminds people of what has been said in the past.
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