Airline Pilot Rejects TSA

[Morav]

[bmc]

No need for any further terrorist activity in the USA. The terrorists have won. Congrats.

[2.5milefinal]

For the third time, it's the fakes one they are after. Not the real ones!

If the authorities are really worried about 'fakes' then it really is as messed up as I, and a lot of other pilots think it is.

[raven54]

Everyone is saying all I need is to crash it on t/o or landing. I for one would rather not have some dude getting weapons on board and riding jumpseat. I seem to recall an incident with Fedex a few years ago.....some about axes, hammers, harpoon gun (wtf?). But whateves.

[TG]

If the authorities are really worried about 'fakes' then it really is as messed up as I, and a lot of other pilots think it is.

Yes!

And don't forget:

Or as mentioned elsewhere you could just be a target if someone was going to put you under duress to carry something through.

Biometrics would be good but for now, as long as they do not check them at the security line they are useless (in a "smuggling thing" point of view)
Something I'm not sure about is if those biometrics records are good nationwide or just at the airport they were produced.
In another way, they might be good only at your home airport not elsewhere and certainly not in another country.

[confuzed]

Biometrics would be good but for now, as long as they do not check them at the security line they are useless (in a "smuggling thing" point of view)
Something I'm not sure about is if those biometrics records are good nationwide or just at the airport they were produced.
In another way, they might be good only at your home airport not elsewhere and certainly not in another country.

That one paragraph right there shows how uneducated you are about the RAIC system and how it works. First of all you have to go through a VERY thorough background check that not only checks you, but your ENTIRE family. The biometrics are attached to said card by a microchip essentially. Before you go through the security bypass, you must allow the retina scan or fingerprint scan to read your card. It then matches your finger print/retina to what is on the card, so you can't just steal someone's card and expect to get through. Once it determines that everything is ok it unlocks the door for you and off you go on your merry way. When you are not at your main base, the CATSA monkey (ooops, I mean agent) has a portable fingerprint scanner that does the same thing. If you are verified, they unlock the door for you and off you go.

The only time I could see your argument being valid is if someone forgets their RAIC pass at home. They then have to get a boarding pass to get through security, and they go through security like anyone else. If you're deadheading on a different carrier you can no longer bypass security, you have to go through like any other passenger.

I do agree with everyone in here, that they scrutinize flight crews way more then they should. I don't have a sense of entitlement, I just don't appreciate being harassed every time I want to try and do my job. I find Halifax to be the worst at this, but I digress. I understand the importance of security, but like others said if a flight crew member is that dead set on doing some kind of damage they have the perfect weapon(s). The aircraft, or maybe even the crash axe in the flight deck. CATSA love it when I mention about the crash axe by the way. Nothing I bring through security can even COMPARE to those two tools right there so the point you're bringing up is moot.

Right now the US is so paranoid it is out of control. The New World Order is just around the corner at the rate things are going, and that's disturbing. If this gets any worse it's almost better to go back in the bush and not have to worry about all this garbage.

[xsbank]

Its a total lack of common sense.

I know we are all doomed as a species because we still have to pay people to pick up litter. Perfect bellwether for our collective idiocy.

At YUL I witnessed an Air France captain, with around 20 of his crew, get shaken down and his screw-driver confiscated from his flight bag because it was against the rules. He argued that he needed the tool to make repairs in his cockpit and it fell on deaf (retarded?) ears. They were all delayed and the flight left late.

Pilots kill enough people as it is without any suicidal maniacs in our ranks. How many did we get last year? How many were 'intentionally' killed?

What's the difference?

Like I said, a total lack of common sense. Osama must be laughing up his sleeve at how much paranoia he has introduced into our "free" society. Talk about a lasting legacy...

[confuzed]

Osama must be laughing up his sleeve at how much paranoia he has introduced into our "free" society. Talk about a lasting legacy...

Or for those conspiracy theorists out there, George W. Bush,

[albertdesalvo]

Where's the Thread Nazi when you need her?














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[Heliian]

RAIC is for restricted areas that other pax can't get to, not for bypassing security.

Does anyone remember those pilots who were bringing their own guns on board the a/c?

[niss]

If you are truly malicious with an airplane what is the most you can kill?

How many people were nearly killed in October 1962 by 2 people with the highest security clearances in the world?

[YYZatcboy]

RAIC is for restricted areas that other pax can't get to, not for bypassing security.

Funny because that's what we do with it every day.

[bronson]

I've always found it silly that I can't pack a leatherman when there is a crash axe behind my seat. I'm tempted to put the crash axe in my brain bag and see how that goes!

[foxmoth]

this idiosy all started with terorists. so, go back on them.
A friend suggested that a convicted muslim air terrorist be shackled to a dead pig in old age stocks at an airport entrance so passengers can throw garbage or piss on them. once the word gets out no more terrorism.

[fish4life]

this idiosy all started with terorists. so, go back on them.
A friend suggested that a convicted muslim air terrorist be shackled to a dead pig in old age stocks at an airport entrance so passengers can throw garbage or piss on them. once the word gets out no more terrorism.

+1

[niss]

And every time an abortion clinic is torched, or a homosexual lynched we should crucify the perpetrator.

Boom, no fundementalist Christian terrorism!

[fish4life]

this idiosy all started with terorists. so, go back on them.
A friend suggested that a convicted muslim air terrorist be shackled to a dead pig in old age stocks at an airport entrance so passengers can throw garbage or piss on them. once the word gets out no more terrorism.

+1

to clarify +1 was to the terrorist... doesn't matter what there background or culture is White, brown, black, Christian, or Muslim if they are a terrorist there a terrorist and should lose there rights

[Heliian]

RAIC is for restricted areas that other pax can't get to, not for bypassing security.

Funny because that's what we do with it every day.

Yes, it grants you access to restricted areas without an escort. If you go through the security line, you are still subject to their rules and a search if they request. This story is making news now but i don't expect it to get that far, he refused a search and was turned away, that's his choice, next time don't go through the security line.

Thanks for quoting only half of my post, the systems and laws are there for a reason, to protect the flying public.

[2.5milefinal]

the systems and laws are there for a reason, to protect the flying public.
Really ...protect them from what ? All those crazy pilots I guess.

[Heliian]

Here's one reason:

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/delta-p ... 28918.html

[RenegadeAV8R]

I seem to recall an incident with Fedex a few years ago.....some about axes, hammers, harpoon gun (wtf?). But whateves.

You are making reference to FedEx Flight 705. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FedEx_Express_Flight_705.

There is also a book titled "Hijacked" about this incident (if we can call this an incident).

[Topspin]

Here's one reason:

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/delta-p ... 28918.html

I'm sorry, somebody forgetting to take their gun out of their bag in a state where 40% of those polled chose to admit to firearms ownership is justification for getting a Cat1 Physical every time you want to cross the imaginary line, how exactly?

Never mind the fact he had an authorization to carry, isn't the airplane he flies on his days on that much more dangerous, than the gun could ever hope to be?

Odds of death from:

Terrorism: 10,408,947 to 1
Fireworks Discharge: 615,488 to 1
Dog Attack: 147,717 to 1
Plane Crash: 135,000 to 1
Lightening: 83,930 to 1
Legal Execution: 58,618 to 1
Assault by Gun: 325 to 1
Motor Vehicle Crash: 100 to 1
Stroke: 23 to 1
Cancer: 7 to 1
Heart Disease 5 to 1

Considering those odds, there are 18 CT scanners in YVR for Hold Baggage Screening alone, not counting Passenger screening. I really refuse to believe the hospitals and health care system are winning this battle. Average wait time for a CT scan in a Canadian medical facility: 4.8 weeks.

But it gets better. Death by car, 100 to 1. I propose we put crossing guards on every street corner, to insure this terrible carnage never happens again.

[2.5milefinal]

Thank you Topspin.
For all you sheep out there ...where or what is your line in the sand?

[Driving Rain]

http://videosift.com/video/Louis-CK-Old ... t-Security

and of course Louis has a great way to get liquids past the CSA

His tactic? Just explain to your kindly TSA that it’s easier to masturbate with a lubricant. The very lubricant they've just removed from his bag and now hold in their hand.

[TG]

That one paragraph right there shows how uneducated you are about the RAIC system and how it works.

Indeed And it's a shame because I had one. To my defense, I never actually used it.
For what I'm doing, showing a pilot license is enough 99% of the time, we get escorted for the rest.
Aerial work has its advantage, no need to go through the gong show except when as passenger traveling on site or back home.

Plus correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure you will) your RAIC worth nothing in the States no !?
Then RAIC or not what is the point if:

you could just be a target if someone was going to put you under duress to carry something through.

To be left for the next flight somewhere or whatever, we all know about the crash axe or the Egyptair diving into the ocean trick.

That 10,408,947 to 1 chance that sucks everybody's life when they go to the airport.


I will stay a dumb sheep saying yes sir! no sir! and saving me a lot of stupid trouble.
It's not on my agenda to change this kind of things, better leaving it instead to someone like 2.5milefinal which I'm sure will do anything in his power to do something about it.