New server for AC Pilots Forum

[Lost in Saigon]

There is a new address now with a new server. Seems to have fixed the problems.

http://www.acpilotsforum.ca

[yycflyguy]

Woohoo!

Thanks LIS. I was going into withdrawal with no juicy rumours or bitching to read about

[JayDee]

When are the multitude of retired Air Canada pilots going to be given access?

[bcflyer]

When are the multitude of retired Air Canada pilots going to be given access?

Why would they be given access? Do retired Jazz pilots have access to their forums? NO. If you want a forum for retired pilots start one of your own.

[yycflyguy]

When are the multitude of retired Air Canada pilots going to be given access?

When they come back online and are active pilots they can submit their names to the administrator. Otherwise, like BCflyer said. Perhaps their online mistreatment can be included in their discrimination case, is that the pot you wanted to stir?

[Lost in Saigon]

On previous ACPA forums, retired pilots were always allowed full access. Their contributions were always welcome, and their wisdom and insight was invaluable at times.

There is no pot to stir. Barring them access is a just another sign of how infantile and petty ACPA really is.

SHAME on ACPA or whoever is contolling this new forum

[Cat Driver]

I seldom post here anymore.

However it is beyond my ability to grasp what type of person one would have to be to hold retired colleagues in such utter contempt that they are denied access to a pilots forum....especially a forum in a company where they worked before retirement.

[The Raven]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the new Air Canada Pilots private forum run by private individuals? I don't believe ACPA has anything to do with it. As such, is it not up to the individuals who run the forum to determine who they allow on?

Like someone else said, if the retired guys want a forum, let them start their own.

[Lost in Saigon]

Most retired pilots have no intention of ever returning. Most support ACPA's fight against raising the retirement age.

They have always been part of the Air Canada pilot's Forum. Why do you now want to exclude them from any participation or dialog? What valid reason do you have?

If you ran into Don Hudson on the street, could you honestly say to him "YOU are not welcome as part of the Air Canada pilot's fraternity because you no longer are an active pilot" ?

Do you even know who Don Hudson is?

[babybus]

Do you even know who Don Hudson is?

I've been here 12 years and have no clue who that is.

[Dave Grohl]

Do you even know who Don Hudson is?

I've been here 12 years and have no clue who that is.

Former air safety chair, now retired. He used to show up on the old ACPA forum...seemed like a real wealth of knowledge and experience. Is it just me, or is this fly 'til you die issue bringing out the absolute worst in people?

[TyrellCorp]

Is it just me, or is this fly 'til you die issue bringing out the absolute worst in people?

Well it certainly seems to have brought out the greed in the you know what group. Ahem, cough, cough, I mean the "discriminated against" group. The second class citizens of the airline as they called themselves

[yycflyguy]

On previous ACPA forums, retired pilots were always allowed full access. Their contributions were always welcome, and their wisdom and insight was invaluable at times.

There is no pot to stir. Barring them access is a just another sign of how infantile and petty ACPA really is.

SHAME on ACPA or whoever is contolling this new forum

A couple of points:

1. ACPA is you.

2. The MEC has no control over the third party forum that was created, which is private but encourages the involvement of current ACPA members.

3. The history of some people here include the collection of internet posts to be included in current litigation.

4. A private forum allows for expression without the threat of further litigation or RCMP involvement.

Infantile? Maybe, but you need to look at why. I agree that 90% of the retirees would be welcome, valuable contributors but...

Once bitten, twice shy.

[Johnny Mapleleaf]

4. A private forum allows for expression without the threat of further litigation or RCMP involvement. ... I agree that 90% of the retirees would be welcome, valuable contributors but... Once bitten, twice shy.

Oh really? Maybe you need to do a Google search on internet slander and court-ordered disclosure of IP holders. Do you honestly believe that if you violate the legal rights of others, that they cannot hold you accountable, either in civil or criminal litigation, because they don't have access to your site? Who is naive here?

Do you think that anyone can just call up the RCMP and get them to go into a business office with a search warrant based on simple allegations of something not right? Good luck. If they investigated, they must have had a pretty darned good reason to suspect that a criminal offence might have been committed.

Are you saying that you are intentionally refusing them access to a site that allows access to only ACPA members, because they filed a human rights complaint against ACPA? Better watch that path.

Finally, is there any wisdom in closing your ears to what they might have to say?

[bcflyer]

Are you saying that you are intentionally refusing them access to a site that allows access to only ACPA members, because they filed a human rights complaint against ACPA? Better watch that path.

Two things: First, there is no requirement to be an ACPA member to be on the current forum. Simply an Air Canada pilot. (you are not required to join ACPA when you join Air Canada) ACPA has nothing to due with the forum.

Secondly, the veiled threat you just typed above is the exact reason retiree's are no longer welcome...

The current forum is accessible only to current Air Canada pilots... The previous forum was closed down due to fear of lititgation brought on by retired pilots. If you still don't see why retired pilots are no long welcome, then there is no point wasting any more time try to explain it.

[yycflyguy]

Thanks for saving me the time of typing the reply BCflyer.

[cdnpilot77]

I seldom post here anymore.

Wish you would consider posting more often again. Whether we like what you say or not, there are a lot of us low timers that have learned a lot from your experience and could stand to learn a lot more. This feeling was also shared privately with another poster whom we seldom hear from anymore. All the best and I hope you are doing well!

Sorry to take this thread off topic, carry on

[Johnny Mapleleaf]

... the veiled threat you just typed above is the exact reason retiree's are no longer welcome... The previous forum was closed down due to fear of lititgation brought on by retired pilots. If you still don't see why retired pilots are no long welcome, then there is no point wasting any more time try to explain it.

My observation was not a veiled threat. The fact that I don't work for Air Canada means that I do not even qualify for access to that site, so there is no reason for you to take offence at my observation. Take your guard down for two seconds and read what I said earlier. Excluding a specific group of individuals won't necessarily prevent you from getting sued, if defamatory statements that you make about them are posted on any site. Anything you post publicly can become the subject of legal proceedings, and once it is posted, you cannot stop the posted information from being subject to production in a legal proceeding.

Was the previous site closed down for fear of litigation or from fear of being held accountable for things that were said there? As I said earlier, there may have been a reason why people were afraid of getting sued. Like, because things were posted there that should not have been posted.