Chartright

[jetway]

Who knows what about this company? Are things picking up in YYZ for corporate?
I knew a guy who worked there about 5 years ago, but just curious about the current situation.
Cheers, JW

[CJ6]

Have a buddy who just left there, said they were quite disorganized. The pay was not great...he was making about 48K after 3 yrs. But it may vary from machine to machine. You are on rsv. 17 on 3 off...or 14 on 3 off, one of those 2. There is no movement there cause a lot of the captains are ex AC and what not, who are not going anywhere's t'll they loose their medical. The flying was good, lots of cool layovers...but as the FO you are also the flight attendant. It you want a place to sit around and make "ok" money and fly 200hrs a year...good place to go...each their own.

[crooked timber]

fly 200hrs a year

what corporate flying lacks in hours, it makes up for in hotel points (which, if i'm not mistaken, are redeemable at 1/2 credit towards the atpl requirements?)

[V1 Rotate]

fly 200hrs a year

what corporate flying lacks in hours, it makes up for in hotel points (which, if i'm not mistaken, are redeemable at 1/2 credit towards the atpl requirements?)

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[CorpPilot]

fly 200hrs a year

what corporate flying lacks in hours, it makes up for in hotel points (which, if i'm not mistaken, are redeemable at 1/2 credit towards the atpl requirements?)

+1. Win one free Internet

Lets not forget the room upgrades.... free breakys(pocket per diem)....rental car points.....and the mother of all... I get two 4-5 day trips to the carribbean a month in winter all-inclusives at that! Airline what!?

CP

[JohnnyHotRocks]

fly 200hrs a year

what corporate flying lacks in hours, it makes up for in hotel points (which, if i'm not mistaken, are redeemable at 1/2 credit towards the atpl requirements?)

from what I understand, the owner's wife collects ALL of the crew's hotel points at chartright....no joke

[Charles the Equestrian]

What exactly do you need hotel perks and travel benefits for when you're on a 14 on 3 off schedule while making 40k? Glamour glamour glamour.

[OhKiE DoHkIe]

What exactly do you need hotel perks and travel benefits for when you're on a 14 on 3 off schedule while making 40k? Glamour glamour glamour.

That'll do donkey...that'll doooo...

[into the blue]

Well, then I guess the guy in the ad is actually offering a sound advice.

[heavyjet]

Thanks for the info.corporate flying??????

[Liftdump]

Just so were not confused, Chartright is not corporate flying. Chartright is managed aircraft flying in Bizjets. There is a large diff.

[nottellin]

Whats the difference between the two liftdump?

[JohnnyHotRocks]

When you work for a management company, you are one of their employees, paid by the management company and subject to their rules. They make the sched and they are in charge of you as an employee....you report to the management company and in some cases, if they operate more than one of the same type, you will be shuffled around from customer to customer or even rented out (without extra compensation) to other operators (for example the Execaire "Gold wings" program, or whatever the hell they are calling it today...)
When you fly corporate, you are on the payroll of the company that OWNS the airplane. You are part of the company that owns the aircraft, and at large enough companies, you are typically classified as management and sometimes entiltled to the benefits that go with it (for example, GM pilots...when there was still a flight department, were treated as management and given company cars, etc..)
Corporate jobs are hard to get and usually you have to know someone working there to get in. Many pilots in business aviation work for management companies....in fact, I'm sure that most Canadian business aircraft are or have been managed by these companies. The job can be very good though, if you have a good relationship with the aircraft owner. The pilots can then dictate to the management company how things are to be operated if they are backed up by the owner....typically the management company then accepts the fact that they "manage" the aircraft, but the crew calls the shots....a very good position for pilots....management companies don't like that and will actually discourage (or forbid) conversation with the aircraft owners for fear of losing control....

Hope that helps

[nottellin]

yes it did, interesting, thanks

[Liftdump]

That is a very good answer JohnnyHotRocks.You summed up that one to a tee.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

That is a very good answer JohnnyHotRocks.You summed up that one to a tee.

Thanks,
been there, done that, got the t-shirt

[Johnny#5]

Any updates or new experiences?

[dashx]

Supposedly A Global, Lear and a Mustang coming

[cj555]

Saw an article about Chartright Air Group in the Sept 2011 issue of "Canadian Skies" aviantion magazine. Looks like things are going well there, they now have 23 fixed wing, and 2 helicopters. Definitely looks like a good place to work (only 1 turboprop, the rest turbines: Lear, Challenger, Global, Citation, Gulfstream, Falcon).

Last post in this thread was Dec 2010.

Anybody currently there? What level of TT and PIC time are they hiring? How is the turnover? Is the schedule still 14 days on, 3 off (as was described earlier in the thread)?

[tons-o-fun]

Pay still sucks, still really disorganized, no movement, shut up and do your job attitude ( with legit concerns), dfo is an idiot, everyone in the office including dispatchers have a title ( very top heavy org) Honestly all Chartright cares about is image to their customers and doesn't give a shit about its own employees morale. There's always more pilots that want to fly those shiny new jets kind of attitude.

[cj555]

Pay still sucks, still really disorganized, no movement, shut up and do your job attitude ( with legit concerns), dfo is an idiot, everyone in the office including dispatchers have a title ( very top heavy org) Honestly all Chartright cares about is image to their customers and doesn't give a shit about its own employees morale. There's always more pilots that want to fly those shiny new jets kind of attitude.

Wow that does not sound like an idea place to work. I watched their corp video, and I can see the "its all about the customer" attitude. The customer is important, but almost more imporant is employee moral since they are the ones providing the front line service. Happy employees = better job performance = happier customers. Thanks for the update.

[Capt_sky]

Any updates on

Salary
Positions to be filled
General working conditions (benefits, holidays, etc)

What do they expect from pilots? Empty the lav? Vacuum the plane? 1h on call? 2h on call? Cheers
Capt.

[GUMPS]

Any updates on

Salary
Positions to be filled
General working conditions (benefits, holidays, etc)

What do they expect from pilots? Empty the lav? Vacuum the plane? 1h on call? 2h on call? Cheers
Capt.

All of the above.

[rifle]

Anyone got a call for an interview? how did it go?

thanks

[mrsapproach]

Anyone hear anything yet?