Air Transat / Air Canada / Jazz PROBATION YEAR

[look on your back]

Would you guys think that starting now with one of this 3 comp. TRANSAT, AC or Jazz will be an idea if your mind is having kids, taking Reduce Time Block, taking PARENTAL leave etc ??? (let say your young boy having dad at home)

Ex : Would you be able to take 5 weeks parental leave after just a few months @ TRANSAT, or taking half time blocks ??? Talking about PROBATION, would it change something to take one of this avantages during your first year of employement ???

The pilot conditions man

[flyinhigh]

An employer cannot turn down parental leave as it is part of labour law. It may look bad but there is nothing they can do.

[Plim Sole]

Join Jazz, have a baby, go on parental leave if you want to... simple.
Be aware that the 2 parents get a certain amount of leave. If you take 5 weeks, thats 5 weeks less she can take.
Parental leave is nothing to do with Probation. Its not an issue.
There are some reduced blocks available from time to time but the chances of you getting them with virtually no seniority is slim to bugger all.

Plim

[BTD]

Just to add to the above.

There is a difference between Parental Leave as provided through The Canada Labour Code, and Parental/Mat Benefits provided by Services Canada.

You are right away entitled to leave through the Canada Labour Code. The family is allotted 52 weeks total leave. 17 Must be taken by the mother, the other 35 can be taken by either parent in any division and may overlap with the other parent.

As to the Benefit you will receive from the Services Canada, there is a 2 week waiting period before you or your spouse can collect the benefits. This is like an insurance deductible. You are not paid for the first two weeks leave. The 2 weeks is taken by either person collecting the benefit. So your total compensation from the government will be for 50 weeks. In addition before receiving a benefit you must have a minimum time put in at the company.

http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/t ... Qualifying

Who is eligible?

To be entitled to maternity, parental or sickness benefits you must show that:

* your regular weekly earnings have been decreased by more than 40%; and

* you have accumulated 600 insured hours in the last 52 weeks or since your last claim. This period is called the qualifying period.

So to simplify. You can legally take the leave right away. You will not receive any benefits until you have put in 600 hrs of work at the company. I believe they keep track of that in their record of employment (ROE) that will be submitted to Service Canada to start collecting the claim.

There may be other CBA agreements that can affect this with each company.

BTD

[ahramin]

With Transat you cannot apply for reduced blocks or for shared month on month off in the first year (while on probation in other words).

As stated parental leave is covered under the Labour Code.

[flyinhigh]

To expand on this,

If you join Jazz, under section 16.$#..#$(can't remember location) your wife can take a full 48 weeks, while you can take up to 22 months at reduced block and the company can only say when do you wanna start it.

To take this RTB, you must first take 1 month on parental leave which would bring you to 11 months remaining. With Section 16 you can take the remaining months (11). Than double the time as a RTB to give you the 22 months. Very simple process as I am on it right now. Seniority don't mean squat when it comes to this

I kept thinking it was based off of the labour code, meaing wife takes 6 months, I can only have a year at RTB. I was wrong however, this has NOTHING to do with labour code. Your wife can be off the full time, and you can take the max RTB if you want.

This option is also really good as you will get a chance to go on the road, catch up on sleep, you'll work about 8 days a month depending on seniorty for the sked you can hold. Also you can do your 3 WDO's which will bring you to only 20 hours shy of a full block pay. So your doing this having to only work a MAX of 11 days a month, or 8 if no WDO's.

The other down fall of this is that with the Benefits you have to pay 70%, however with our new LOLOP return every month you actually only pay 50%.

Hope that helps

[Vortex_driver]

I believe the 600 insured hours required are any hours that you worked as an employee for any company... So that would include the hours at all the companies that you worked in the last 52 weeks...

[lawndart]

Canada Labour code says you need to be there 6 months before you can take a parental leave. 206.1

[look on your back]

This really cleared my mind.... thank you guys

[fish4life]

Don't you see this as a bit of a breach of trust, personally I could never do that to a company. I mean if they child is unplanned well Sh1t happens, but if you are planning on getting on with an airline having them to spend $40 000 training you only to have to fly for a month then be like "well I'm taking parental leave now cya, I'll be back in 6 months"

I could be way off base with this too

[flyinhigh]

Don't you see this as a bit of a breach of trust, personally I could never do that to a company. I mean if they child is unplanned well Sh1t happens, but if you are planning on getting on with an airline having them to spend $40 000 training you only to have to fly for a month then be like "well I'm taking parental leave now cya, I'll be back in 6 months"

I could be way off base with this too

I see what your saying, I really do. However what is one suppose to do. He dreams of being in a airline, the time comes but says no because said wife is pregnent. Or you do what is best for your family in the end and that is take the job, knowing that you have stability.

What is worse, everyone coming here to Jazz having us spend 50K on training ya to have you leave at the first opportunity, or someone coming here going on a leave for family reason's. Guess who I would hire in a second. Its not the stepping stone guy, at least the second one has morals.

Yes, I look at people coming to jazz as a stepping stone the same way as the guy that pays 10K up front for a job only to quit 6 months later and than bitch that he lost his money.

[fish4life]

I see what your saying and agree

[teacher]

see what your saying, I really do. However what is one suppose to do. He dreams of being in a airline, the time comes but says no because said wife is pregnent. Or you do what is best for your family in the end and that is take the job, knowing that you have stability.

What is worse, everyone coming here to Jazz having us spend 50K on training ya to have you leave at the first opportunity, or someone coming here going on a leave for family reason's. Guess who I would hire in a second. Its not the stepping stone guy, at least the second one has morals.

Agreed

[Tiny Voices]

Considering that anyone of these companies stands to gain 20 plus years of service out of this person, I wouldn't be too worried about it. They will surely get their monies worth out of him. Never heard of an airline being anything but understanding when it comes to life events.