Perimeter plus Keewatin minus skyward = monster

[Schlem]

So Perimeter bought another company ehh??

Are they even group 1 rated?

Oh and another thing artic flying is not an art form for the select few. All it takes, just like everything else, is training.

Maybe the best thing for both companies is to put them as f/o's untill it is their turn.

You have experienced metro crews versus experienced artic crews. What are you guys gonna do???

Are you serious???

First of all... contrary what you think and what even the Winnipeg Free Press misreported... Perimeter did not buy Keewatin Air. EEIF bought Keewatin Air just as EEIF bought Perimeter last year. We are owned by EEIF and it's unit holders.

How do you get a group 1... all it takes is a PPC, which will be required for both Captian and F/O on a Metro III. BTW... most of the senior Keewatin pilots have time in the King Air.

Oh and another thing... flying a Metro is not an art form for the select few. All it takes, just like everything else, is training. BTW... many years ago I had no problem transitioning from the "flight deck" of the PC-12 to a Merlin SW2A with no autopilot.

I'm sure the companies will do the best thing when it comes to crewing the Kivalliq Metros.

What are we gonna do... have fun and enjoy the new growth and opportunities.

[inverter]

Allright Schlem, you got me at my own game. True all it takes is a PPC, and I am sure that all it takes is training. And yes I misunderstood, EIG OR EIIF own the companies not perimeter. HOWEVER going from a single engine modern aircraft to a multi engine basic instrument aircraft is NOT something to take lightly. When was the last time YOU did V1 cuts??? Remember, it is a medium aircraft so you will have to go, one engine out past V1. There is no auto trim for the rudders/ailerons so YOU are wrestling with the aircraft. How about circling approaches on one engine with the asymmetric thrust. This will be steep learning curve for all of you on the PC12. Besides the fact of getting to be comfortable with the aircraft, and its idiosychrocies. Again I am not saying you can't, all that I said was that it certainly poses a concern for all involved, and maybe for the sake of safety, the perimeter people should fly first and after a while you guys integrate into the system and step in.

[Northern Flyer]

inverter, give me a break man. V1 cuts, single engine approaches big freaken deal. Any profesional pilot can handle this. Get your head out of your 150 and wake up.

Cheers

[just curious]

Oh, and Inverter?
While everyone else is taking shots, we veteran "Artic Pilots" like to spell it Arctic.
As for the Arctic/Metro stuff, Training and Line Indoc are there for just that reason.

[inverter]

Just Curious, Ouch, a moment of dyslexia

[Schlem]

Allright Schlem, you got me at my own game. True all it takes is a PPC, and I am sure that all it takes is training. And yes I misunderstood, EIG OR EIIF own the companies not perimeter. HOWEVER going from a single engine modern aircraft to a multi engine basic instrument aircraft is NOT something to take lightly. When was the last time YOU did V1 cuts???

Hi Inverter... you're making this too easy for me...

I have lots of simulator time for the Learjet 35A and the King Air B200 so I'm quite familiar with V1 cuts... luckily I haven't had a real engine emergency in either plane...*knock on wood* but I have done simulated engine failures at rotation in the King Air at altitude as part of the initail PPC ride in the actual pane after returning from SimuFlite.

Don't worry about the introduction of a Metro III to Keewatin's operation... it will be done right.

[inverter]

So you have Lear and king air experience, but are flying a PC12?

[Schlem]

So you have Lear and king air experience, but are flying a PC12?

Where did I say I am flying a PC-12?

My PC-12 PPC expired a long long time ago.

[inverter]

OK, so you fly a BE200. You have Lear experience, and now you are going to fly a Metro 3 or 23 whichever. Didn't like the Lear? , just kidding.
So a lot of the crews at keewatin have multi-turbo prop and or jet experience? Must be quite a company to work for that attracts people with that kind of experience. I suppose then the point is no longer. I was not aware that keewatin had such an experienced pilot base.
All that is left to say than is good luck, and my apologies.

[giligan]

Invertor, Yes, Perimeter pilots do have a union, however we prefer to call it an association. It has worked very effectively in the past. I don't think there will be another ACPA/ALPA fight, we like our employers and have a good relationship. As to what we are going to do, Shlem and I are going to go out for beers and hash this thing out in a drunken stupor on the back of an Earls cocktail napkin over a game of Risk, then we'll post it up here so you can stay on the up and up.
giligan

[Schlem]

OK, so you fly a BE200. You have Lear experience, and now you are going to fly a Metro 3 or 23 whichever. Didn't like the Lear? , just kidding.
So a lot of the crews at keewatin have multi-turbo prop and or jet experience? Must be quite a company to work for that attracts people with that kind of experience. I suppose then the point is no longer. I was not aware that keewatin had such an experienced pilot base.
All that is left to say than is good luck, and my apologies.

Actually, 2 of us have jet time, and most pilots at Keewatin have spent some time in the King Air. We have 6 full time King Air crews and you may be suprised but most of us started at Keewatin with 250 hours and have gained a wide range of experience due to the fact of the different aircraft we have had over the years.

The Learjet was the the best flying position I have had yet but the Learjet side of the company was bought out by CGAA and I had no desire to fly with them after the spilt. The Metro III... I'll be considering it.

Thanks and no worries.

[Schlem]

As to what we are going to do, Shlem and I are going to go out for beers and hash this thing out in a drunken stupor on the back of an Earls cocktail napkin over a game of Risk, then we'll post it up here so you can stay on the up and up.
giligan

LOL!

Looking forward to beers with you guys... I'll be home tomorrow for 2 weeks and have been in touch with Disco Stu... in fact... I remember paying last time I was out for beers with Stu... so...

[oldhand]

Do believe pilots have left Keewatin to fly other A/C before. Let's see...from memory they went on to fly 737, Citation, Challenger, Metro IIs & IIs, Saab-340..help me out here. If memory serves guys went directly from PC-12 to captain on Citation, Metro III, Hawker 800(?) and other stuff. I am sure someone on here can let us know how these folks made out for sure but I don't recall reading about any smoking holes being made. Flyin' is 10% hands and feet and 80% between the ol' ears. The remaining 10% is shit-house-luck...and I must be into the 11th% by now.

[Localizer]

LH ..

Guess im a dummie .. I don't know who Mr. Jessiman is, nor do I really care .. Cuz I can assure you he's done shit for me .. regardless .. Not that I care about this either but from watching this circus develope I have to say that there is more than meets the eye going on in MB. Seems like the Government of MB is in bed with a big green dildo! ..

hope you like the analogy!

[LH]

Localizer -------Jessiman is a business man and a smart one at that......as they say, "stupid as a fox". The government of Manitoba is NDP and is a tad "too pink" for one Mr. Jessiman, but he'll work with anyone if he can see the word "profit" at the end of the tunnel. If there's any "intercourse" taking place then he'll be the "screwer" and some other entity will be the "screwee".

[LH]

Localizer -------Jessiman is a business man and a smart one at that......as they say, "stupid as a fox". The government of Manitoba is NDP and is a tad "too pink" for one Mr. Jessiman, but he'll work with anyone if he can see the word "profit" at the end of the tunnel. If there's any "intercourse" taking place then he'll be the "screwer" and and some other person the "screwee". Don't let Manitoba fool you.......there's lots of "heavy money" around, BUT they keep a REAL low profile. There's plenty of "Richarsons" south of the Assiniboine River.

[64cruzr]

l8r

[inverter]

Dear 64cruzr, nice that you join in. FYI I have had the pleasure to be flying for the last 15 years, for many companies in canada, both in the north and in the south. As I have never worked in MB, nor did the opportunity present itself to me I never got to know any of the crews of either company.

Please take a happy pil,

Yours Truly,

Inverter

[jabber]

OK, OK, enough shit slinging for just a moment.... Now, in the meantime, all on their own, another little "wannabe", trying to snag some easy money that others have put honest work and effort over many, many years into (yes I said wannabe), spent so much time trying to screw every one else, they don't see what's going on in their own back yard (IE: dee bogus parts put on dee aeroplanes, dee bogus training and judgement of their crews, etc, etc....), dey's get shut down.

Looks like shit slinging sounds like shit slinging smells like shit slinging....could it be shit slinging??

[Localizer]

LH .. do you have a thing for this Jessiman??? .. you sound a little too into the guy .. "stalker!" ..

[Sundance10]

Hey Schlem,

Give me a call....

ttyl

[64cruzr]

My previous message was misguided and harsh, apologies to those offended.

[64cruzr]

Happy pill taken.

[inverter]

Same here