with 921 hrs, what are my chances of getting a turboprop job

[Joe Blow Schmo]

No chance with 921 hours. If only you had 933.5! That's the magic number for turbine jobs.

Wow, then I was lucky. I got my first turboprop job with 929.7 hours!

Oh you must've parker penned the extra 3.8!

[tca]

mind asking what company u r working at? any hiring now?thanks a lot.

He used to work for Wasaya... They may even be hiring! Try listing Doc as a reference, let us know how it goes!:)
He now works for a YQK based King Air operator... Shouldn't be hard to find online. No idea if they are hiring. As he said, their turnover is rather low.

[takamasa]

mind asking what company u r working at? any hiring now?thanks a lot.

He used to work for Wasaya... They may even be hiring! Try listing Doc as a reference, let us know how it goes!:)
He now works for a YQK based King Air operator... Shouldn't be hard to find online. No idea if they are hiring. As he said, their turnover is rather low.

I am afraid i should not put Doc's name a reference as i dont have a permission to do so.

i would love to join wasaya but from their web site, they are not hiring now.

[Forest Gump]

Why just turboprop? Why are you ruling out piston?

[KK7]

Why just turboprop? Why are you ruling out piston?

Everyone knows, turboprops are just so much cooler.

[Dagwood]

Everyone knows, turboprops are just so much cooler.

+1
Chicks don't dig piston pilots.

[KK7]

Exactly... when I go to the bar and a chick asks me what kind of plane I fly, I say turboprop. After the look of confusion on her face, she asks does that mean it's one of those propellor planes? I say, Yeah, but what makes it turns is this little jet engine inside. Then she's all over me.

You just can't get that with a piston. She asks, What kind of plane do you fly? Oh it's a piston powered plane. Oh, it has a propellor? I say, Yes. Then she asks, And it's powered by the same thing that's in my car? I have no choice but to say, Pretty much yeah... She leaves, Oh, I forgot I'm supposed to go meet my friend over here, bye.

[takamasa]

mind asking one more stupid question

just wondering how they usually contact you for an interview? phone calls or emails?

Also does it have to be face to face interview or over the phone?

sorry, guys, it might be a very stupid question but since i dont have experience in this area so i guess i have to seek helps from u guys, thanks a lot every one.

[KK7]

mind asking one more stupid question

just wondering how they usually contact you for an interview? phone calls or emails?

Also does it have to be face to face interview or over the phone?

sorry, guys, it might be a very stupid question but since i dont have experience in this area so i guess i have to seek helps from u guys, thanks a lot every one.

Could be any of the above. Some companies use the phone to contact people for interviews, sometimes email if you sent them an application electronically. As for the interview, usually it is face to face, but from time to time if you are nowhere near the location of interview, and they can't flying you in for a reasonably price, then they might opt for over the phone, but I'd say this is the exception.

[takamasa]

mind asking one more stupid question

just wondering how they usually contact you for an interview? phone calls or emails?

Also does it have to be face to face interview or over the phone?

sorry, guys, it might be a very stupid question but since i dont have experience in this area so i guess i have to seek helps from u guys, thanks a lot every one.

Could be any of the above. Some companies use the phone to contact people for interviews, sometimes email if you sent them an application electronically. As for the interview, usually it is face to face, but from time to time if you are nowhere near the location of interview, and they can't flying you in for a reasonably price, then they might opt for over the phone, but I'd say this is the exception.

check your mark.

i usually submitted my application through emails and hardly receive anything from them.
I also wonder if they actually spend time to go through ur cover letter and resume if u send by emails. as they might receive tonnes of emails each day.

[KK7]

takamasa,

That's a fair comment. It's just been my experience with two major airlines did call me first, left voicemail (as I was working at the time), but within a couple of hours they followed up with an email as well. But these are guys with hefty HR departments.

Good point about the cover letter though... When I did a bit of hiring in the past, there was no way one could read the entire cover letter when browsing through all the applications. Check the resume to make sure they at least meet the minimum criteria, then if we had time, scan the cover letter for anything that pops out like a name of a connection in the company. We only get to reading the whole cover letter for the final list of applicants we decide to call in, otherwise we'd take years to just hire a few guys, or need a team of readers. I also get the same impression from other companies that I apply to work at.

Hints for the cover letter:
- Keep it short, 3 paragraphs max of 3 sentences each, and don't make the paragraphs long, and stick to the point.
- Expect that realistically only the first paragraph will be read, maybe only the first sentence. If you are going to tell them that your buddy is one of their senior pilots, put it right at the beginning, otherwise you can expect it to get lost.
- Don't repeat what's already on your resume... you don't need to say twice where you used to work.
- Briefly explain who you are, why you want to work for this company, and toot your horn about how good you are, but keep this one for the last paragraph since it may not be read anyways.

Even though people don't really read the cover letter, without it you may be very well dead in the water.

Oh, and if you have a generic cover letter you send to everyone and just change a few things, forget it. Not only is it horribly transparent, too many forget to change the name of the company they last applied to. Taking the time to write a cover letter specific to the company you are applying to, shows that you care and are actually interested in working for them, and that you're not just plastering the country with your resume, even though we know you are.

[takamasa]

takamasa,

That's a fair comment. It's just been my experience with two major airlines did call me first, left voicemail (as I was working at the time), but within a couple of hours they followed up with an email as well. But these are guys with hefty HR departments.

Good point about the cover letter though... When I did a bit of hiring in the past, there was no way one could read the entire cover letter when browsing through all the applications. Check the resume to make sure they at least meet the minimum criteria, then if we had time, scan the cover letter for anything that pops out like a name of a connection in the company. We only get to reading the whole cover letter for the final list of applicants we decide to call in, otherwise we'd take years to just hire a few guys, or need a team of readers. I also get the same impression from other companies that I apply to work at.

Hints for the cover letter:
- Keep it short, 3 paragraphs max of 3 sentences each, and don't make the paragraphs long, and stick to the point.
- Expect that realistically only the first paragraph will be read, maybe only the first sentence. If you are going to tell them that your buddy is one of their senior pilots, put it right at the beginning, otherwise you can expect it to get lost.
- Don't repeat what's already on your resume... you don't need to say twice where you used to work.
- Briefly explain who you are, why you want to work for this company, and toot your horn about how good you are, but keep this one for the last paragraph since it may not be read anyways.

Even though people don't really read the cover letter, without it you may be very well dead in the water.

Oh, and if you have a generic cover letter you send to everyone and just change a few things, forget it. Not only is it horribly transparent, too many forget to change the name of the company they last applied to. Taking the time to write a cover letter specific to the company you are applying to, shows that you care and are actually interested in working for them, and that you're not just plastering the country with your resume, even though we know you are.

just sent you a PM

[takamasa]

btw, do u guys have any comment on Sunwest Aviation?

do u guys think i have the mini. requirement for their FO position??


thanks guys!

[Aerialworker623]

I was in your position 2-3 years ago about a 1000 hrs with no real multi time working seasonally, and all I can say is keep pounding the pavement with your flying gear I drove up north and into a few neighboring provinces. You never know when you will get a chance to ride along and help load or even fly an empty leg! Also show persistence and professionalism, most of the good charter/ medevac companies want someone to fit in to there crew someone that you can sit next to and not annoy. If there is someone you want to work for, feel them out and pay them a visit in person I once drove 14 hrs just to introduce myself as the guy that probably broke there fax machine from the resumes I sent every month. But they will remember you the next time there is an opening. Same goes for interviews offer to come in person so they can get to know you because first impressions stick. So if you want a ok job it takes some time and persistence but it's things like that along with showing up prepared knowing some specs/ limitations of the equipment will get you farther that buddy sending emails and taking phone interviews.

Best of luck I am sure many will have things to add but this was how I got out of the fart carts

[767]

hours don't really mean anything what kind of a guy are you to sit in the cock-pit with?

What's that got to do with flying? If the guy/gal is licensed and is trained to do the job, it means he/she can perform the assigned duties in both normal and abnormal conditions. Just because they dont have anything in common with the felllow crew member (in their personal lives) it doesnt mean that they should'nt be hired.

With respect to the hours, its all about the experience. However, if you got them from instructing, you better have been a good instructor. If you were the kind that just wanted that instructor job to build time and not care about the student, then that time is useless, and that kind of candidate doesn't deserve to be hired.

[takamasa]

I was in your position 2-3 years ago about a 1000 hrs with no real multi time working seasonally, and all I can say is keep pounding the pavement with your flying gear I drove up north and into a few neighboring provinces. You never know when you will get a chance to ride along and help load or even fly an empty leg! Also show persistence and professionalism, most of the good charter/ medevac companies want someone to fit in to there crew someone that you can sit next to and not annoy. If there is someone you want to work for, feel them out and pay them a visit in person I once drove 14 hrs just to introduce myself as the guy that probably broke there fax machine from the resumes I sent every month. But they will remember you the next time there is an opening. Same goes for interviews offer to come in person so they can get to know you because first impressions stick. So if you want a ok job it takes some time and persistence but it's things like that along with showing up prepared knowing some specs/ limitations of the equipment will get you farther that buddy sending emails and taking phone interviews.

Best of luck I am sure many will have things to add but this was how I got out of the fart carts

thanks for your comment, i just arrived in edmonton last night and will make some visit to certain companies up north in alberta, hopefully things will work out.

wonder if you have any advise for me in terms of companies that i should visit. i have only couples in my pocket.

i will keep you guys posted on how it goes tomorrow.

thanks everyone for support.

cheers