Rec/private flying counting towards accumulator?
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Rec/private flying counting towards accumulator?
Im having a hard time finding a definitive answer in CARS.. I fly commercially and was wondering if my recreational flying in my own private aircraft counts towards my total accumulator (daily,weekly,monthly and yearly times).. If so that could be a problem with my work. It would be a real downer if I cant fly my own plane...
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Re: Rec/private flying counting towards accumulator?
I can't comment on your Company, in mine though, it is specified in our Operations Manual. If they don't specifically say you can't, then you can.
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Re: Rec/private flying counting towards accumulator?
700.15 (1) Subject to subsection (2), no air operator shall assign a flight crew member for flight time, and no flight crew member shall accept such an assignment, if the flight crew member's total flight time in all flights conducted by the flight crew member will, as a result, exceed
(a) 1,200 hours in any 365 consecutive days;
(b) 300 hours in any 90 consecutive days;
(c) 120 hours in any 30 consecutive days or, in the case of a flight crew member on call, 100 hours in any 30 consecutive days;
(d) where the flight is conducted under Subpart 4 or 5 using an aircraft other than a helicopter, 40 hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(e) where the flight is conducted under Subpart 2 or 3, or is conducted using a helicopter, 60 hours in any 7 consecutive days; or
(f) where the flight crew member conducts single-pilot IFR flights, 8 hours in any 24 consecutive hours.
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Re: Rec/private flying counting towards accumulator?
As long as your employer isn't assigning you homework, you should be fine. Seriously though, it's not a problem.700.15 (1) Subject to subsection (2), NO AIR OPERATOR SHALL ASSIGN a flight crew member for flight time, and no flight crew member shall accept such an assignment, if the flight crew member's total flight time in all flights conducted by the flight crew member will, as a result, exceed
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Re: Rec/private flying counting towards accumulator?
Not saying an employer will or will not have a problem with it depending on how much flying they need you to do, but based on the wording of the CARs as posted above, flying your own private aircraft does cut into the total time you are allowed to fly in a commercial air service.
I think this is a discussion you should have with you Chief Pilot. I know many people fly under the radar on their own and not tell their employer and get away with it. But should the unthinkable happen, if it comes to light that you were over the maximum allowed flight time for a specified period because of flying you did on your own time in your private aircraft, both you and your employer will get hit with busting the max flight times.
I think this is a discussion you should have with you Chief Pilot. I know many people fly under the radar on their own and not tell their employer and get away with it. But should the unthinkable happen, if it comes to light that you were over the maximum allowed flight time for a specified period because of flying you did on your own time in your private aircraft, both you and your employer will get hit with busting the max flight times.
Re: Rec/private flying counting towards accumulator?
KK7 is right on this one: Even though the commercial air operator might not have known about your flying conducted outside of work, this flight time still count towards your "flight crew member's total flight time in all flights conducted by the flight crew" and therefore could be the justification for a penalty both to you, as well as for them.
Re: Rec/private flying counting towards accumulator?
As KK7 and CFMartin said, every hour you log counts towards those limits.
You could always try to get an exemption from the Minister. I don't think there is a valid safety case to be made that you can drive your car on your own time but not fly your plane.
Personally, I would keep my private flying in a separate log book from my commercial flying and not worry about it. Not suggesting you do something illegal, just saying what I would do.
In any case, if you are flying anywhere near the max hours stated in the CARs, I hope you are being remunerated very well for it.
You could always try to get an exemption from the Minister. I don't think there is a valid safety case to be made that you can drive your car on your own time but not fly your plane.
Personally, I would keep my private flying in a separate log book from my commercial flying and not worry about it. Not suggesting you do something illegal, just saying what I would do.
In any case, if you are flying anywhere near the max hours stated in the CARs, I hope you are being remunerated very well for it.



