Southwest Pilot + Stuck Mike + Pilot Rant = Suspension

[CL-Skadoo!]

Haha! Poor guy. Very embarassing. I wouldn't agree that it was hate-filled at all though, it sounded more like he was complaining that he hasn't met a suitable female in six months :\ to give him the benefit of the doubt, a lot of people use crass words to describe regular stuff to try to sound cool and this sounds like one of those to me. He thought he was in privacy, so I'd give the guy a break, we all make woopsies.

"I hate 100% of their asses" ... no hate there. If I had to give a statistic, maybe 2 out of 100 of the people I have flown with in my career talked like that, and yes, it definitely was hate-filled. No pass for this tirade. I feel for the first officer who has to sit and listen to this dummy.

[Sulako]

"I hate 100% of their asses" ... no hate there. If I had to give a statistic, maybe 2 out of 100 of the people I have flown with in my career talked like that, and yes, it definitely was hate-filled. No pass for this tirade. I feel for the first officer who has to sit and listen to this dummy.

+1

It's one thing to make an embarrassing comment on the radio, it's another thing entirely to spew hatred and venom over the airwaves. No sympathy whatsoever for this doorknob.

[1B9Pilot]

Well they have a good script for their next "Wanna Get Away" Commercial.

[RFN]

He has embarassed all of us.

Some of the best overnights I have had are with the people he seems to hate the most.

[Nark]

Ya, but he didn't say anything about race.

I'm glad this guy is flying the line, after a pee-pee slap. He got his just desert.

[gaypilot]

I had an explicit example of just that situation where I provided a modified transcript, replacing the derogatory sexual context with racial. That was deemed inappropriate by the admins. I think that fact proves a point that why should we not be getting upset about this on the same level. Being derogatory to some based on age, sex AND sexual preference as opposed to race. One gets the chop as inappropriate and one gets some people on this board defending him.

[quote=BCPilot85]I wouldn't agree that it was hate-filled at all though[/quote]
[quote=System Message]I agree Southwest will have trouble attracting passengers if the public knows what the cabin crew is like.[/quote]

People need to realize that this sort of rant is just as much hate filled, as the n word an so forth.

[Rotten Apple #1]

This incident makes me realize that my habit of using the hand mike for ATC communications presents much less of a liability (to me personally) than the push-to-talk function/boom mike of the Telex 850's I use in the '37. Admittedly, the probability of a stuck mike is fairly low, but yikes! In my case, a stuck mike (probably by sitting on the hand mike) results in muffled unidentifiable noise. For those with the boom mike sitting an inch from their mouth, well, a stuck mike gives clear as a bell sound.

Though my company requires the wearing of a boom mike fitted headset, it doesn't dictate I have to actually use the boom mike for my transmissions. Yet.

I have had one too many 'pocket dials' on my cell phone (I recently switched to a low tech flip phone to eliminate the threat) to believe that technology won't bite me in the butt, given the right circumstances.

There but for the grace of...

[atpl53]

"This has been a reminder to me: We need to try to do the right thing every time, to perform at our best, because we never know which moment in our lives we’ll be judged on."

Captain "Sully" Sullenberger

[oldncold]

as some one who has hr skills newly minted ones this is a no brainer termination will be the result . the law suit that the 'offended persons could bring would be rather large' at the very least the company will minimize ist liability by removing the problem thereby showing postive action .


next as to the comments about the cvr// the new cvr's are 3-4 hrs now
and mgt can pull them without your knowledge even mantenance does not have to know the pass words. only to the flight data . this is first hand from an ops mgr. and it is not only 705 carriers that have them .

remember big brother is watching and 1984 just arrived 25yrs late that is all. fly safe

[Dagwood]

Southwest Airlines has landed a spot on AC360's RidicuList.

...sorry, I can't figure out how to embed the video.

[SuperchargedRS]

I dont see this issue, the guy blew off a little steam.

I have a few gay friends, some older friends, not so many fat friends and I have found my self saying some "hateful" things when I go to a bar where all I find are gay dudes, older people and fat girls, doesn't mean I'm hateful just..frustrated

The only group of people I dont like are the super PC crowd...and fat people, not a big fan of fat people (on the fence about midgets too) lol

[ahramin]

We seem to be divided into two camps. Those that admit to speaking like this on a regular basis, and those who don't.

I'm in the those who don't camp. And I feel the same way about those who do as again:

He's an embarrassement to himself, his company, and the profession.

Whether or not it gets made public by a stuck mic.

[yycflyguy]

Has anyone thought that maybe the FO had enough too, reached over and turned on the hot-mike or pushed the transmit button? Interesting that the FO didn't make a single comment during the tirade. Give him rope and let him hang himself.

[Odysseus]

Has anyone thought that maybe the FO had enough too, reached over and turned on the hot-mike or pushed the transmit button? Interesting that the FO didn't make a single comment during the tirade. Give him rope and let him hang himself.

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Personnaly I probably would have told the capt. to shut up, I don't want to hear about his frustrated sex life. I've done it in the past on one occasion, because I figured I'd rather sit through 2 hours of sterile cocpit with no conversation other than SOP calls than listen to the drivel he was spouting off.

[pile_it]

Any time the the Captain's PTT is pressed, the FO can't transmit anything to ATC, (as long as they're both on the same comm) and vice versa. How do you know the FO wasn't involved?

[rotateandfly]

Conan O' Brien mentioned this incident in one of his monologues this week, saying: " A Southwest airline pilot complained that the women in Houston were only part-doable.. Well, the women in Houston responded saying that Southwest airline pilots make love the way they fly: with frequent stops and a tiny sack of nuts."

[North Shore]

http://www.menshealth.com/fattestcities2010/

[culver10]

This Capt is a grade A, 100% asshole!! He will only have a beer with a co-worker if he if he thinks he might get some ass? That would make me really gay because all of my fellow Tech-Ops co-workers are dudes, and I enjoy having a beer with them? I enjoy beer and will have one with ANYONE; gay, older or large!!

[tsgas]

I figure with hidden cameras, whistle blowers, wikileaks, and all the rest... pretty soon you wont be able to trust anybody with anything.

Sometimes it's just best not knowing.... but this was pretty funny.

George Orwell 1984... Scary stuff

My thoughts exactely ,beware of the "thought police"

[North Shore]

This Capt is a grade A, 100% asshole!!

Umm, are you sure it was the Captain? I heard an interview on the radio where he was speaking, and I got the distinct impression that it was the f/o who had the stuck mic...

[swordfish]

It's an offense to swear on the air ...

No longer true, in Canada anyway!

It most certainly USED TO BEan offence under the Radio Act of Canada (and the associated regulations). Profanity and numerous other categories of transmissions were prohibited. However, this act has been superseded by the Radiocommunications Act.

This is not regulated in the Aeronautics Act or the CARs. The Radiocommunications Act is an Industry Canada spectrum. That's the enabling legislation for our Restricted Radio Operators Certificate of Proficiency, now superseded by the Restricted Operator Certificate — Aeronautical.

As a matter of idle note, the interception, divulging, and rebroadcast of this rant is an offence in Canada, as would acting upon, or using any part of it, and it would also be considered a "broadcast" in Canada, which is prohibited under the Radiocommunications Regulations. (Broadcasting is of course enabled under other legislation, but the certificate this pilot was using for that transmission, on that frequency would not permit 'broadcasting').

I actually wonder how the media is able to rebroadcast it....

[erics2b]

As a matter of idle note, the interception, divulging, and rebroadcast of this rant is an offence in Canada, as would acting upon, or using any part of it, and it would also be considered a "broadcast" in Canada, which is prohibited under the Radiocommunications Regulations. (Broadcasting is of course enabled under other legislation, but the certificate this pilot was using for that transmission, on that frequency would not permit 'broadcasting').

I actually wonder how the media is able to rebroadcast it....

Then simply put, nobody anybody cares about violating this law (in this case). The same goes for the various websites allowing you to monitor various airports air traffic control. As goes with gliders and helicopters flying right hand patterns in left hand pattern aerodromes (blatant contravention of CAR 602.96(3)). As goes with pilots operating aeroplanes at idle power (which are momentarily defined as gliders, as per CAR 101.01(1)) without a glider license (CAR 401.24) or permit (note that PPL's can operate power driven aircraft at idle for "for the sole purpose of the holder's flight training or flight test", and hence, under the supervision of a glider instructor, as per CAR 401.26). As goes with sending a telegram or letter threatening a bird (section 331). As goes with the sale and possession of a book or magazine depicting any of the previous acts, or any other illegal act (Criminal Code of Canada, Chapter C-46, 163(7)).

[CFR]

It's an offense to swear on the air ...

No longer true, in Canada anyway!

It most certainly USED TO BEan offence under the Radio Act of Canada (and the associated regulations). Profanity and numerous other categories of transmissions were prohibited. However, this act has been superseded by the Radiocommunications Act.

This is not regulated in the Aeronautics Act or the CARs. The Radiocommunications Act is an Industry Canada spectrum. That's the enabling legislation for our Restricted Radio Operators Certificate of Proficiency, now superseded by the Restricted Operator Certificate — Aeronautical

USED TO BE are the operative words! http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2011/ ... 7-eng.html

"Additionally, the following items are repealed:

•Section 32, which prohibits profane, obscene and superfluous radio signals. This provision may be inconsistent with the Charter..."

Having encountered IC on a number of issues related to amateur radio I can say that getting them to enforce anything, is difficult at best.

J

[CFR]

As a matter of idle note, the interception, divulging, and rebroadcast of this rant is an offence in Canada, as would acting upon, or using any part of it, and it would also be considered a "broadcast" in Canada, which is prohibited under the Radiocommunications Regulations. (Broadcasting is of course enabled under other legislation, but the certificate this pilot was using for that transmission, on that frequency would not permit 'broadcasting').

I actually wonder how the media is able to rebroadcast it....

The prohibition relates to signals originating in Canada. As this rant origniated eleswhere, it would be allowed. As to tx's originating in Canada, a complaint would have to be made to IC and as noted, they are unlikely to act.

J

[Beefitarian]

Yeah but is anyone over at Industry Canada "do-able"?