Status Pay?

[whipline]

Out of curiosity, has there ever been talk of going to a status pay system at AC? Would it help get rid of the current hierarchy/animosity that presently exists? If I were a junior pilot on the 170/190 making the same as the senior 777 pilot I wouldn't care about the rest of the crap.

[flyinhigh]

Not to nit pick, BUT

As a junior pilot even under a statues pay system you would never make the same as a Senior pilot until you yourself reached the top of the pay scale.

In our case(Jazz) our senior guys are capped at 16 years. I got in 4 yrs so the senior guys at 16 will naturally make more.

On another note, I am sure this is what you meant so pls don't get defensive.

Now as for AC, you will never see a Statues pay system there, you are talking about a group that will run there young over with a car by making 10 tiered pay system, than when the car is done just to make sure there really hurting they follow with the bus and are trying to take away there Pension.

The senior guys there have had it to good for to long, to try and convice them that statues pay is better would be like trying to convince rosie o'donnell not to eat the crispie cream.

[CanadianEh]

IMO, a status pay system makes lots of sense if done correctly. It seems like more of a lifestyle thing... ie: if a 10 year Captain wants to flying the 170/190 to have an opportunity to be home more, he can do that without a pay cut. Status pay is popular in Europe, that's why younger pilots fly the larger wide body a/c and the older pilots prefer narrow body or planes that give them opportunity to improve lifestyle.

Don't think AC pilots would ever go for it, but they should take a good look at the types of benefits it would provide.

[Bede]

flyinhigh,

I don't think that comment about AC pilots running over their young was fair. I do believe they just voted down a contract which would have given them a decent raise at the expense of a pension for new hires.

BTW, when are you coming over to the dark side;)

Cheers,

[MackTheKnife]

Don't think AC pilots would ever go for it, but they should take a good look at the types of benefits it would provide.

The merits of status pay have been mulled over for over 30 years and the results are usually the same.

Everyone thinks its a good idea except : How do you make the changeover a fair one without pissing off the top 50% of the pilots who are finally on the other side of the formula pay earnings structure?

Unless you adopt a gradual phase in with some kind of grandfather clause to those who would stand to lose the most, it will never fly.

[rudder]

The TA that was rejected had status pay for the widebodies. That was one of the good features and will likely resurface in TAv2.0

[whipline]

Thanks Rudder. Question is are there more narrow body pilots then wide body? Is there a chance it could be voted in? If you significantly increase the pay of the majority at the expense of the minority why not? From the outside looking in I think status pay would solve a lot of your problems.

[vic777]

Status Pay would be a huge "win" for the Company as "FlyPast60" is a huge win for the Company. There are obvious ways to implement these "cultures" and result in a "win" for the Pilots also. However, achieving this "win win" requires thinking outside the box .... something ACPA is incapable of. The solutions have already been posted on these various forums over the past ten years. In fact if anyone at ACPA had applied themselves to the problem (instead of being obsessed with RED vs Blue) they could have leveraged the "FlyPast60" issue to implement Status Pay at no cost to the Company and with Millions of Dollars gained for the Pilot Group. (The Company would/will also reap hundreds of millions in benefits). I guess there are no bright lights in Management either ...

[FADEC]

"I guess there are no bright lights in Management either". Except they had the ACPA execs dancing just the way Calin wanted them to. Will loyalty be rewarded? Or failure recognised?

[retired or retarded]

flyinhigh,

I don't think that comment about AC pilots running over their young was fair. I do believe they just voted down a contract which would have given them a decent raise at the expense of a pension for new hires.

BTW, when are you coming over to the dark side;)

Cheers,

I am not so sure it was as much out of concerns for the pension of new hires with the barely passed no vote as many would like to portray. The bigger underlying concern seems to be more with taking away 320's and 767's for the LCC. I would not be surprised if we see our "awsome" flat salary extended even further to 3 or 4 years to maintain higher high end salaries which completely disproves any concern for new hires. I know how much fun it is living on that huge flat salary paycheck.