How is this legal?

[thirdtimecharm]

The advertisement did not say preference would be given to local candidates, it said preference to first nation candidates.
I could move there and over time gain local knowledge which should give me an advantage over unknown applicants.
I can never be a band member.

But you could move there and get a job with Wasaya.

[170 to xray]

How would you feel about an aviation program that you HAD to have proof of indian staus to gain access to?

[robertsailor1]

Look guys, this is Canada not the USA. Yes in the USA the Indians were a conquered nation but not in Canada. The British and Canadian's negotiated treaties with the native people..only problem is they failed to live up to them and it has cost our country big time.
Then we allowed our Christian Leaders to bugger their kids in their residential schools and basically completely destroyed 2 generations.
So now they are gaining some ground, finally. What a nice thing it would be to have young pilots come from some of those areas and I agree with the other poster, we should do whatever we can to encourage it.
I had a wonderful experience flying Otters and Beavers for C&M Airlines back in the mid 80's and I spent considerable time working with the different native groups and I found them to be a very humble and hardworking bunch of people. Fond memories for sure.

[Rudder Bug]

I like the job ads (not necessarily pilots) where they encourage "disabled or handicapped" people to apply. Sure they can apply, but they probably aren't the most suitable to physically demanding work.

Probably the same thing here. Not saying they don't exist, but I have yet to see an aboriginal pilot.

But you've hopefully heard of them? There are a few Chief Pilots (no pun intended) and senior captains out there... this is just off the top of my head.

Sean Loutitt
Ray Cameron
Norman Grist
Colin Gunn
Johnny May
Mike Innukshuk
Russ Bomberry (sp?)

I don't know anyone who would question their qualifications and I don't think that anyone on that list goes waving any flags either.

Real McKenzie
Henri Ashini
The late Paul Petawabano
Phil Petawabano
Albert R. Corston
Willard Haggen
Leo Rankin
Claude Leblanc
Denis Labrie

[Cat Driver]

For whatever it is worth I qualify as status Indian, but will not accept it because I abhor the whole process of apartheid.

Despite my Indian ancestry I managed to accomplish a few things in aviation.

Personally I do not agree with any offer of employment based on race.

[Doc]

Personally I do not agree with any offer of employment based on race.

BINGO

[thirdtimecharm]

For whatever it is worth I qualify as status Indian, but will not accept it because I abhor the whole process of apartheid.

Despite my Indian ancestry I managed to accomplish a few things in aviation.

Personally I do not agree with any offer of employment based on race.

"He was a good man, in spite of his racial handicaps"

I agree with you... welfare is probably best anyway. I forgot that we were all born equal

[Doc]

Look guys, this is Canada not the USA. Yes in the USA the Indians were a conquered nation but not in Canada. The British and Canadian's negotiated treaties with the native people..only problem is they failed to live up to them and it has cost our country big time.
Then we allowed our Christian Leaders to bugger their kids in their residential schools and basically completely destroyed 2 generations.
So now they are gaining some ground, finally. What a nice thing it would be to have young pilots come from some of those areas and I agree with the other poster, we should do whatever we can to encourage it.
I had a wonderful experience flying Otters and Beavers for C&M Airlines back in the mid 80's and I spent considerable time working with the different native groups and I found them to be a very humble and hardworking bunch of people. Fond memories for sure.

"We allowed our Christian Leaders to bugger their kids....." NEWS FLASH! I didn't "allow" anybody to bugger anybody! Did You?

"...now they are gaining some ground...." Some ground? We are handing them the country on a platter under the guise of being politically correct!

Call it what you like. It's reverse discrimination. Try advertising for "white" only employees. Just try it.

Nuff said.

[thirdtimecharm]

"...now they are gaining some ground...." Some ground? We are handing them the country on a platter under the guise of being politically correct!

Call it what you like. It's reverse discrimination. Try advertising for "white" only employees. Just try it.

Nuff said.

So it was your country?

And now its going to be mine?

What are you going to do when the darkies take over?

[Rudder Bug]

Ok ok, we are all equal. But some are more equal than the others.

RB

[Doc]

What are you going to do when the darkies take over?

Watch my local NBA team of course.

[Gorgons]

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/employment_equi ... t-eng.aspx

Discrimination, reverse discrimination… blah blah blah… The bottom-line here folks is that this is a federally regulated company and they are following the laws of the land. With all the bitching, whining and moaning about companies that don’t follow the laws of the land you would think they might get props for doing exactly that.

News flash you can’t advertise that you will give preference to a white anglo pilot because they don’t meet the criteria published by the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

And to whoever said the Canadian indigenous weren’t a conquered people, go back and read your history. They were colonized, marginalized and targets of a government run effort to assimilate them out of existence. The only thing you got right was that the governments, past and present have never lived up to the promises made in the treaties they signed.

[robertsailor1]

Gorgons...I understand your point but in Canada the Indians did not go to war like they did in the USA and one of the reasons was the Government made them certain promises to avoid that which we all know they didn't keep. Yes the Government did do all the nice things to these people you point out but it was not war, at least the way we have come to recognize it. I realize that people today did not do anything to the Indians but when your forefathers in Government cut a deal we have to be responsible for it, no matter the time line. Most of the colonizing out west was by homesteading and the Government basically gave European families huge chunks of land to entice them to come out here. What if todays Government decided that they wanted that land back because after all it was originally a gift, if you can welch on the Indians then I guess you can welch on the white guys, right! Maybe todays families would really get pissed over something like that. No difference with the Indians, Canada has not lived up to the deals it cut and yes it is going to be costly but thats what can happen when you welch on deals, especially with a group that were treated worse than animals.

[Cat Driver]

Read about Soweto South Africa and how it has changed in the past twenty years.

Has Shamattawa Manitoba improved as much as Soweto has since apartheid was scrapped in South Africa?

Racial separation on what ever level is still racial discrimination.

[thirdtimecharm]

Read about Soweto South Africa and how it has changed in the past twenty years.

Has Shamattawa Manitoba improved as much as Soweto has since apartheid was scrapped in South Africa?

Racial separation on what ever level is still racial discrimination.

There is a big difference between ensuring the rights of a majority of people in South Africa are protected and a minority in Canada. Not saying that it is ideal, but scrapping the Indian Act or cancelling any land claim would have a very, very profound impact on people - especially in a country dominated politically by urban folks.

[Cat Driver]

So apartheid is not acceptable in South Africa, but it is acceptable in Canada?

[thirdtimecharm]

Its not acceptable anywhere, but what do you replace it with in Canada? People gave up a lot for the little protection that is in the Land Claims...

[robertsailor1]

Let me be clear about one thing, I think the Indian Act should be scraped its time that big daddy Government got to hell out of their lives and that as individuals or groups they get used to looking after themselves BUT honor the bloody deals that were cut.

[Never Mind]

When you throw a party you invite only the ones you want. It's your right. In a relationship you only date who you want. It's your choice. During a family reunion only those who are family, immediate and extended, get invited and everyone else is excluded. This is the host's prerogative.

In all three cases there is a form of exclusion but no one bats an eye. If a native owned company prefers to hire their own, as us non-native folks were told a few years ago, then it's their right. Their house - their rules. Still working for them.

Never Mind

[SuperchargedRS]

When you throw a party you invite only the ones you want. It's your right. In a relationship you only date who you want. It's your choice. During a family reunion only those who are family, immediate and extended, get invited and everyone else is excluded. This is the host's prerogative.

In all three cases there is a form of exclusion but no one bats an eye. If a native owned company prefers to hire their own, as us non-native folks were told a few years ago, then it's their right. Their house - their rules. Still working for them.

Never Mind

Ok NM, sounds like you have your head soooo far up your arse you probably cant tell up from down, so I'm going to paint you a little picture here.

Here we go... I'm going to start a bush company, I'm only going to hire white people, non of those Indians, blacks or anything else... infact I'm only going to allow white passengers... come to think about it that would make me less money...ah! I'm going to have a separator in the plane and put all the non whites in the back, BINGO that would work great!!

Like you said my house my rules right???? And of course you would have NO ISSUE at all if someone where to do what I outlined above right??!


Look buddy, racism is racism, shit happened in the past get over it and live your damn life, people holding on to the past in this manner is the reason places like the mid-east is so F'd up.

And your comparison between a birthday party not allowing strangers in and the whole dating comparison, your points are so far off base and invalid I almost posted a link to a psychiatrist help line for you. According to your analogy between dating and a how a company should operate, should I complain to industry if the chief pilot doesn't give me head in the morning or forgets my hiring anniversary!!

[thirdtimecharm]

Look buddy, racism is racism, shit happened in the past get over it and live your damn life, people holding on to the past in this manner is the reason places like the mid-east is so F'd up.

Who's suggesting holding on to the past? I think that the suggestion is to follow the laws of today?

I find it ironic in this forum that there is such a push for the Canadian Government to enforce rules against foreign pilots flying in Canada but such resentment against Canadian Government rules allowing for some native pilots to have a break.

If we followed the logic presented in this thread, should we not allow pilots from anywhere in the world to compete in Canada? Shouldn't the best pilot get the job- no matter if they are from California, Rankin Inlet, Toronto, Islamabad, London or Cape Town?

[SuperchargedRS]

....If we followed the logic presented in this thread, should we not allow pilots from anywhere in the world to compete in Canada? Shouldn't the best pilot get the job- no matter if they are from California, Rankin Inlet, Toronto, Islamabad, London or Cape Town?

It is true, Californians are superior pilots, one might say they are a superior race of pilot, gods of aviation, and I would agree

[thirdtimecharm]

....If we followed the logic presented in this thread, should we not allow pilots from anywhere in the world to compete in Canada? Shouldn't the best pilot get the job- no matter if they are from California, Rankin Inlet, Toronto, Islamabad, London or Cape Town?

It is true, Californians are superior pilots, one might say they are a superior race of pilot, gods of aviation, and I would agree

All those short strips and empty airspace

[ottopilot]

"disadvantaged"!!!!!!!! WTF

My eyes are welling up as I type.

1. most of your training paid for by the feds
2. Taxes not paid
3. knowing that if they get tired of flying planes there is a $60K goverment job waiting for them.

Lets call a spade a spade. It's racism! Racism exists everywhere, it just so happens that this time the white guy is on the recieving end.

I've hired and fired someone of every color, size and gender. If your most qualified for the job you get it, if you work hard you keep it...I only hope to work at companies that do this

John Prine once said " That's the way the world goes round" and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it.

P.S. I'm looking for partners in starting the chauvinistic white male channel. Oh wait we can't that would be racist and sexist...BET...WTN

[Les Habitants]

....If we followed the logic presented in this thread, should we not allow pilots from anywhere in the world to compete in Canada? Shouldn't the best pilot get the job- no matter if they are from California, Rankin Inlet, Toronto, Islamabad, London or Cape Town?

It is true, Californians are superior pilots, one might say they are a superior race of pilot, gods of aviation, and I would agree

I like you're thinking! too bad I can't get a extra points in a job application based on my California birth certificate.