1943-1944 TCA instrument approach procedures charts

learcapt · Post by **learcapt** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:32 pm

Hello. I have a booklet of Trans Canada Airlines approach plates from 1943-1945. They are in great shape but I have no use for them. Willing to sell for best offer. Thanks.

200hr Wonder · Post by **200hr Wonder** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:52 pm

Any chance of having them scanned? It would be cool to get a look at them.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:21 am

That WOULD be awesome (even if it's just a couple of approaches).

Skydrvr7 · Post by **Skydrvr7** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:54 am

Here are a couple to whet your appetites... from 1949.

: Calgary Airport ILS approach 1949 2.jpg (666.14 KiB) Viewed 3641 times

: Edmonton Airport Map 1949 2.jpg (930.82 KiB) Viewed 3641 times

Trematode · Post by **Trematode** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:25 am

Wow! CYXD back in '49! Sad how much it has been picked apart over the years.

Thanks for the post!

Skydrvr7 · Post by **Skydrvr7** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:29 am

I posted CYXD on purpose....most people have no idea how grand that airport had once been and how the city failed to protect it from encroachment. I still say it could be a great transportation asset given a city council that has something other than land developers $$$$ in their pockets.

Skydrvr7 · Post by **Skydrvr7** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:32 am

Here are a couple more for your viewing pleasure....I'll post some eastern Canada ones now.

: Toronto Airport Map 1950 2.jpg (848.86 KiB) Viewed 3602 times

: Gander Newfoundland Airport map 1950 2.jpg (847.45 KiB) Viewed 3602 times

fish4life · Post by **fish4life** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:47 am

they sure cared about making much more detailed airport maps as well

jet a1 · Post by **jet a1** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:45 pm

thanks for posting!

AEROBAT · Post by **AEROBAT** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:05 pm

Thanks for posting that!

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:59 pm

Thanks for posting, the downloads are great.
Parts of the old runways and taxiways in Calgary are still visible.
It was interesting to see so many of the navaids are still used. YC beacon is now YYC but the freq is still 344. The Y beacon became the LOM for the ILS 34 and the LOM for the ILS 16 became E with freq 254. Now the E beacon became SARCEE with freq 254. When I was in Lethbridge, the club found a bunch of old CAPs when the hangar was torn down and it would be interesting to see what ever happened to them.
Do any oldtimers remember what the yellow and blue notes on the charts meant and how many can describe the procedures for a "lost orientation on the radio range". Required for a Commercial ticket in the '40's and '50's.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:05 pm

Also forgot to mention. What is the meaning of the numbers 103(degrees), 193degrees, 013degrees and 287degrees?

Skydrvr7 · Post by **Skydrvr7** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:09 pm

I am glad you are enjoying the approach plates and charts....I will add some more to enjoy.

: Saskatoon Airport Map 1949 2.jpg (863.94 KiB) Viewed 3364 times

: Calgary Airport Map 1949 3.jpg (940.58 KiB) Viewed 3364 times

bverwegen · Post by **bverwegen** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:21 pm

Why is it that the runway approach lights are off-centered?

Skydrvr7 · Post by **Skydrvr7** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:28 pm

Good eye bverwegen!

I have no idea. Anyone want to take a crack at it??

Skydrvr7 · Post by **Skydrvr7** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:51 pm

Here is yet another to enjoy....this time the home of the Winnipeg Jets.

: Winnipeg Airport Map 1949 2.jpg (922.52 KiB) Viewed 3331 times

r22captain · Post by **r22captain** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:05 pm

Skydrvr7 wrote:Good eye bverwegen!

I have no idea. Anyone want to take a crack at it??

vis out the captains side window? seeing as how they are all aligned to the left?

Skydrvr7 · Post by **Skydrvr7** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:18 pm

That would seem to be as good an idea as any to me...there are some instrument approaches where you come at the runway on an angle from the navaid also...maybe another contributing factor?

Xander · Post by **Xander** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:53 pm

This topic is so damn cool!

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:49 pm

Can anybody explain why Gander had such wide runways? That's a lot of pavement.

into the blue · Post by **into the blue** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:59 pm

costermonger wrote:Can anybody explain why Gander had such wide runways? That's a lot of pavement.

Formation takeoffs? During WWII, the airport was called RCAF Station Gander and was home to several fighter squadrons.

into the blue · Post by **into the blue** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:08 pm

Anyway, I'll throw in a contribution of my own: a portion of a 1951 US Airforce Bellingham chart. It covers pretty much the same area as the South side of the modern-day Vancouver VNC. Unfortunately, the chart is rather large, so I'll start with the piece showing Victoria, Georgia Strait and Fraser Valley.

PS: Has anyone here ever used an actual four-course radio range? .?

Chuck Ellsworth · Post by **Chuck Ellsworth** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:16 pm

Yes, when I first started my instrument training in a Stinson Station Wagon with a manual ADF antenna at Malton Airport in 1957 the radio range was still used for navigation and IFR approaches.

And on my frirst IFR test ride we had to be able to read morse code before we could even start the engine / 's.

I'm sort of getting old aren't I?

iflyforpie · Post by **iflyforpie** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:26 pm

This is awesome!

I used to have an old RCAF ILS indicator that had the blue and yellow on it, plus the tritium glowing needles and markings.

Pretty cool seeing how things looked back then, though YXD itself to me looks like it had hardly changed at all. It saddens me since many of us had its identifier in our licenses (XDM, XDC, XDP, etc) but it will soon be history.

Speakng of history, you can see the old Victory Aircraft/Avro Canada/Hawker Siddley hangars at Malton marked 615' and 620' north of the field. I guess they were only knocked down a few years ago.

into the blue · Post by **into the blue** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:30 pm

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