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Do you feel the same connection to my family?
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Are you asking me that? If so, although I dont know your family, Im gonna say probably not.niss wrote:Do you feel the same connection to my family?
But I think you do know what Im saying, since although you were born educated and raised in Ontario, you obviously consider yourself israeli as well and feel a certain kinship with other Jews/Israelis and Israel regardless if they are removed from your homeland by one generation.
I dont think you would feel that being "appropriately described" as Ontarion tells the complete story now does it?
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So you actually know the Jobs family, well that changes everything then. So if Niss's family is from the corner of Israel that borders Syria and Lebanon, then why would it be any different, you are from the same place!azimuthaviation wrote:Are you asking me that? If so, although I dont know your family, Im gonna say probably not.niss wrote:Do you feel the same connection to my family?
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Different tribes. Me and Niss's people are inlaws through Jethro tho.
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Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?
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This has always been a strange phenomenon which manifests itself in some. I am but a single generation from both my English and Swedish relations, but I find myself "appropriately described as an Albertan, and in general more appropriately decribed as a Canadian. I do have some friends who also describe themselves, despite being born elsewhere, also as Canadian. They feel no need to hyphenate themselves. Most notably my one friend from Argentina most emphatically states that they are not a hyphenated Canadian, in their mind they moved here for a reason (in their case to get away from the troubles there).I dont think you would feel that being "appropriately described" as Ontarion tells the complete story now does it?
On the other hand, I know some who are emphatically hyphenated. One swedish-Canadian I know is always to the point about it. Personally I usually can't stand these people, usually because they love to make a point of telling one how shitty it is here and how wonderful it is where they come from.
This is one of those reasons why we're not conquering the galaxy and have hovercars and cured cancer. There's too many people tied up on this planet worrying about this shit.
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Ya sorry thats a lot of BS to summarize. Your nationality doesnt change based on where your feet are. Are the Turkish citizens in Germany German? Are the Arab citizens of France no longer Arab? All the Moroccans in the Netherlands are they Dutch? All it takes is one generation of separation from ones homeland to lose your nationality and ethnicity?
Its ludicrous to say that I and Steve Jobs are from the same place is it? I have second tier relatives (cousins uncles etc) who were born and are citizens of countries as far apart as Canada, Lebanon, Colombia, Venezuela. We dont share a common heritage?
How does this relate to the Jewish diaspora? 80 generations separated and spread across the globe they all claim to be of one nation, regardless of centuries of citizenship in various nations across the globe. Does their Jewish identity not take precedence over their current nationality? Can you tell all the Jews of the world, especially those who emigrated to Palestine that they are "appropriately described" as either German or Polish or Russian? Try saying that and keeping any public position in the western world.
But Steve Jobs loses his Arab DNA in a different set or rules?
Its ludicrous to say that I and Steve Jobs are from the same place is it? I have second tier relatives (cousins uncles etc) who were born and are citizens of countries as far apart as Canada, Lebanon, Colombia, Venezuela. We dont share a common heritage?
How does this relate to the Jewish diaspora? 80 generations separated and spread across the globe they all claim to be of one nation, regardless of centuries of citizenship in various nations across the globe. Does their Jewish identity not take precedence over their current nationality? Can you tell all the Jews of the world, especially those who emigrated to Palestine that they are "appropriately described" as either German or Polish or Russian? Try saying that and keeping any public position in the western world.
But Steve Jobs loses his Arab DNA in a different set or rules?
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Steve Jobs and Hitler are cousins, because his mom was part German.
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It should in your mind if you wish to call it your new home. Otherwise there's a different term for you: a visitor.Ya sorry thats a lot of BS to summarize. Your nationality doesnt change based on where your feet are.
Well here is where you bring up an interesting point. Your nationality definitely you change. If you are planning on calling somewhere "home" that should be your nationality. Your ethnicity is a different trait and significantly more confusing. It really depends on which is more important to you. Don't Turks who live in Germany want to be Germans?Are the Turkish citizens in Germany German? Are the Arab citizens of France no longer Arab? All the Moroccans in the Netherlands are they Dutch? All it takes is one generation of separation from ones homeland to lose your nationality and ethnicity?
edit: Going on that Azimuth considers himself to be a hyphenated Canadian, one must ask the question which side of the hyphen is more important to your identity? Where do you call home?
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You see a lot of that around here, especially with the large German population (Seriously what is it with ze Germans?). Blah blah blah 'Canadians should to this and they should do that' and 'back in Germany....'. Really? If Canada is so bad, don't let the door hit you on the way out.Shiny Side Up wrote:....one must ask the question which side of the hyphen is more important to your identity? Where do you call home?
One can only hope that the more the world mixes and fuses, the less of this BS there is....
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I guess the other part of this is well is that Steve didn't "lose" his DNA, but chose not to make it an important aspect of his life. We know about and people celebrate his life not because of what he was, but because of what he did. If anything he exibited what is best about America (and unfortunately its rarity in today's world society) what hard work and good ideas put into action can do to change the world.But Steve Jobs loses his Arab DNA in a different set or rules?
And here you can probably say is really what's wrong with the world. Too many people consumed by where they come from than where they are. Worried about genetic identities rather than ones they create. For every Steve Jobs that frees themselves from that chain, there are thousands, if not millions, who don't.How does this relate to the Jewish diaspora? 80 generations separated and spread across the globe they all claim to be of one nation, regardless of centuries of citizenship in various nations across the globe. Does their Jewish identity not take precedence over their current nationality? Can you tell all the Jews of the world, especially those who emigrated to Palestine that they are "appropriately described" as either German or Polish or Russian? Try saying that and keeping any public position in the western world.
Here its the British one. I swear if someone tells me again how wonderful traffic circles are I'm going to barf.You see a lot of that around here, especially with the large German population
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There are some around here, and once you get used to them, they are WAY better than a four-way stop or traffic lights - you spend a lot less time waiting.if someone tells me again how wonderful traffic circles are ...
What freaked me out was the traffic circles in the Bahamas, driving on the left side of the road from the right seat.
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Traffic circles are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Try it in Wales. It's baaaaaaddd.What freaked me out was the traffic circles in the Bahamas...
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Oh by all means, especially if everyone knows how it works. All it takes is one idiot to bung the entire thing up. Also, they work great if everyone is driving this:There are some around here, and once you get used to them, they are WAY better than a four-way stop or traffic lights - you spend a lot less time waiting.

Not so great if a few people are driving this:

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Of course it would be up to the Limeys to take roundabouting way too seriously.

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Of course it would be up to the Limeys to take roundabouting way too seriously.

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How the hell would a snowplough driver clear that intersection?



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In circles of course.istp wrote:How the hell would a snowplough driver clear that intersection?![]()
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NASCAR style.istp wrote:How the hell would a snowplough driver clear that intersection?![]()
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With the exception of the occasional freak snowstorm, not a hell of a lot of snowfall in England, let alone the Essex area.istp wrote:How the hell would a snowplough driver clear that intersection?![]()

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I am really, really glad I never had to work for Steve Jobs.Apple co-founder Steve Jobs could be mean, abrasive and cuttingly dismissive of co-workers in his quest for perfectionism, according to his biographer.
"He’s not warm and fuzzy," Walter Isaacson, the author of "Steve Jobs," which hits bookstores on Monday, said in an interview with the CBS show "60 Minutes."
"He was very petulant," Isaacson said of Jobs, who died on October 5 at the age of 56. "He was very brittle. He could be very, very mean to people at times.
"Whether it was to a waitress in a restaurant, or to a guy who had stayed up all night coding, he could just really just go at them and say, ‘You’re doin’ this all wrong. It’s horrible.’
"And you’d say, ‘Why did you do that? Why weren’t you nicer?’ And he’d say ‘I really want to be with people who demand perfection. And this is who I am.’
"You know, he was a pretty abrasive and in some ways, you know, cantankerous character," Isaacson said.
Job’s quest for perfection came in part from his adopted father, Paul Jobs, who taught him "how to make great things," his biographer said.
"Once they were building a fence. And he said, ‘You got to make the back of the fence that nobody will see just as good looking as the front of the fence,’" he said. "That will show that you’re dedicated to making something perfect.’"
Isaacson said Jobs may have come up with the Macintosh computer, the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad during his brilliant career but he "was not the world’s greatest manager.
"In fact, he could have been one of the world’s worst managers," he said. "He was always, you know, upending things.
"And, you know, throwing things into turmoil. This made great products, but it didn’t make for a great management style."
Isaacson said Jobs, despite being worth billions of dollars, lived in a modest house in Palo Alto and was determined not to let money change him.
In a taped interview for the book, Jobs told Isaacson a lot of people had changed at Apple after becoming wealthy.
"A few people went out and bought Rolls-Royces and they bought homes, and their wives got plastic surgery," Jobs said.
"I saw these people who were really nice, simple people turn into these bizarro people," he said. "And I made a promise to myself. I said: ‘I’m not going to let this money ruin my life.’"
Isaacson said that after Jobs became ill with pancreatic cancer in 2003, he "no longer wanted to go out, no longer wanted to travel the world.
"He would focus on the products," he said. "He knew the couple of things he wanted to do which was the iPhone and then the iPad.
"He had a few other visions," he said. "I think he would’ve loved to have conquered television. He would love to make an easy-to-use television set.
"So he had those things. But he started focusing on his family again as well," Isaacson said. "And it was a painful brutal struggle."