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Rockie wrote:
Canuck223 wrote:However, I can't help but note that if these people put the same amount of effort and fervour into working, they might find thier list of grievances was considerably shorter.
What makes you think they don't put the same amount of effort and fervour into working?
Fourty+ years of observation, leading to one general conclusion.

People who focus thier energy on achieving success, become successful.
People who focus thier energy on dissecting the reasons for thier failure, remain failures when they don't apply the lessons learned.
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That still doesn't answer Rockie's question, though....
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Canuck223 wrote: Fourty+ years of observation, leading to one general conclusion.

People who focus thier energy on achieving success, become successful.
People who focus thier energy on dissecting the reasons for thier failure, remain failures when they don't apply the lessons learned.

In 40+ years of observation, this is the best you can come up with? Profound, truly, truly, profound... or not.

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A little more video and commentary from a broadcasting friend of mine, Charles Adler.

Depending on your age, you may have not heard the term useful idiots ..... although not fully definitive, here's a quick reference ... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... ul%20idiot

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/feat ... 9048356001

Enjoy!
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The Old Fogducker wrote:A little more video and commentary from a broadcasting friend of mine, Charles Adler.

Depending on your age, you may have not heard the term useful idiots ..... although not fully definitive, here's a quick reference ... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... ul%20idiot

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/feat ... 9048356001

Enjoy!

Wow, a link to the Sun news network - the comedy branch of the Conservative party. Charles Adler - that's the same dude who is busy defending Don Cherry after his outrageous outburst last week.
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Great video links OFD, keep them coming.

I plan on going to the range to site in my rifle, get a haircut, do laundry etc...

You know, the kind of things I couldn't do during the week because I was working.
Otherwise I'd head downtown and see what the fuss is all about.



Adler asked it, What is the point to these protests?
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The point is "Why have no bankers from Wall Street gone to jail as a result of the massive fraud perpetuated on the American public circa 2008". That's the point.
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Who would put them in jail?
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Nark wrote:Adler asked it, What is the point to these protests?
I know you read newspapers Nark. They are literally filled with articles on this topic these days. Try actually reading some of them before asking questions like that.

Once you've read up and know what the point to these protests is feel free to disagree with them specifically. But claiming ignorance of the issues when so much is being written by very articulate people just means you're not interested in knowing. Just like Adler.
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I must admit,

I'm finally at the point with this site where I can honestly say the ridiculousness of many/most of the posts from the usual suspects here in the WC (More aptly named the Water Closet perhaps?) actually make me laugh instead of dispair. It truly is amusing to see the trolls at work... While I do find them mostly amusing, I still haven't been able to make myself believe most of you are actually serious with this crap.

Have fun, off to another dirt bike race this weekend where even the rednecks know "@#$* is seriously $%&#*'d up these days," to quote a KTM dealer from last weekend.

Ta ta.

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Mark Carney gets it.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le2202064/


Bank of Canada head calls Occupy protests 'entirely constructive'

The Occupy Wall Street demonstrations and other expressions of frustration with the global economic and financial system highlight the need for policy makers to show they are serious about forcing change, Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney says.

In a television interview, Mr. Carney acknowledged that the movement is an understandable product of the ``increase in inequality’’ – particularly in the United States – that started with globalization and was thrust into sharp relief by the worst downturn since the Great Depression, which hit the less well-educated and blue-collar segments of the population hardest.


"You’ve had a big increase in the ratio of CEO earnings to workers on the shop floor,’’ Mr. Carney said, according to a transcript of the interview with Peter Mansbridge of CBC News, parts of which aired on Friday evening. "And then on top of that, a financial crisis.’’

But Mr. Carney – a former Goldman Sachs Co. investment banker – suggested that while he understands the frustration, some of it is rooted in an overly pessimistic view of policy makers’ resolve to make it harder for financial firms to take the sort of risks that led to the meltdown of 2008 and the brutal recession that followed.

“There’s a frustration with policy and a frustration that, `are things going back to business as usual,’’’ Mr. Carney said in the interview. ``If I may say, that is not going to happen, but I can understand the frustrations.’’

Demonstrations like the Occupy Wall Street protests, which will hit Canadian cities this weekend, are a “democratic expression of views’’ and “entirely constructive,’’ Mr. Carney said.

“It makes it more tangible, the challenges that that economy is facing, and it makes it more important to demonstrate success on issues such as financial reform,’’ he said.

The words that Mr. Carney applies to the civil disruption carry extra weight because the Harper government is pushing for him to become the next chairman of the Financial Stability Board (FSB), a group charged with co-ordinating the overhaul of international banking regulations. There is widespread fear that, the more time that passes, the tougher it will be to muster political enthusiasm for reforms, against which the financial industry is lobbying furiously.

Mr. Carney has been a fierce critic of the industry backlash and has vowed to counter it.

Asked whether he would accept the part-time job if it were offered, Mr. Carney said yes, although it would be on top of his main role at the Bank of Canada. The new chairman will be named early next month at the Group of 20 leaders’ summit in France.

Mr. Carney – currently in Paris with Finance Minister Jim Flaherty and other G20 policy makers working on the latest reform proposals – expressed confidence in the outcome of the push to make banks hold more capital in reserve and to find ways to allow big banks to fail if they get themselves into trouble instead of showering them with taxpayer-funded bailouts.

"We can start to show real tangible progress on issues like that,’’ he said. “From my part of the world, what we can do is those reforms that are going to change the game for Wall Street, for Bay Street, for the way that the financial system functions to make it like any other business.’’

Earlier Friday, the Occupy Wall Street movement got a boost when the owners of a private park in lower Manhattan where protesters have camped out for a month postponed a planned clean-up.

Demonstrators were scrambling to clean the park themselves, fearing that the official effort was an excuse to kick them out. Union members and other supporters of the protesters had started pouring into the plaza near the heart of the U.S. financial industry in the early morning to show their solidarity.

The movement has spread to at least 70 U.S. cities and will reach at least 15 Canadian cities this weekend. Still, whether it will turn out to be North America’s Tahrir Square or just an exercise remains to be seen. Leaderless and without a clear set of demands, the occupiers are a loosely based coalition of activists and ordinary citizens with a rough goal of addressing growing inequality between rich and the poor. (One of the movement’s most popular messages is that one per cent of the U.S. population holds 40 per cent of the wealth.)

Joseph Heath, author of The Rebel Sell, a critique of modern counter-culture, warned both the Canadian and U.S. movements are likely to fail.

“To sustain this kind of movement, you have to have a feeling there’s a capacity to change things,” he said. “A bunch of protestors are not going to stop banks from being greedy.”

The protesters can take some solace knowing that Mr. Carney – whose reform-minded stand has already put him at odds with powerful titans of the banking world like Jamie Dimon, chief executive officer of JPMorgan Chase & Co. – hopes to do just that.
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This is why I have no respect for these type of protests.

http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html? ... roteus.fma
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Some people will seek to hijack the movement - some people just like mayhem, and some people are likely trying to discredit the movement (remember the agent provocateurs in Quebec a while back?).

Fortunately 99.9% of the 99% are non-violent, and their message deserves to be heard.

Have you allowed yourself to hear the actual message yet? It's in your own best interest, as you are likely part of the 99% just like the rest of us.
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Nark wrote:This is why I have no respect for these type of protests.

http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html? ... roteus.fma
You still don't know why they're demonstrating in the first place do you?
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What we call "democracy" isn't working for an awful lot of people, and if that doesn't worry you, well, I hope you enjoy your first class inaugural trip of the unsinkable Titanic across the North Atlantic.

What was the voter turnout in the latest Ontario election, again?
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Rockie wrote:
The Old Fogducker wrote:"The 99%" are 99% stunned and if they were wildlife, would end up as first season roadkill.
Which group do you belong to? The 99 or the 1?
Maybe D-Fer is leading the 1% counter-protest. If you see a 60 year old reeking of stale bourbon and raving on a street corner how good the world was in 1963, thats our man.

Edit F-Der i meant
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Nark wrote:This is why I have no respect for these type of protests.

http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html? ... roteus.fma

In Iran they turn over buses and light government buildings on fire and female(ish) Clinton calls them peaceful protesters
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azimuthaviation wrote:
Nark wrote:This is why I have no respect for these type of protests.

http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html? ... roteus.fma

In Iran they turn over buses and light government buildings on fire and female(ish) Clinton calls them peaceful protesters
For the most part they are. It's not until Iranian troops start shooting them to death that the protesters feel they need some metal between them and the army. I'm sure the Iranian government appreciates your support though.

The occupy protest has been going on peacefully in New York for weeks now. In Canada and elsewhere yesterday they were peaceful as well with one notable exception. Does that one exception make the issue invalid? Does it justify not thinking about it?
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Rockie wrote: I'm sure the Iranian government appreciates your support though.
As Im sure Hillary appreciates yours
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I notice STL wants his readers to believe that those of us who find the protestors by and large confused and unserious are being “repressive.” By finding such people ridiculous, because they are, we are indulging in “state domination.” Presumably, only evil people would find the videos above amusing.
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Nothing will happen. I remember the quote from Wall Street. You are either inside or outside. If you want to make change you need people on the inside.
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Well as I predicted, the Communist Party are supporters of the "Occupy ... Blah, Blah Blah" movement.

And ... here's a hot off the presses news flash ..... the American Nazi Party also have thrown their highly credible weight behind the like-minded street protestors .... yes, folks you heard right .... the Nazi Party.

I hate Nazis .... especially Illinois Nazis .... yes Rockie, you've finally coaxed me into saying the word .... the H word .... hate ... I'm a bubbling, seething, steaming cauldron of hatred when it comes to Nazis and all they stood for, all they "accomplished," and all they continue to advocate Rockie .... I know that will run counter to your core beliefs. I'm sure you think that hating Nazis and what they stand for is wrong-headed and a sign of gross intolerance. I'm also certain that in your PC world, hating Nazis is a very, very bad thing to do .... after all, they are God's creatures too aren't they? ...Oh Rockie, sorry to have mentioned the concept of God, I'd forgotten that by far most so-called self identified "Progressives" don't believe in such an outmoded concept as (heaven forbid) .... God, and the term is to be used only as a punch line for a joke on the Bill Maher Show.

Here's what the Nazi Party says ...

The American Nazi Party likes what it sees.
Today the American Nazi Party released a statement in support of Occupy Wall Street movement.

The foremost authority on National Socialism in America has this to say about “Occupy” [ANP leader Rocky Suhayda -ed.] :

What is really MISSING – is the “MOVEMENT” from these popular protests – its time to pull WN heads out of their collective ass’s, and JOIN IN the attack on Judeo-Capitalism. What do you suggest? That WN Working Class White people DEFEND the Judeo-Capitalists? IF the “movement” wasn’t so PATHETIC it would be OUT THERE – LEADING these protests! The fact that its these “lefties” as you call them, who are picking up the ball and running with it – only shows how much more in tune THEY are with the fed up masses of White Workers, than the fossilized, reactionary “right-wing”. WHO holds the WEALTH and POWER in this country – the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO is therefore the #1 ENEMY who makes all this filth happen – the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO therefore do WN need to FIGHT? My heart is right there with these people, perhaps someday the “movement” will SHOW the same COURAGE and DEDICATION that these people OUT THERE FIGHTING are SHOWING!

Sincerely, ROCKY SUHAYDA Hail Victory! 88!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10 ... -movement/

Curious about Illinois Nazis? Have a look at this excerpt from "The Blues Brothers" and check out John Belushi's comment at 1:30 ... http://youtu.be/ZTT1qUswYL0

Warm regards, hugs, and slobbering kisses to all .... from a man who hates no-one ... (except Illinois Nazis that is.)

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