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The Old Fogducker wrote:I hate Nazis .... especially Illinois Nazis ....
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The Old Fogducker wrote:Well as I predicted, the Communist Party are supporters of the "Occupy ... Blah, Blah Blah" movement.

And ... here's a hot off the presses news flash ..... the American Nazi Party also have thrown their highly credible weight behind the like-minded street protestors .... yes, folks you heard right .... the Nazi Party.

I hate Nazis .... especially Illinois Nazis .... yes Rockie, you've finally coaxed me into saying the word .... the H word .... hate ... I'm a bubbling, seething, steaming cauldron of hatred when it comes to Nazis and all they stood for, all they "accomplished," and all they continue to advocate Rockie .... I know that will run counter to your core beliefs. I'm sure you think that hating Nazis and what they stand for is wrong-headed and a sign of gross intolerance. I'm also certain that in your PC world, hating Nazis is a very, very bad thing to do .... after all, they are God's creatures too aren't they? ...Oh Rockie, sorry to have mentioned the concept of God, I'd forgotten that by far most so-called self identified "Progressives" don't believe in such an outmoded concept as (heaven forbid) .... God, and the term is to be used only as a punch line for a joke on the Bill Maher Show.

Here's what the Nazi Party says ...

The American Nazi Party likes what it sees.
Today the American Nazi Party released a statement in support of Occupy Wall Street movement.

The foremost authority on National Socialism in America has this to say about “Occupy” [ANP leader Rocky Suhayda -ed.] :

What is really MISSING – is the “MOVEMENT” from these popular protests – its time to pull WN heads out of their collective ass’s, and JOIN IN the attack on Judeo-Capitalism. What do you suggest? That WN Working Class White people DEFEND the Judeo-Capitalists? IF the “movement” wasn’t so PATHETIC it would be OUT THERE – LEADING these protests! The fact that its these “lefties” as you call them, who are picking up the ball and running with it – only shows how much more in tune THEY are with the fed up masses of White Workers, than the fossilized, reactionary “right-wing”. WHO holds the WEALTH and POWER in this country – the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO is therefore the #1 ENEMY who makes all this filth happen – the JUDEO-CAPITALISTS. WHO therefore do WN need to FIGHT? My heart is right there with these people, perhaps someday the “movement” will SHOW the same COURAGE and DEDICATION that these people OUT THERE FIGHTING are SHOWING!

Sincerely, ROCKY SUHAYDA Hail Victory! 88!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10 ... -movement/

Curious about Illinois Nazis? Have a look at this excerpt from "The Blues Brothers" and check out John Belushi's comment at 1:30 ... http://youtu.be/ZTT1qUswYL0

Warm regards, hugs, and slobbering kisses to all .... from a man who hates no-one ... (except Illinois Nazis that is.)

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No comment Rockie?
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Nope.

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bmc wrote:.....ever since, I've been the champ.
Well... I.... Loooooooose it!

I head fake him with a copy of the wall street journal, he goes for it...
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JakeYYZ wrote:I notice STL wants his readers to believe that those of us who find the protestors by and large confused and unserious are being “repressive.” By finding such people ridiculous, because they are, we are indulging in “state domination.” Presumably, only evil people would find the videos above amusing.
It’s getting chilly in here. Throw another kitten on the fire. No, the lame one.

No Jake, Stl just has to laugh at the utter stupidity posted here on a very regular basis. Stl would LOVE to see a discussion that for once does not follow the lines of division between the so-called "Left" and "Right." Stl would like to see people forgo the brain washing and actually think for themselves and realize that perhaps this entire "Right v Left" structure is divisive, counter productive, ass backwards, and sets us all up for abuse from many directions. The usual suspects will post their Fox News junk, OFD will stir the pot, the "Lefties" will bite and put up their Huffington Post articles and we'll carry on as usual.

It would be nice if just once people on this site would shed the garbage associated with main-stream politics and start talking about a society that includes the mechanisms to look after itself and its citizens, be productive, be progressive, and be fair and just. It would be nice to read something from some of the obviously intelligent people here that makes me think, or even feel like contributing something other than glib comments, but the landslide of junk is generally just not worth sifting through and I must say I'm completely sick of this short-sighted politically moulded, narrow back and forth that is not only predictable, but sad in that it does nothing to move us forward.

This is a very unjust world, and regardless of where you like to align yourself that should be target #1. If folks can't, or won't see that, well, I'm really not interested in trying to have a discussion.

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STL...that's the best post I have read in a very long time.

I know it's possible to have discussions with opposing points. I participate in another non-aviation forum where it works ok. The differences between there and here are mainly two fold.

1. Behaviour rules are strongly enforced. Posters are given demerit points. Once the limit is reached, out ya go.

2. Threads get locked when they get nasty, personal and the insults fly.

While it does carry a certain charm to hurl insults and watch the punches fly, I post less and less here because I have to weigh up if it's worth it. And more times than not, it isn't.

Moderate the posts. Blow the whistle and call off side. It really is that simple. It'll keep the discussions in check and reduce the temperature.
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can anyone explain the consequences of letting a "too big to fail" go down with billions of dollars of peoples pensions? alot of federal/state/what have you/ pensions were tied up in those banks.
if my rrsp's were invested with Lehaman Bros i'd be begging to bail them out. but as an outsider to the crisis, i'd say let them fail. I really don't think it's black and white.
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Gotta love the freedom to protest without being shot. Maybe OFD should remember this isn't Syria.
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So if a bank fails, do you still have to pay your mortgage?
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Of couse you do, to suggest otherwise means you hate capitolism, and by extension you hate freedom and Canada and you are a member of al queda.
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Well said Niss ... well said. Good to see you taking up the flag of "The Nation of Common Sense and Logic" and waving it here on AvCanada.

Here's today's video update on the success and values of the "Occupy Whatever" movement .... supposedly representing "The 99%" that have capitalists under seige in their castles, hiding from the revolutionary hordes trying to use a battering ram on the drawbridge door. ... yeah sure. Pour the boiling oil from the parapets I say.

Charles Adler could be reading a script that I had written .... Lord knows, . and I have had these type of discussions before.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/feat ... 3435745001

Michael Coren also has a good take on things too ...

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/feat ... 3388467001
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to answer coyote's question. if the bank failed, could not use chap 11 restructure, and no one purchased said bank whilst on its knees and gov didnt bail it out....maybe?
if true then let all the banks fail!
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It's hard to argue with Sun News Network.

This breaking news story could turn things around for the Occupy Wall Street Nutbars:

http://www.theonion.com/video/gop-race- ... eal,26406/
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Those of you who believe in the goodness of large corporation, and the evils of worker's unions, might want to read this book:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/books/rev ... 50795990/1


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Icebound wrote:...

Those of you who believe in the goodness of large corporation, and the evils of worker's unions, might want to read this book:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/books/rev ... 50795990/1


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You don't have to go out of Canada to see stuff like that. My brother worked for Nortel for many years. He has been on long term disability due to neurological problems. He's 55 and has NO PENSION. It's gone. (I can almost hear the jack boots saying it's his fault.) He has no disability from Nortel. It's gone.
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My late mother was able to briefly collect a pension from Eaton’s. As was the case with Nortel, the problem was an under-funded defined benefit pension program that went BOOM. Nortel was unionized nose-to-tail..Eaton’s had an employee association. So, the employees had representatives on the pension committees. These rep’s were also paid a premium for their attendance. As far as I am aware, none made a sound until the plans were at the point of no return. Same could be said for the pension committees at Big Red. Yup, all the blame can be put at the feet of EVIL management.
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Here's a great one .... what a series of belly laughs ....interviews with 17 different members of "Occupy Toronto."

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1225187712001
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If you want to trade images Foggy, I could put up pictures of obscenely compensated senior executives being led away in handcuffs, and many more who should be. Best and the brightest? I don't think so.

Do you know why people are pissed off and protesting?
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Link it. I want to see them.
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Pay no attention to the source. The pictures are what you're looking for I believe.

http://www.paulkienitz.net/enron/enron-47.html

http://caldwellguardian.blogspot.com/20 ... -face.html

http://cnettv.cnet.com/top-enron-exec-a ... 08559.html

http://www.mindfully.org/Industry/2005/ ... 2aug05.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/13/busin ... ardlmadoff

http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/03/9121 ... ot-testify



I'm sure there are more but you can look as well as I can. Also there should be LOTS more if there were any justice in the world.
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He's 55 and has NO PENSION.
A pension is an investment. Investments go up *and* down. Even secure investments. Mismanagement, or fraud, can wipe them out. Even cash in a bank: small banks can go under, and used to, with regularity.

Your brother's situation sucks. It's no consolation to him, but anyone who told him his pension was in anyway guaranteed was lying. I'm sorry if he didn't realise that, but even if he didn't, it is still true.

Why is that so hard to get?
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photofly wrote:
He's 55 and has NO PENSION.
A pension is an investment. Investments go up *and* down. Even secure investments. Mismanagement, or fraud, can wipe them out. Even cash in a bank: small banks can go under, and used to, with regularity.

Your brother's situation sucks. It's no consolation to him, but anyone who told him his pension was in anyway guaranteed was lying. I'm sorry if he didn't realise that, but even if he didn't, it is still true.

Why is that so hard to get?
Nortel's problems started with a CEO who took money away from R&D to make the bottom line look better. They ended up paying him hundreds of millions of dollars to get rid of him and he miraculously moved on to become CEO of another company. Best and brightest?

What followed were years of executive incompetence and fraud as they misrepresented the company financials while getting paid obscene amounts of money until the whole charade crashed down. Are you implying the employees are somehow at fault for their own misfortune?
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Your brother's situation sucks. It's no consolation to him, but anyone who told him his pension was in anyway guaranteed was lying. I'm sorry if he didn't realise that, but even if he didn't, it is still true.

Why is that so hard to get?
One of the big problems and why the people are getting pissed off is how many people are lying to them about their pension funds. How many out here would put money into one if they really knew the truth about them? The worst part in many cases is that employees are virtually forced into investing in them, they are not given options otherwise. The CPP for instance is a fool's dream. I don't expect when I need it I'll be able to collect on it - its a crappy plan they have currently, which is based upon mostly taxing the youth to give to the old - no one ever thought that the population of Canada would be shifting towards to top end when they made it. That doesn't change the fact that I've unfortunately put a large wad of cash off of my paycheck into it during my working lifetime, nor did I have a choice in the matter.
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Are you implying the employees are somehow at fault for their own misfortune?
No.

But we have to get past this idea that "if I do nothing wrong, I'm guaranteed to be ok." It doesn't apply to health, happiness OR money. Life sh*ts on good people sometimes. Society makes it a lot better than it used to be, particularly for health, and to some extent money. But only to a limited extent.

LIfe just isn't fair, good people suffer. Get used to it.
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