Golden Handshake gone bad.

This forum has been developed to discuss aviation related topics.

Moderators: sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, lilfssister, North Shore, I WAS Birddog

User avatar
gelbisch
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1095
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:49 am
Location: Guelph, ON

Post by gelbisch »

centerstored wrote:The reason PAG has never paid new hires for the ground school is because they put through 10-20 and hire from a pool. Some guys do a Ground School get on the next day, some don't ever see the tube, and some wait months before a position is available. See, unlike other companies at this level, PAG brings in an experienced GS instructor, who from what I understand puts on a damn good GS. I think any company would be pretty stupid to pay potential employees for a GS given the circumstances.
This has got to be one of the most inane excuses for a questionable practice that I've ever heard. What does the competence of a the groundschool instructor have to do with whether or not someone sitting in his class should get the job? (Psst, by the way... other companies do, in fact, have excellent instructors with actual experience, too.) Whatever happened to interviewing a guy, hiring him on merit of his experience and personality, and then putting him in groundschool? Is there something wrong with that? Do you suppose, perhaps, that Perimeter does things the way they do just because they can, seeing as how we work in an over-saturated industry in which guys, particularly inexperienced ones but even those with a bazillion hours, will often give their left arm for a job?
centerstored wrote:I don't think Bearskin guys are making quite that much. With all the downsizing they're lucky to be employed.
Sorry, you're obviously the expert on Bearskin, so I take back anything I said. I only worked there five years... couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about.
Yeah...ok GELBitch. :lol:
And who am I to argue with someone who has such a sharp wit. Name-calling obviously makes you right, so I'll quit while I'm ahead.

Try using your big-boy words instead of spouting non-sensical rhetoric.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
CLguy
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1602
Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:54 pm
Location: Reality!

Post by CLguy »

Mooseport says:
Perimeter guys that think they are so perfect don't even know what engine is no 1 and no 2. They have to use there hands and call it left and right! That makes me laugh! ha ha!


Cat I couldn't agree more with you. I have been flying twins for 25 years and have yet to refer to an engine as no. 1 or no. 2. It has always been left or right and will be as long as I fly them. We've managed to stay alive this long by doing it wrong according to Mooseport and am not about to change now.

I guess this must be a new age thing!
---------- ADS -----------
 
You Can Love An Airplane All You Want, But Remember, It Will Never Love You Back!
capt.k
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 18
Joined: Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:59 pm

Post by capt.k »

I am always surprised at some of the ignorant and uninformed comments on here. Chi Chi, for someone who works at Perimeter I cannot believe how many of your facts are screwed up. You should really get your story straight. maybe if your company was so interested in keeping these people they would have may a job offer and starting paying them for their training rather then taking advantage of them.I am sure Perimeter is not hiring them out of the goodness in their hearts.

After reading your comments, i do not blame this guy for leaving. I would not want to be around a bunch of back stabbing people who would slam someone without knowing the facts.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Redwine
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 203
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:20 pm
Location: FLINE@9

Post by Redwine »

Exactly.
Personal attacks like that without signing your name shows lack of your own integrity and self respect. Very disappointing and unprofessional indeed.
You are a true ambassador to your company.
I'm sure you all have made choices in life that other people did not agree upon. Does that entitle the other party to plaster it all over a public forum? Think about it for a moment...
Have a great day!
---------- ADS -----------
 
...Seems they are going to remove the axe and the control column from the cockpits for security reasons.
centerstored
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 237
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:16 pm

Post by centerstored »

Well, after a few days of bickering, some of you have made some good arguements. I personally don't really give a crap since my company pays you after you're hired. That being said, I can see why PAG doesn't. PAG has always payed guys from the date of their successful PPC. Saying that they don't pay for training and GS is untrue...recurrents are obviously paid. Nobody forces these guys to go to the ground school, if you don't believe in their policies...there's the door!? :idea: I don't see how an operation like PAG could operate efficiently any other way?
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
greenwich
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 455
Joined: Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:17 pm

Post by greenwich »

Redwine wrote:Personal attacks like that without signing your name shows lack of your own integrity and self respect. Very disappointing and unprofessional indeed.
Welcome to AvCanada!!! It's so easy to be 'tough' when you are sitting at a computer in your parents basement hiding behind a fake name and probably a false identity!

G
---------- ADS -----------
 
"Slow and steady wins the race"
User avatar
gelbisch
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1095
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:49 am
Location: Guelph, ON

Post by gelbisch »

greenwich wrote:It's so easy to be 'tough' when you are sitting at a computer in your parents basement hiding behind a fake name and probably a false identity!
:smt024

Anonymity breeds courage!
---------- ADS -----------
 
The Hammer
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 446
Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:46 am

Post by The Hammer »

Canadian Regional did not pay a salary until you passed your line check or PPC, I don't remember (approx. 6 weeks). When you did, you went on salary and got your seniority number effective that date. While on GS and sim they provided accomadation and per diems only.

Perimeter uses the GS to weed out the tools, it's 3 days and it gives a guy a chance to differentiate themselves from the hundreds of other resumes on the CP's desk. It is a much better system than the " My daddy is so and so" method. I personally would give left nut to to have such a system at somewhere like AC. It beats the hell out of the bribing (Here's a 1974 bottle of Dom Perignon, Irene) that goes on there currently!!!


Disco STu I must be mellowing in my old age. Your still a clown
---------- ADS -----------
 
29chev
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 154
Joined: Fri Feb 20, 2004 1:45 pm

Post by 29chev »

The Hammer

Just so your not sending your resumes to the wrong person "Irene" hasn't been in that postion for at least 6 years and I don't think she even works for AC any more ....but if your sending "1974 bottle's of Dom Perignon"
my address is
29chev
box 555
Canada
honest I'll get you an interview :roll:
I personally would give left nut to to have such a system at somewhere like AC.
I can't for the life of me figure out why so many people are willing to work for free....I have a family and a mortage as do many of us after you've been around for a while and I can't afford to work for nothing (sh1t starting wages are bad enough at AC without offering to work GS for free)

and while were at it I'm a little sick of people complaining about the nepotism at AC, my guess is 99% of the AC pilots got there on their own, hard work and persistence (and a little luck) and I'm betting there is at least 1% nepotism anywhere you go....and yes I am just pulling these numbers out of the clear air but IMHO I think they are not far off. Don't forget "my Daddy is so and so" only gets you the interview after that its up to the person to get him or herself the job.
29chev
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
gelbisch
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1095
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:49 am
Location: Guelph, ON

Post by gelbisch »

Well my pops works there and it hasn't done a goddam thing for me. I gotta fight my way in just like everyone else.
---------- ADS -----------
 
phatboy
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 40
Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:21 pm

Post by phatboy »

luckily its a free country....if he wants to go, he is free to go. Who cares if they were good to him...you gotta look out for yourself, and not worry about others......I don't think it is so bad that he found a job elsewhere...good for him!
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
highlander
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 222
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:53 pm

Post by highlander »

It seems this thread is shifting topics a bit.

1) At first I was angry that this pilot left because, I did not get a call from perimeter. I thought that for sure now a bond would be in place. But Perimeter is not paying anyone for anything until you are PPC'd. Talking with guys, people are upset because a lot of time is being devoted to the process of getting trained but no one has actually said to them you are hired once the training is done. Guys have been devoting time to the company but have no clue. I am sorry but this is wrong. If you tell the guys "welcome aboard you're hired pending successful training, that's one thing. But to say nothing and keep dragging them on and on. I have buddies that have done the ground school, GPS, elementary maintenance and still have no idea what is going on and if they are hired.

2) It was mentioned that the ground school is used to weed out. That's a good theory. But there were nearly 20 people or so in the class. The instructor new maybe only 4 people becasue they attended the class before. He never took attendance and only asked questions at the beginning. Too many people. Because of this most people only got one questions. Whereas someone would be asked a limitation, the next person had to describe the system. Not a very good way to assess everyone.

O.k I am jealous, bitter, frustrated. :)
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Disco Stu
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 677
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:26 am
Location: Springfield, USA
Contact:

Post by Disco Stu »

The Hammer wrote:Disco STu I must be mellowing in my old age. Your still a clown
You mean you're. Not your.

And you are a transparent wiener. Surprised you didn't bash Perimeter in your post. Maybe you are mellowing.

Image
---------- ADS -----------
 
"The South will boogie again."
Donald
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2453
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:34 am
Location: Canada

Post by Donald »

First off, isn't a "golden handshake" something you get when you retire from a major corporation (IE what Milton is looking forward to)?

Secondly, that sounds like a really productive groundschool. Guys making no money and unable to ask questions. I mean, if you ask something you might appear dumb, then you'll never get paid. Not exactly the kind of groundschool that will produce the best results.

Maybe they need a better interview process? By the time the GS starts, they should be reasonably comfortable with their selections. If someone is a bozo at that point or during their training, well they should still be within the 3 month probationary window. You could dismiss at that point with no cause.
---------- ADS -----------
 
ei ei owe
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 793
Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:39 am
Location: getting closer to home

Post by ei ei owe »

Forget the golden handshakes.

Let's start talking about golden showers!
---------- ADS -----------
 
Everything comes in threes....
wha happen
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 963
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:39 am

Post by wha happen »

And you are a transparent wiener
So the ladies never see you coming? :lol:
---------- ADS -----------
 
Its the way she goes boys, its the way she goes.

Lets sacrifice him to the crops.
Post Reply

Return to “General Comments”