PC-12 off runway in YTS

[185_guy]

Heard through the grapevine that last night a PC-12 went off the end of a runway in YTS (Timmins). Apparently everyone was OK.
After a visit to the airport today, yea it's way off the end of Rwy 10. It must have been a scary ride through the bushes that far out.
Arm chair quarterback experience leads me to believe there must have been a mechanical problem to end up that far into the tullies. Hopefully a CADORS and some follow-up info will be out when the cause is known.
I don't want to start a SEIFR debate until the facts are out, but if an engine problem lead to this incident................

[BTyyj]

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/c ... srchtype=1

Looks like it was fairly serious. Kudos to the crew.

[cncpc]

Good job the crew.

[Eleveniron]

I don't want to start a SEIFR debate until the facts are out, but if an engine problem lead to this incident................

Really... You don't want to start a SEIFR debate?

[onspeed]

Good job to the crew. Hopefully the medics bought the beer last night.

[Doc]

Happy everybody is Okay....but, it had to happen sooner of later...

['CauseTheCaravanCan]

I'll bite, why Doc?

[Cat Driver]

I'll bite, why Doc?

You can't figure out the answer to that?

['CauseTheCaravanCan]

I'll just shake off the unprovoked condescension Cat, and ask with all sincerity
Why was it bound to happen sooner or later?
Is Bravo just another crummy operator? or Single Engine IFR a crummy way of doing business?
Or is it just that Winter has finally hit, and anybody on moving rubber looks like a drunk broomball tourney in progress?
Seriously What?
*I honestly DON'T know. I have no ties to the operator, type of aircraft, type of flying, or moving rubber*
Please don't flame me!
***takes cover anyway***

[trey kule]

Perhaps before we start with all the kudos, speculation, and analysis, we should just wait awhile until some additional facts come out..

[pokaroo]

...............

[wingandaprayer]

I work at YTS FSS. As a formal investigation is in process, all I can really say is my hat's off to the pilots.

[flyincanuck]

1. Nice job to the crew. Glad to see a happy ending. Hope you had a few pints.






2. Kaboom.

Wasaya, Kelner and now Bravo. It's a ticking time-bomb. People will eventually die. It's a great machine if you're working in the lower 48. Northern/Northwestern Ontario...c'mon. Last week I heard the RCMP making a pos'n report 150nm north of Fro Bay. Man that sends shivers down my spine for so many reasons.

Very disappointed that the new ON govn't (errr sorry "not-for-profit") airline are flying these. Beech wouldn't get in bed with Mazza I suppose.

[Cat Driver]

This is one of those very lucky times to lose n engine.

It would be really interesting to know how they flew the approach and what situational aids they used to find the airport if they were IMC for most of the approach.

Nice to see no/one injured.

Good job of getting it down on an airport.

Also I would like to know if they wished they were flying a King Air to make it easier to land it.

[x15]

I'll just shake off the unprovoked condescension Cat, and ask with all sincerity
Why was it bound to happen sooner or later?
Is Bravo just another crummy operator? or Single Engine IFR a crummy way of doing business?
Or is it just that Winter has finally hit, and anybody on moving rubber looks like a drunk broomball tourney in progress?
Seriously What?
*I honestly DON'T know. I have no ties to the operator, type of aircraft, type of flying, or moving rubber*
Please don't flame me!
***takes cover anyway***

The Air Bravo Corp. Pilatus PC-12-45 aircraft (operating as AB1203, C-FPCN) was on an IFR flight from Hornepayne Airport (CYHN) to Timmins Airport (CYTS). As reported by Timmins FSS (AOR 142043-V1). The flight crew of AB1203 declared emergency due to engine failure when 5 minutes out from CYTS. They landed on runway 10 at 0322z and came to a stop 1500' past the end of the runway on the north side of centerline. The crew advised that all on board were OK. Airfield maintenance staff assisted in evacuating the occupants. There were two pilots and one paramedic on board. As reported by Toronto ACC (AOR 142038-V1) The flight crew of AB1203, PC12, from CYHN to CYTS declared an emergency due to an engine problem at 0310Z. The aircraft landed on runway 10 at CYTS and rolled off the end of the runway. There were no fatalities and runway 10 is unusable until further advised. No other operational impact

Good job by the crew.

[ZBBYLW]

I am just curious if the PC-12 has synthetic vision? It would be really nice if they had a bird they could put on the threshold and just fly the approach like that... Easier to stick it where you want it if it's on a picture where you will end up. Either way great job by the crew - I bet the beer tasted so nice that night!

[Doc]

I'll just shake off the unprovoked condescension Cat, and ask with all sincerity
Why was it bound to happen sooner or later?
Is Bravo just another crummy operator? or Single Engine IFR a crummy way of doing business?
Or is it just that Winter has finally hit, and anybody on moving rubber looks like a drunk broomball tourney in progress?
Seriously What?
*I honestly DON'T know. I have no ties to the operator, type of aircraft, type of flying, or moving rubber*
Please don't flame me!
***takes cover anyway***

I'll try to be polite
There was nothing wrong with Cat's comment.
The PC12 only has one engine (just like your Caravan)
Sooner, or later an engine will quit
That's what happened.
They were VERY lucky it happened when and where it did.
They must have landed a bit long (not a criticism, just a fact) with no reverse...off the end they went.
News flash.....this was not in any way aimed at YOU.

[impress]

I wonder what the altitude was at the time of occurrence? I get anxious feelings just thinking about the whole situation they went through.

[Liquid Charlie]

Great job by the crew -- wasn't that an oh fu_ck moment -- makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up -- all I can say is the the Brits got it right when it came to single engine commercial IFR --

[MrWings]

"The Man" is watching ...

Trenton staff advised that whilst perusing a Canadian aviation forum, staff discovered that a PC-12 (C-FPCN) suffered an engine failure five (5) miles from the Timmins Airport last night.

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/c ... srchtype=1

[2.5milefinal]

I find it interesting (and a little funny) that they would add that information to the CADORS report.

[BingBong]

I wonder what the altitude was at the time of occurrence? I get anxious feelings just thinking about the whole situation they went through.

all depends...were they outbound on the approach or inbound....could be 5000'....could be 1500'....not sure the glide ratio in a 12 but....

yet another reason as to why I'd take my chances in an ambulance on the 144 hwy to YSB with a well trained paramedic instead of on the pilatapus....

That being said....good job boys! (or girls). Being far off the end of a runway is not to shabby a spot to put'er down in a northern setting.
You guys have proved that our job is not always sunshine and roses and that when it comes down to it, training and experience should never be compromised (or skipped by some of the newer gen pilots in this industry).

[BTyyj]

I find it interesting (and a little funny) that they would add that information to the CADORS report.

I do as well. It seems like they are reporting that SAR wasn't launched and wasn't even notified of the event, and only found out through this forum. Maybe a miscommunication or even a lack of communication.

You guys have proved that our job is not always sunshine and roses and that when it comes down to it, training and experience should never be compromised (or skipped by some of the newer gen pilots in this industry).

+1

[Gorgons]

I find it bizarre that Nav Canada would add a supplemental to note that the Search and Rescue folks found out about the engine failure and subsequent over-run by reading a Canadian aviation forum. Don’t see why it’s relevant, unless it was breakdown in Nav Canada's communication protocols and requires follow-up.

[Bushav8er]

all depends...were they outbound on the approach or inbound....could be 5000'....could be 1500'....not sure the glide ratio in a 12 but....

From Hornepayne probably direct the TAGED (3.3DME cross at 1940, VOR/DME 10)..."5 mins back" = approx 12 miles out; and 12,000 feet approx 12 miles glide - roughly