Looking for advise regarding type rating training in Canada.

[takamasa]

I hold a canadian CPL and Group 1 instrument rating with ATPL written

I am looking to fund myself for an a320 type rating in canada, As far as i know AAT and CAE are the only 2 training units providing the course.

I understand AAT will charge you $18000 and what about CAE ? any ideas? i have been contacting been few times, unable to reach them.

thanks a lot

Besides, As a canadian license holder, is it possible for me to do my type rating in the states?

Just like guys hired by a canadian operator, then down to the states for a kingair/ B1900 PPC, does it work for A320 type rating as well?

Are there any training unit will provide A320 specific for canadian license holder?

thanks a lot

cheers

[AFLy]

Pan Am training in the states runs the best program im aware of, for price and quality of training. They should be able to do up a package for TC to get you rated. Also they have good contacts for low hour flying in china etc.

Call this guy. Good luck. It should cost about half what they said in Canada.

Brian Todd
Account Executive
Pan Am International Flight Academy
3401 Quebec St., Suite 6900
Denver, CO 80207
Toll Free: 877-394-2118
Denver: 303-394-2118
Mobile: 720-278-6009
Fax: 303-355-5560
E-Mail: btodd@PanAmAcademy.com
http://www.PanAmAcademy.com

[Colonel Sanders]

As a canadian license holder, is it possible for me to do my type rating in the states?

Sure. Get the type rating in the USA on your FAA ATP and have it transferred to your Cdn ATPL.

[ant_321]

Why are you buying a job?

[ybwflyguy]

Why are you buying a job?

Perhaps he has assurance of a job in Asia. Buying a TR is pretty standard in Europe, or any part of the world lacking GA where pilots cannot build hours. It's certainly not "buying a job" - considering the shitty money he'd earn as an instructor or turboprop FO in Canada it's practically a saving if he can go straight to earning a proper salary and fly a great aircraft for an $18G investment.

[Colonel Sanders]

Why are you buying a job?

If you paid for any of your PPL/night/CPL/MIFR, did you "buy your job"?

[DanWEC]

Why are you buying a job?

Perhaps he has assurance of a job in Asia. Buying a TR is pretty standard in Europe, or any part of the world lacking GA where pilots cannot build hours. It's certainly not "buying a job" - considering the shitty money he'd earn as an instructor or turboprop FO in Canada it's practically a saving if he can go straight to earning a proper salary and fly a great aircraft for an $18G investment.

Agreed. This whole mentality that you're a sellout unless you grind away, pay your dues and work for peanuts (selling yourself out anyways) is starting to get a little tiresome. That's the mentality that's contributed to such financial regression in the industry in the first place. I'm glad you and others answered the original poster in a civil manner.

You're not accused of buying an engineering job because you paid for an engineering degree. Etc.
By that token we've all bought jobs by paying for our license.

[Les Habitants]

Why are you buying a job?

Perhaps he has assurance of a job in Asia. Buying a TR is pretty standard in Europe, or any part of the world lacking GA where pilots cannot build hours. It's certainly not "buying a job" - considering the shitty money he'd earn as an instructor or turboprop FO in Canada it's practically a saving if he can go straight to earning a proper salary and fly a great aircraft for an $18G investment.

Agreed. This whole mentality that you're a sellout unless you grind away, pay your dues and work for peanuts (selling yourself out anyways) is starting to get a little tiresome. That's the mentality that's contributed to such financial regression in the industry in the first place. I'm glad you and others answered the original poster in a civil manner.

You're not accused of buying an engineering job because you paid for an engineering degree. Etc.
By that token we've all bought jobs by paying for our license.

Ya but most European airlines DON'T start out to pay well. Don't get me wrong, if I got offered 85K a year to fly an A320, and was guarenteed the job provided I got my own type rating, I'd be all over that!

However, I know all too well that MOST often is not the case, and it's just people desparate to fly trying to make themselves more marketable by buying their own type ratings. Not saying this is takamsa's case, but it really is a sham.

[Colonel Sanders]

you're a sellout unless you grind away

From a comparative advantage standpoint, I think they're saying that their time is (nearly) worthless at doing anything, so it makes sense for them to do it.

To learn the basics about comparative advantage and opportunity cost, click here:

http://www.econlib.org/library/Topics/D ... ntage.html

[DanWEC]

From that economic standpoint, it's true. I've analyzed this myself. It's too bad that if you have a decent paying job it's far cheaper to simply buy up time (or ME time down south) and continue working the other job than it is to take the lower paying entry level flying job. Might have a tougher time getting hired with no operational experience however.

[Colonel Sanders]

An idea that gets continally floated around here (but it does have it's admitted pitfalls) is buying a little 4-cyl trainer and flying the pants off it, to get your PPL and night and build the time for the CPL (and maybe up to the 500 hr mark). With a partner, that idea becomes even more financially attractive - if you can find the right little 4-cyl trainer to buy, and then sell.

Once you've done that ... another interesting idea is to buy a little trainer with TWO 4-cyl engines on it - maybe even with the same partner - and get your multi on it and then fly the pants off it, for another 500 hrs, and then selling it.

At that point, you'd be 1000TT with 500MPIC, which is not too shabby. And if you actually went places with it, I don't think you'd really be at much of a disadvantage as say an instructor, who'd been around the circuit and to the VOR and back quite a few times!

And owning and operating an aircraft is valuable experience, and you'd probably be a bit more gentle with an aircraft than say someone who only flew rentals. To me at least, that's a plus. When they're your gear doors, for example, you tend not to push the Vle, as an example.

[Shiny Side Up]

you'd probably be a bit more gentle with an aircraft than say someone who only flew rentals.

You'd think this would be the case, but experience doesn't bear this out. There's a lot of owners out there who just pay a lot of money to fix the abuse they heap upon their airplanes a lot or otherwise abuse them and fly them around broken. At the very least, there is no correlation between aircraft ownership and one's ability or propensity to care for an airplane. Remember that each one of those poor abandoned things you see all over airports in this country have an owner.

My personal favorites have been people who've approached me to rent, because they wanted to do something with an airplane that they didn't want to use their own for. Makes you wonder if they worked for you which standard of care they would apply to their working machine. Needless to say we could never come to a suitable agreement for their desired use of my airplane.

[delay256]

Doing it in the states can be complicated because they have the SIC Ride and the PIC Ride where as Canada only has one type of ride.

[takamasa]

Pan Am training in the states runs the best program im aware of, for price and quality of training. They should be able to do up a package for TC to get you rated. Also they have good contacts for low hour flying in china etc.

Call this guy. Good luck. It should cost about half what they said in Canada.

Brian Todd
Account Executive
Pan Am International Flight Academy
3401 Quebec St., Suite 6900
Denver, CO 80207
Toll Free: 877-394-2118
Denver: 303-394-2118
Mobile: 720-278-6009
Fax: 303-355-5560
E-Mail: btodd@PanAmAcademy.com
http://www.PanAmAcademy.com

i contacted Pan am and the price was really ok which i am really interested in doing it with Pan am.

However the lady cannot clearly tell me what the procedure is in order to have my sticker on my license booklet.

might you have any ideas?should i convert my canadian to FAA , then back to Canadian?

thanks a lot, guys!

[takamasa]

Why are you buying a job?

Perhaps he has assurance of a job in Asia. Buying a TR is pretty standard in Europe, or any part of the world lacking GA where pilots cannot build hours. It's certainly not "buying a job" - considering the shitty money he'd earn as an instructor or turboprop FO in Canada it's practically a saving if he can go straight to earning a proper salary and fly a great aircraft for an $18G investment.

yes, it's about investment and i did see some carriers in asia willing to take pilots with type rating but without time on type. I am guessing having a type rating will actually make me more competitive.

[takamasa]

Doing it in the states can be complicated because they have the SIC Ride and the PIC Ride where as Canada only has one type of ride.

just reply you with personal message.

[capt.pilot]

I think you will find that in order to get the type rating on your license you will have to have a TC or a Company Check Pilot be present for the ride in the US if you do it down there. If Pan AM doesn't have a TC approved guy on staff, then You're going to have to find one to go with you for the ride at the end of the Type Course.. The other issue would be if the Sim is TC approved, All in Canada hold a TC Approval for Type C or D that are used for Type Ratings.. For what it's worth, when you consider buying him a ticket down, hotels, expenses if Pan Am doesn't have one, it might be cheaper to do it in Canada...

[takamasa]

here's what i got from a licensing officer

If you do not have the type rating on your foreign licence then you must provide the following documentation:

Upon completion of your Type Rating Training and PPC, you and the Type Rating Training Organization (TRTO) should provide the following documentation:

a) Copies of the training program along with your training records.
b) Proof that the training pilot is qualified to provide the type rating training. ( A letter from the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) or the Training Organization)
c) A copy of the PPC.
d) Proof that the examiner was authorized to conduct the PPC for the State. ( A letter from the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) or the Training Organization).
e) A letter from the examiner stating that had you held a Pilot Certificate of the of the State where you completed the training, you would have been
issued the type rating by applied for. The wording should be as follows:

"Mr. (Name of Applicant) has successfully completed the training program and Pilot Proficiency Check for the (Name of aircraft type) type rating. Mr. (Name of Applicant) would have been issued the (Name of aircraft type) type rating had we been able to endorse his Canadian
Airline Transport Pilot Licence.

apparently, she didnt say anything regarding having a TC certified examiner to present for my checkride

how is it possible?

and i spoke with pan am , the admission officer also says the same thing which i dun need a FAA license for my type rating training.

anyway, i am confused.