CARs that you think should be changed
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Re: CARs that you think should be changed
I don't like the look of the new Camaro, I think it should be changed.
Duty times - 14 hours is a joke
Exemptions for Twin Otter drivers - they don't matter?
The BC approach in Ottawa - or anywhere else for that matter. Really?
The lack of runway lighting in Ottawa - give me a break, we can't afford light bulbs?
Allowing dem Frenchman's to speak French on da radio
The stupid license book with its goofy stickies
The $110 annual filing-your-medical-form-which-is-actually-a-fzcking-tax that probably goes right into their pension plan fee
The tribunal quasi-judicial farce that substitutes for due process 'up here'
The stupid labour laws that allow companies to bond you to slave labour
The "paying your dues" mentality that's accepted 'up here'
2000 hours jet time to be a copilot on a corporate jet. Really? Up here?
The fact that TC is so stone-age you still fill out those medical forms every 6 months by hand and there's still no "previously reported" box to tick.
Yes, I know...
Duty times - 14 hours is a joke
Exemptions for Twin Otter drivers - they don't matter?
The BC approach in Ottawa - or anywhere else for that matter. Really?
The lack of runway lighting in Ottawa - give me a break, we can't afford light bulbs?
Allowing dem Frenchman's to speak French on da radio
The stupid license book with its goofy stickies
The $110 annual filing-your-medical-form-which-is-actually-a-fzcking-tax that probably goes right into their pension plan fee
The tribunal quasi-judicial farce that substitutes for due process 'up here'
The stupid labour laws that allow companies to bond you to slave labour
The "paying your dues" mentality that's accepted 'up here'
2000 hours jet time to be a copilot on a corporate jet. Really? Up here?
The fact that TC is so stone-age you still fill out those medical forms every 6 months by hand and there's still no "previously reported" box to tick.
Yes, I know...
Re: CARs that you think should be changed
Totally! However, i do like the look of the new Camaro!xsbank wrote:I don't like the look of the new Camaro, I think it should be changed.
Duty times - 14 hours is a joke
Exemptions for Twin Otter drivers - they don't matter?
The BC approach in Ottawa - or anywhere else for that matter. Really?
The lack of runway lighting in Ottawa - give me a break, we can't afford light bulbs?
Allowing dem Frenchman's to speak French on da radio
The stupid license book with its goofy stickies
The $110 annual filing-your-medical-form-which-is-actually-a-fzcking-tax that probably goes right into their pension plan fee
The tribunal quasi-judicial farce that substitutes for due process 'up here'
The stupid labour laws that allow companies to bond you to slave labour
The "paying your dues" mentality that's accepted 'up here'
2000 hours jet time to be a copilot on a corporate jet. Really? Up here?
The fact that TC is so stone-age you still fill out those medical forms every 6 months by hand and there's still no "previously reported" box to tick.
Yes, I know...
What's with the licence booklet????? The Yanks have a nice little card with a magnetic strip.....we couldn't do THAT??
Re: CARs that you think should be changed
Wow. When it comes to "ill informed" and even "dangerous", you can't get better than that statement. The rest of the post deserves about as much respect as well.I can calibrate my airspeed indicator with my GPS more accurately than necessary for VFR flight.
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So he does a two-way run, averages the GPS groundspeeds, and then spins the E6B to convert from true to calibrated, then uses the POH to convert from calibrated to indicated, and compares what he sees ...
That makes him dangerous AND foolish? Are you still going to respect my post in the morning?
That makes him dangerous AND foolish? Are you still going to respect my post in the morning?
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Ah, colon. Sanders..... if there is any headwind or tailwind component , the speed will not average out...but you knew that....right?So he does a two-way run, averages the GPS groundspeeds
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Is this a trick question?
Let's say you know the wind aloft is out of the northwest-ish.
You fly 330 degrees, and see 90 knots on the GPS groundspeed.
You turn to the reciprocal heading of 150, and see 110 knots on the GPS groundspeed.
That's 100 knots average. Since you know that you didn't have a horrendous (if any) crosswind, you know that you're moving at 100 knots true airspeed through the air mass.
Take that 100 knots true airspeed, and spin the E6B to convert it to calibrated. Use the POH to apply the conversion from calibrated to indicated, and compare that to what you see on the ASI.
Did is miss the "big briefing" again? Do you have your panties in a bunch that I neglected the equivalent airspeed conversion at 100 knots? Really? Really?
Let's say you know the wind aloft is out of the northwest-ish.
You fly 330 degrees, and see 90 knots on the GPS groundspeed.
You turn to the reciprocal heading of 150, and see 110 knots on the GPS groundspeed.
That's 100 knots average. Since you know that you didn't have a horrendous (if any) crosswind, you know that you're moving at 100 knots true airspeed through the air mass.
Take that 100 knots true airspeed, and spin the E6B to convert it to calibrated. Use the POH to apply the conversion from calibrated to indicated, and compare that to what you see on the ASI.
Did is miss the "big briefing" again? Do you have your panties in a bunch that I neglected the equivalent airspeed conversion at 100 knots? Really? Really?
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[quote]Is this a trick question?[/quote
Well, to be honest, pretty much.
The thread was already drifting so I figured it was pretty much on topic
I did not actually think when I put the hook in the water, so to speak, the fish would bite so quickly.
A few of the guys here had an informal pool going as to how long it would take for one of the blow hard, big headed, Eeego fish to take the bait..I wasnt even close, but in fairness I was not aware that one can be notified of a new post on a thread.
Well, to be honest, pretty much.
The thread was already drifting so I figured it was pretty much on topic
I did not actually think when I put the hook in the water, so to speak, the fish would bite so quickly.
A few of the guys here had an informal pool going as to how long it would take for one of the blow hard, big headed, Eeego fish to take the bait..I wasnt even close, but in fairness I was not aware that one can be notified of a new post on a thread.
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So you're saying you can't check your ASI with a two-way GPS run? Is neglecting the equivalent airspeed really a burr up your tailpipe?
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Will this method tell you if there are leaks in your pitot static system?
Also, how will you know if the encoder is transmitting the correct altitude to ATC?
Also, how will you know if the encoder is transmitting the correct altitude to ATC?
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They will let you know if you aren'thow will you know if the encoder is transmitting the correct altitude to ATC?

Actually, my transponder has a nifty digital readout of the encoder pressure altitude. So, all you do is dial in 29.92 into the indicating altimeter and compare the two values. That doesn't take into account equivalent airspeed effects, though.
Not sure if you've ever flown a light unpressurized aircraft before, but a totally open static system will result in at most a 100 foot error (increase) in your indicated altitude, and 10 mph increase in your ASI. I found that out one day when I got bored and opened the alt static port. Unfortunately I panicked and almost ejected when I saw the instrument errors, until I remembered I could just close the static port again. Just to be sure, I filed a CADORs when I landed, about it. Had a few stiff drinks after I landed to calm my nerves, before I drove home.
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EAS? Nope. I am not sure you got the drift of my post...Let me explain...
Take a mirror..Look into it. Then have a laugh . If you cant laugh at yourself you sure are not one of the other 2000 posters here who can laugh at you.
And I will leave this thread alone....Calibrating ASI with GPS is related to how the CARS should be changed, exactly how?
Take a mirror..Look into it. Then have a laugh . If you cant laugh at yourself you sure are not one of the other 2000 posters here who can laugh at you.
And I will leave this thread alone....Calibrating ASI with GPS is related to how the CARS should be changed, exactly how?
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Only on AvCanada can someone respond to such a prompt and correct post, correcting a false post preceding it, which requires no more then a grade 10 or 11 level education on vectors to understand, with such distain and bitterness.trey kule wrote:Is this a trick question?[/quote
Well, to be honest, pretty much.
The thread was already drifting so I figured it was pretty much on topic
I did not actually think when I put the hook in the water, so to speak, the fish would bite so quickly.
A few of the guys here had an informal pool going as to how long it would take for one of the blow hard, big headed, Eeego fish to take the bait..I wasnt even close, but in fairness I was not aware that one can be notified of a new post on a thread.
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That would be great.Shiny Side Up wrote:Hence the changing of requirements for obtaining a FTUOC. My feeling is that this would rejuvenate a lot of small airports since it would be reasonable to start up a lot of single airplane, single pilot/instructor training options. The two things you would see a lot of would be complex singles available for IFR training or rent, especially to do serious cross country work, and tailwheel/aerobatic/upset training machines. Thirdly you might also see a lot more multi training options.We can't change most FTU, but longer and more frequent cross-country flights + some upset recovery should help a little bit.
Anecdote:
There's a school in CYHU that bought a pretty nice Piper Arrow. I thought "great, I'd love to rent this for maybe a week and do a big XC with 1 or 2 other pilots". The FTU told me: sorry, can't go further than CYOW or CYQB with it (less than 200nm). Why the hell did they buy this airplane then?

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Perhaps we should take into relativistic effects of the planes motion, to accurately calibrate the ASI? TK, I'm sure you utilize the Lorentz equations on a daily basis, so this should not be foreign to you - we need not involve ICAO.
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Re: CARs that you think should be changed
If it's essential for GPS, it has to be essential for an ASI!
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That's what I was thinking. We need to start taking ASI calibration in light, unpressurized 100 knot aircraft, a lot more seriously.
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Lets for a moment pretend that everything stated about calibrating an ASI in a VFR airplane was technically correct. Why would you go through all that trouble? Just get your bloody instruments calibrated.
And about encoders. They aren't mandated so ATC can figure out where VFR airplanes are when they are flying 1000 AGL over some farm. They are for airspace where incorrect encoder altitudes can affect everything from separation to false TCAS alerts. And no, ATC can't tell you if your encoder is wrong. Think about it. Your transponder is broadcasting the altitude your encoder is providing it. If ATC could figure out your altitude, without it, why on earth would encoders be required in certain airspace??
I've never seen someone go so far out of their way to get around regulations and standards.
What's wrong with aviation Cat Driver? This is what's wrong with aviation.
And about encoders. They aren't mandated so ATC can figure out where VFR airplanes are when they are flying 1000 AGL over some farm. They are for airspace where incorrect encoder altitudes can affect everything from separation to false TCAS alerts. And no, ATC can't tell you if your encoder is wrong. Think about it. Your transponder is broadcasting the altitude your encoder is providing it. If ATC could figure out your altitude, without it, why on earth would encoders be required in certain airspace??
I've never seen someone go so far out of their way to get around regulations and standards.
What's wrong with aviation Cat Driver? This is what's wrong with aviation.
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Re: CARs that you think should be changed
Instead of simply flying the recipricol heading, use of all four cardinal points will negate any crosswind component. Of course this would never be a problem for youColonel Sanders wrote:Since you know that you didn't have a horrendous (if any) crosswind[...]Do you have your panties in a bunch that I neglected the equivalent airspeed conversion at 100 knots? Really? Really?

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It's not rocket science; ATC gives you an altitude, your encoder tells them you're not at the altitude they assigned, they call you and ask why, you tell them you're at the correct altitude on the correct altimeter setting, they tell you your encoder is wrong.CID wrote:And about encoders. They aren't mandated so ATC can figure out where VFR airplanes are when they are flying 1000 AGL over some farm. They are for airspace where incorrect encoder altitudes can affect everything from separation to false TCAS alerts. And no, ATC can't tell you if your encoder is wrong. Think about it. Your transponder is broadcasting the altitude your encoder is providing it. If ATC could figure out your altitude, without it, why on earth would encoders be required in certain airspace??

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SD: CID doesn't fly airplanes, so I guess he doesn't know about that.
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Trying to be subtle seems to be a bit more difficult than I imagined...let me clarify my original post.
It was done tongue in cheek.
It was light spirited as some of the guys wanted to see how long it would take for someone to jump up and explain, using charts, diagrams, and a mess of formulae, to demonstrate their awsome understanding of all and anything aeronautical.
The second post tried to clarify that, but apparently the intent was lost as some people are still treating the post as serious
It was done tongue in cheek.

The second post tried to clarify that, but apparently the intent was lost as some people are still treating the post as serious
Re: CARs that you think should be changed
So, what CAR's do you think should be changed? BTW, WTF is an ASI? And why is it being discussed here?
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shitdisturber, and did you use the same equipment and method to calibrate both your encoder and altimeter? Is there a chance they are both wrong? How would you know?
And what if you're not in ATC coverage and you're at an incorrect altitude while a TCAS equipped aircraft is near you? If your encoder is out a couple of thousand feet you could cause a false RA.
Again, just calibrate your bloody altimeter instead of putting so much effort into getting around the regs.
Other shitdisturber: The new Hedley seemed to be `kinder and gentler`at first but I guess birds will eventually show their true colours.
And what if you're not in ATC coverage and you're at an incorrect altitude while a TCAS equipped aircraft is near you? If your encoder is out a couple of thousand feet you could cause a false RA.
Again, just calibrate your bloody altimeter instead of putting so much effort into getting around the regs.
Other shitdisturber: The new Hedley seemed to be `kinder and gentler`at first but I guess birds will eventually show their true colours.
Re: CARs that you think should be changed
Are fingernail clippers okay for toenails, or should you only use toenail clippers? Is there a CARS for this? If this is in the CARS, I certainly would like to see it changed.