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I am currently working for a 703/4 company and YES I have a bond, but i don't pay a cent unless I leave before my 12 months are up. In which case I must pay the remaining pro-rated balance on the bond. Seems fair, but that's just my opinion.
What happens if before the 12 months are up the company you work for goes out of business? Often the bond involves the company taking a bank loan in the pilots name to pay for their training. So if the company goes out of business through no fault of the pilot, the poor pilot is still on the hook to pay for the rest of his/her bond. Which is hard to do seeing as they just lost their job because their employer went out of business.

This might not be the case with your situation, but I encourage all pilots considering signing a bond to ask this question.

Pilots subisidizing someon else's struggling business does not seem fair, but thats just my opinion.
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GTODD wrote:What happens if before the 12 months are up the company you work for goes out of business? Often the bond involves the company taking a bank loan in the pilots name to pay for their training. So if the company goes out of business through no fault of the pilot, the poor pilot is still on the hook to pay for the rest of his/her bond. Which is hard to do seeing as they just lost their job because their employer went out of business.

This might not be the case with your situation, but I encourage all pilots considering signing a bond to ask this question.

Pilots subisidizing someon else's struggling business does not seem fair, but thats just my opinion.

Jetsgo ring a bell?
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GTODD wrote: I encourage all pilots considering signing a bond to ask this question.
And I encourage all pilots NOT to sign a bond in the first place....
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GTODD wrote:
What happens if before the 12 months are up the company you work for goes out of business? Often the bond involves the company taking a bank loan in the pilots name to pay for their training.

This might not be the case with your situation, but I encourage all pilots considering signing a bond to ask this question.

Pilots subisidizing someon else's struggling business does not seem fair, but thats just my opinion.
Not my case at all, the company I work for assumed all costs of my training, provided I stay for 12 months. If they go under or I get fired then I'm not on the hook for anything.

I heard stories about companies getting pilots to take out a bank loan but didn't think it was true...that is just absurd. I believe in that case we aren't talking about a bond anymore, that is basically a pilot taking out a loan at a bank...thus paying for his training (because the company is probably gonna take the payments out of his/her paycheck). A bond is a contract which should be of equal value to both parties, an exchange of services if you will...in the former case, the pilot takes out a loan which the company will pay. It's all on the pilot, but if the company goes under or buddy gets fired, then he/she is still on the hook for the balance. In that case the pilot has everything to lose and the company is safe.

So while I respect Doc, he seems to have lots of experience in the industry, I disagree with him on the subject of bonds, I believe that if bonds are a proper contract they can be fair....I agree with GTODD that pilots should be wary when signing a bond, think about it and ask yourself a few questions. Don't sign a bond with a huge hard-on cause you finally got a job. Take it home with you for the night, allow the blood to return to your head and then make your decision.

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I asked, while interviewing with a company that requires bonds, what would happen should I be fired or the company tanked, about said bond. Straight faced the CP said to me 'Then you'll owe whatever is left on your bond'. Needless to say, I passed on the job offer.
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Good to see this turkey getting the basting it so truly deserves.
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wallypilot wrote:If that guy was a metro pilot at Carson, I'd totally understand. The medevac gig is not bad, though. Different can o worms, and much more tolerable. I think turbo-prop contract is secure with Carson. BCAS is pretty happy with them.
You are correct. Metro dude.

Agreed that the Medivac side is better. I've flown with a few of the guys there and they do alright for themselves. That doesn't excuse the crap that the Metro crews have to deal with though. Too bad there isn't more parity between the groups.

I've said it before, the combo of shit pay and marked up training bonds are inexcusable. Either one by itself maybe, but not both. Why some pilots choose to do it is beyond me. To each their own I suppose...
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