AC Mgmt Eyes Offshore Airline

[unregistered]

The Airline Pilot is the most skilled and highly trained of all the groups involved (Management, Government).

That's the funniest thing I've heard in ages. All we do is fly aeroplanes, it isn't that hard. Get over it.

[Localizer]

The Airline Pilot is the most skilled and highly trained of all the groups involved (Management, Government).

That's the funniest thing I've heard in ages. All we do is fly aeroplanes, it isn't that hard. Get over it.

Not completely true .. yes we fly airplanes .. but we also manage risk, we do so in every aspect of our "profession". If it was as simple as just flying airplanes then every 250 hour wonder would replace the quarter million dollar B777 Captain for an 1/8th of the cost. We do more then just fly airplanes.

Its hard for management/government/public to percieve us as professional if we can't even see it for ourselves.

Try having a little more self worth.

Cheers.

[unregistered]

If it was as simple as just flying airplanes then every 250 hour wonder would replace the quarter million dollar B777 Captain for an 1/8th of the cost.

And what exactly do you think is in the process of happening?

My self worth is intact - but I'm not disillusioned about what I do.

Cheers!

[TheSuit]

The Airline Pilot is the most skilled and highly trained of all the groups involved (Management, Government).

This is called narcissistic personality disorder. Get help, you'll be a lot happier once you realize that you too, are a human being.

Takes a lot more than balls. What it takes are leaders who are prepared to go to jail and a membership thats willing to back them up when push comes to shove.

Go to jail? Over a minor pay and benefits dispute? There's a few people on this board that seem to be the brink of losing their minds. Greg and Calin move a few pieces on the chess board and you guys have a mental collapse.

[DrBoeing]

The Airline Pilot is the most skilled and highly trained of all the groups involved (Management, Government).

This is called narcissistic personality disorder. Get help, you'll be a lot happier once you realize that you too, are a human being.

Takes a lot more than balls. What it takes are leaders who are prepared to go to jail and a membership thats willing to back them up when push comes to shove.

Go to jail? Over a minor pay and benefits dispute? There's a few people on this board that seem to be the brink of losing their minds. Greg and Calin move a few pieces on the chess board and you guys have a mental collapse.

I can not speak for the pilots but for my group, the AME's, we are talking a 20k Uplift to bring us in line with the rest, I would hardly say that is minor!
But the company attitide at the table thus far is 2% and if you are not happy go work for those better paying companies. (FYI SUITE, I am in the midst of doing just that). These idiots do not realize that at present, there is aprox 250 multi endorsed AME's that can retire tomorrow if they like, many are waiting to see what this contract brings. If it is crap like we suspect it will be, AC will lose many of these people, plus the young ones who have had enough. If AC were to lose 150 of these multi endorsed people, they will be grounded in short order.

[Localizer]

Unregistered, its happening because we our system is broken. History has proven time and time again that the model airlines are using don't work. The LCC won't save AC .. Fracturing the regional market won't save AC .. AC has a lot of fat that needs to be trimmed .. problem .. management is the fat in need of trimming.

I honestly think AC could pay every employee $50,000/yr across the board and the company would still be on the verge of collapse. The problem is at the top .. not the bottom.

[c170b53]

Call it what you want, inept unions, support of the front from afar, management sprawl but basically it comes down to a lack of respect for anyone from just about everyone. No surprise that, whipping only works for the last quarter mile, beat the kid and you get kid beaters, screw the workforce and you get a workforce that's screwed. Support and enablement of the workforce requires an element of risk for all but it's especially risky for those that bring nothing.
Show us that our pensions will be honored, until then expect more of the same dysfunctionalities.

[ZBBYLW]

The Airline Pilot is the most skilled and highly trained of all the groups involved (Management, Government).

That's the funniest thing I've heard in ages. All we do is fly aeroplanes, it isn't that hard. Get over it.

With respect unregistered you could not be further from the truth. All we do on a day to day basis is fly airplanes, however we are not payed just to fly airplanes. What would management of your company say if you had an emergency and let the other pilot completely deal with it because "you were only paid to fly the plane". The fact of the matter is each day we are paid to be in that flight deck for when something goes wrong. I bring that "skill" with me every time I go flying. I have been trained from my company to deal with V1 cuts, Engine Fires, Hydraulic Isses etc.. and have to be ready to deal with any combination of those events. That is where we earn our money and the fact of the matter is, that is why we are there. To fly the airplane from points a and b AND deal with any issues along the way (including operational issues, weather and the like).

This is why I feel pilots should not be showing up to work stuffed up or on meds, yes you could fly from point a to b but giving a pressurization issue it may become more difficult.

What you are saying is our CF-18 pilots are only trained to fly around Canada and drop practice bombs on targets or do basic dog fighting and end their day in Cold Lake for a beer. The reality is we train them so they can go to a place like Lybia and protect ground soldiers or intercept an airliner with a threat. Sure they do not do those things as much as they fly around Canada but they best be prepared.

If you only take to the cockpit with the attitude you're driving from point a to b perhaps you best take up bus driving, hell you will be home every night and get paid much more to work less!