Ahhh that stressful time in life has arrived, in grade 12 and i now have to choose a future career and college to go to. I'm aiming towards AME class E avionics course at Canadore or Fanshawe, but can't decide. I went on an Air Cadet course during the summer at Canadore and I think the school is great. Great teachers, awesome hands on environment, and i have an idea on how the environment would be.
But I'm also thinking of Fanshawe's new avionics program, is anyone in it the program or been to the facility? I know its not accredited (maybe because its new) but would it be a program that would attract companies to hire students from for apprentices?
Also a small thing, i'm kind wanting a job more in an aircraft repair/overhaul company, not an airline
Which AME course to do
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crazygood150
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Re: Which AME course to do
Beware the trolls that will no doubt pop up here telling you to find another industry. If it's something you want to do, then do it. My choice would be Canadore. London, ON is not the nice little country city it used to be but if it's closer to home for you then great. Canadore also is an accredited school with several decades of experience. Best of luck.
Re: Which AME course to do
Don't know where you're from but it may be beneficial to get away from home for a bit too! You know, build up some life skills and all that BS.
Cost is a factor when you're thinking about that too.
If you're thinking about 'E' training good on ya. I don't think you'll find many 'E' guys that are as jaded as those Heliian mentioned above.
Doesn't College of the North Atlantic out 'der in Newfoundland offer both a M Basic and E Basic training all combined? It's something I kick myself for every once a while - woulda been a blast in Nfld and you get the best of both worlds.
...and if Newfoundland isn't a place to build good character I don't know where is.
As for the unaccredited place - I'd avoid it. The reality is you throw money at something that you may have nothing to show for it later on. I'd stick with the established places.
Cost is a factor when you're thinking about that too.
If you're thinking about 'E' training good on ya. I don't think you'll find many 'E' guys that are as jaded as those Heliian mentioned above.
Doesn't College of the North Atlantic out 'der in Newfoundland offer both a M Basic and E Basic training all combined? It's something I kick myself for every once a while - woulda been a blast in Nfld and you get the best of both worlds.
...and if Newfoundland isn't a place to build good character I don't know where is.
As for the unaccredited place - I'd avoid it. The reality is you throw money at something that you may have nothing to show for it later on. I'd stick with the established places.
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FrozenWrench
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Re: Which AME course to do
I'll always say Canadore (which is probably biased since i went there) because the teachers are great, the labs are good and the campus is still fairly new, not even 10 years old yet. Like everyone else is saying also, stay away from unaccredited schools as most employers will go for people from accredited schools because they will have less time as an apprentice. Either way, glad to see people are still wanting to get into the industry, watch out for the guys that cant see the good in it cause they tend to drag the rest of the hanger guys down.
Re: Which AME course to do
Well apparently I'm a troll but hear me out as I think I've got time in doing stuff. If you're thinking about it, think about this; go to any airport in Canada and look at the maintenance facilities. Realize that the big buildings are not full and maybe empty, the small operators are downsizing and overall the industry worldwide has been in a consolidation mode for the past 20 years. (Want a real shock; go to LaGuardia and look at how many hangar complexes are empty, thousands upon thousands used to work in those buildings). As for Avionics, the trend towards digital systems means sophisticated test equipment required to repair and certify. That means send it back to the manufacturer as not only is the equipment required expensive but proprietary rights allows them to limit diagnostic and repair information. Most of the equipment comes from the states so unless you have a green card, count that avenue out. The cheap stuff is just thrown out.
Have a hard look at small aviation facilities. Most operations had a fingertip hold when Avgas was around $1.45, now its $ 1.75 plus meaning that fuel costs alone for a one hour flight for pie costs 55 and only the hardy are keeping up with that. Anyone that owns an airplane will tell you how hard it is to sell it in the present market. The largest fleet (US) was sustained by cheap fuel prices until last year. Now their fuel prices are similar to ours and combined that with the ailing economy, small aircraft prices have plummeted in the states. This should have boosted small aviation in Canada but parts required to maintain have not come down in price. Part suppliers have simply gone out of business. Maintenance costs have not decreased as they were fairly low to begin with and now with aircraft activity decreasing, the economy of scale is working against those in that segment of the industry, such that many have gotten out. Go to any small airport and see how many hangars have had planes replaced by cars and junk. In other words not a pretty picture if you like planes.
Many qualified individuals now find themselves laid-off and those with low time in are looking to other industries. Meanwhile the schools keep pumping out students because that's their business. Associations affiliated with training organizations are trying to expand trades and sub-trade certification requirements whilst in the industry just the opposite is happening. In the near future, system integration will likely mean a merger of the M and E trade groups, that's likely to mean even more competition for available jobs.
Want worse news? Governments are allowing work to be sent abroad. Bad enough there's no oversight here, there's absolutely no control over there. Now go to a big airport and get close to some of those big planes. Not too close you might get scared next time you're up there. Every operator is being squeezed and pencil whipping is the norm. Government knows that TC knows it, their answer to absolve themselves of wrong doing; SMS. Some may say that big companies would never expose themselves to the risk of financial failure due to an accident but realize that many are just on the verge of a financial abyss in just trying to maintain their market share. Governments have removed all safety nets.
Some may think I'm negative and some may think that my 30 plus years in big tin maintenance means little, well that's their right. I'm thinking if they are have been in maintenance for awhile deep down inside they might be admitting to something they don't want acknowledge in their day-to day lives. Luckily for me I've also enjoyed being a small airplane player but sadly I wish the demise of small aviation wasn't so but it is what it is.
So I'll ask you to not only think long and hard about this one, but suggest you go have a good look around on the real ground, stay away from the schools until you absolutely know what you're getting into. If I were looking to get into a trade, I think industrial instrumentation applicable to the oil industry would likely be my choice today. Really know one knows the future but hopefully you'll get a good job so that gas at $55 an hour for flying wouldn't be as painful. We will be needing individuals in those industries, who in the future, will be wanting to shell out that type of cash to prevent near extinction of small aviation and sustain a likely smaller commercial sector.
Have a hard look at small aviation facilities. Most operations had a fingertip hold when Avgas was around $1.45, now its $ 1.75 plus meaning that fuel costs alone for a one hour flight for pie costs 55 and only the hardy are keeping up with that. Anyone that owns an airplane will tell you how hard it is to sell it in the present market. The largest fleet (US) was sustained by cheap fuel prices until last year. Now their fuel prices are similar to ours and combined that with the ailing economy, small aircraft prices have plummeted in the states. This should have boosted small aviation in Canada but parts required to maintain have not come down in price. Part suppliers have simply gone out of business. Maintenance costs have not decreased as they were fairly low to begin with and now with aircraft activity decreasing, the economy of scale is working against those in that segment of the industry, such that many have gotten out. Go to any small airport and see how many hangars have had planes replaced by cars and junk. In other words not a pretty picture if you like planes.
Many qualified individuals now find themselves laid-off and those with low time in are looking to other industries. Meanwhile the schools keep pumping out students because that's their business. Associations affiliated with training organizations are trying to expand trades and sub-trade certification requirements whilst in the industry just the opposite is happening. In the near future, system integration will likely mean a merger of the M and E trade groups, that's likely to mean even more competition for available jobs.
Want worse news? Governments are allowing work to be sent abroad. Bad enough there's no oversight here, there's absolutely no control over there. Now go to a big airport and get close to some of those big planes. Not too close you might get scared next time you're up there. Every operator is being squeezed and pencil whipping is the norm. Government knows that TC knows it, their answer to absolve themselves of wrong doing; SMS. Some may say that big companies would never expose themselves to the risk of financial failure due to an accident but realize that many are just on the verge of a financial abyss in just trying to maintain their market share. Governments have removed all safety nets.
Some may think I'm negative and some may think that my 30 plus years in big tin maintenance means little, well that's their right. I'm thinking if they are have been in maintenance for awhile deep down inside they might be admitting to something they don't want acknowledge in their day-to day lives. Luckily for me I've also enjoyed being a small airplane player but sadly I wish the demise of small aviation wasn't so but it is what it is.
So I'll ask you to not only think long and hard about this one, but suggest you go have a good look around on the real ground, stay away from the schools until you absolutely know what you're getting into. If I were looking to get into a trade, I think industrial instrumentation applicable to the oil industry would likely be my choice today. Really know one knows the future but hopefully you'll get a good job so that gas at $55 an hour for flying wouldn't be as painful. We will be needing individuals in those industries, who in the future, will be wanting to shell out that type of cash to prevent near extinction of small aviation and sustain a likely smaller commercial sector.
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billy ray valintine
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Re: Which AME course to do
well said ,c170b53!c170b53 wrote:Well apparently I'm a troll but hear me out as I think I've got time in doing stuff. If you're thinking about it, think about this; go to any airport in Canada and look at the maintenance facilities. Realize that the big buildings are not full and maybe empty, the small operators are downsizing and overall the industry worldwide has been in a consolidation mode for the past 20 years. (Want a real shock; go to LaGuardia and look at how many hangar complexes are empty, thousands upon thousands used to work in those buildings). As for Avionics, the trend towards digital systems means sophisticated test equipment required to repair and certify. That means send it back to the manufacturer as not only is the equipment required expensive but proprietary rights allows them to limit diagnostic and repair information. Most of the equipment comes from the states so unless you have a green card, count that avenue out. The cheap stuff is just thrown out.
Have a hard look at small aviation facilities. Most operations had a fingertip hold when Avgas was around $1.45, now its $ 1.75 plus meaning that fuel costs alone for a one hour flight for pie costs 55 and only the hardy are keeping up with that. Anyone that owns an airplane will tell you how hard it is to sell it in the present market. The largest fleet (US) was sustained by cheap fuel prices until last year. Now their fuel prices are similar to ours and combined that with the ailing economy, small aircraft prices have plummeted in the states. This should have boosted small aviation in Canada but parts required to maintain have not come down in price. Part suppliers have simply gone out of business. Maintenance costs have not decreased as they were fairly low to begin with and now with aircraft activity decreasing, the economy of scale is working against those in that segment of the industry, such that many have gotten out. Go to any small airport and see how many hangars have had planes replaced by cars and junk. In other words not a pretty picture if you like planes.
Many qualified individuals now find themselves laid-off and those with low time in are looking to other industries. Meanwhile the schools keep pumping out students because that's their business. Associations affiliated with training organizations are trying to expand trades and sub-trade certification requirements whilst in the industry just the opposite is happening. In the near future, system integration will likely mean a merger of the M and E trade groups, that's likely to mean even more competition for available jobs.
Want worse news? Governments are allowing work to be sent abroad. Bad enough there's no oversight here, there's absolutely no control over there. Now go to a big airport and get close to some of those big planes. Not too close you might get scared next time you're up there. Every operator is being squeezed and pencil whipping is the norm. Government knows that TC knows it, their answer to absolve themselves of wrong doing; SMS. Some may say that big companies would never expose themselves to the risk of financial failure due to an accident but realize that many are just on the verge of a financial abyss in just trying to maintain their market share. Governments have removed all safety nets.
Some may think I'm negative and some may think that my 30 plus years in big tin maintenance means little, well that's their right. I'm thinking if they are have been in maintenance for awhile deep down inside they might be admitting to something they don't want acknowledge in their day-to day lives. Luckily for me I've also enjoyed being a small airplane player but sadly I wish the demise of small aviation wasn't so but it is what it is.
So I'll ask you to not only think long and hard about this one, but suggest you go have a good look around on the real ground, stay away from the schools until you absolutely know what you're getting into. If I were looking to get into a trade, I think industrial instrumentation applicable to the oil industry would likely be my choice today. Really know one knows the future but hopefully you'll get a good job so that gas at $55 an hour for flying wouldn't be as painful. We will be needing individuals in those industries, who in the future, will be wanting to shell out that type of cash to prevent near extinction of small aviation and sustain a likely smaller commercial sector.
could'nt have said it better.
brv
Re: Which AME course to do
A maintenance engineer occupation can be greatly rewarding. To excel takes a lot of hard work and dedication.
If you are looking at a Monday to Friday 9 to 5 lifestyle then I would look at another career choice. You really need to review the trade and in the end decide what you want as a career.
There are some good schools out there. I would be looking at the established ones.
Good luck
If you are looking at a Monday to Friday 9 to 5 lifestyle then I would look at another career choice. You really need to review the trade and in the end decide what you want as a career.
There are some good schools out there. I would be looking at the established ones.
Good luck
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I was in you're shoe's about a year and a half ago. I came on here asked the same question and this website made me skeptical at first. It was good because you have people from both end's of the spectrum to show you the good and the bad to the industry and a lot of it seem's negative but there are a lot of positives it seems like as well. You can't quote me on this as I haven't completed my schooling yet. But despite what everyone said on here I decided to go for it and see what happens. I went to a new school that opened up which if you decide to go to fanshaw keep in mind new programs are bumpy at the beginning due to the crazy cost's of running the program's and other factors but I still wouldn't have chosen a different school. with that being said, I feel you get a real one on one being the first class with the first intake usually so small. Also keep in mind that if you're not going to an accredited school you do not get exempted from the TC exams which for some people is a pretty big deal.
But anyways back on topic, I got a job over the summer as an apprentice and I loved it. A lot of what guy's said on here is true but I have never felt so much accomplishment than changing an engine on an aircraft. Some may laugh at me for that but personally for me it was an amazing sense of accomplishment and was very rewarding.
I absolutely do NOT regret taking this program. I know of the lay offs and shitty life styles but life is what you make of it. If you think already this is a shitty job then you should probably just turn around and close the door on this career. But don't let anyone get into you're head. Listen to other's opinions on here because a lot of it is very true but also think that you can make what you want for yourself in life.
But anyways back on topic, I got a job over the summer as an apprentice and I loved it. A lot of what guy's said on here is true but I have never felt so much accomplishment than changing an engine on an aircraft. Some may laugh at me for that but personally for me it was an amazing sense of accomplishment and was very rewarding.
I absolutely do NOT regret taking this program. I know of the lay offs and shitty life styles but life is what you make of it. If you think already this is a shitty job then you should probably just turn around and close the door on this career. But don't let anyone get into you're head. Listen to other's opinions on here because a lot of it is very true but also think that you can make what you want for yourself in life.
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Pat Richard
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Re: Which AME course to do
some research material
http://mindflipbooks.ca/
Oh yeah, Im writing this from beautiful 04:52 am grave yard shift.
Greatly rewarding, yeah, thats it..
I guess I need to set my expectations lower.
http://mindflipbooks.ca/
Oh yeah, Im writing this from beautiful 04:52 am grave yard shift.
Greatly rewarding, yeah, thats it..
I guess I need to set my expectations lower.
http://mindflipbooks.ca/
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The Weasel
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Re: Which AME course to do
Long story short...get M training, and go Helicopters. There's both field work and heavy repair/overhaul work available to you. Overall, better pay than fixed-wing.
Beyond that, go where your desire takes you. If your heart is in avionics, go that route, and you can make a great life of it if you have the desire/right attitude.
Beyond that, go where your desire takes you. If your heart is in avionics, go that route, and you can make a great life of it if you have the desire/right attitude.
Re: Which AME course to do
Here's a new "book" same as the old play book http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-ed-show/45485569#null . As the W mentioned helicopter work maybe more lucrative but may burn you out faster if the lifestyle isn't to your liking.
Realize that aviation often like the market, sees and feels the economic slow downs first. Unlike the market, aviation is often the last segment of economy to recover.
Realize that aviation often like the market, sees and feels the economic slow downs first. Unlike the market, aviation is often the last segment of economy to recover.
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AME E 20 years and counting...graduated from Canadore and have had a job ever since. Never been laid off...EVER!
Making a good living now($100,000) and my experience and reputation precede me where ever I go.
Have worked all around North America and love it.
I believe BCIT graduates the best apprentices. Their facilities and equipment are second to none in North America( I've seen them all but Fanshawe's)...
SAIT's hands on training is lacking but improving...
Fanshawe spent millions on their E program and I hear their Labs and equipment are amazing.
Stay away from schools that do both at the same time...this is not a good model (E's should be concentrating on stuff like Databus interfacing and not Piston engine theory)
P.S. I hear Fanshawe E programis accredited and they are also starting an M program as well.
Making a good living now($100,000) and my experience and reputation precede me where ever I go.
Have worked all around North America and love it.
I believe BCIT graduates the best apprentices. Their facilities and equipment are second to none in North America( I've seen them all but Fanshawe's)...
SAIT's hands on training is lacking but improving...
Fanshawe spent millions on their E program and I hear their Labs and equipment are amazing.
Stay away from schools that do both at the same time...this is not a good model (E's should be concentrating on stuff like Databus interfacing and not Piston engine theory)
P.S. I hear Fanshawe E programis accredited and they are also starting an M program as well.
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jsmetalbashers
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Re: Which AME course to do
I believe BCIT graduates the best apprentices. Their facilities and equipment are second to none in North America( I've seen them all but Fanshawe's)...
Ok, i know its your opinion but i have never heard someone say that BCIT produces the best apprentices...ever. I went to BCIT and it is all smoke and mirrors and pumping out students to pay for facilities that are beautiful but totally overboard. Anyways i do enjoy being an AME, but dont enjoy the politics that go along with it. Doing the E program is a good plan, just be prepared to move and work nights and get treated like poop.
Oh yeah, Im writing this from beautiful 04:52 am grave yard shift.
Greatly rewarding, yeah, thats it..
Good to see you're sticking it out Pat
Graveyards at Cascade?
Ok, i know its your opinion but i have never heard someone say that BCIT produces the best apprentices...ever. I went to BCIT and it is all smoke and mirrors and pumping out students to pay for facilities that are beautiful but totally overboard. Anyways i do enjoy being an AME, but dont enjoy the politics that go along with it. Doing the E program is a good plan, just be prepared to move and work nights and get treated like poop.
Oh yeah, Im writing this from beautiful 04:52 am grave yard shift.
Greatly rewarding, yeah, thats it..
Good to see you're sticking it out Pat
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....it's a well known fact that in order to have a course you need students to pay tuition. Otherwise there would be no courses with any equipment or facilities... Duh.
I've never heard anyone say that a school has too much good equipment...gone overboard...WTF!!
...I guess you chose the wrong job to be working a shift you don't like jsmetalbashers...you should make a change.
I would like to know who, then, produces the best apprentices if not BCIT with too much good equipment.
Has anyone ever taken a poll across all of Canada?...I have and have the data to back it up.
I have done the E program...never worked nights...never been treated like poop and never been laid off in 20 years.
Maybe it's because I've always enjoyed what I do and that must show in my work ethic and attitude. Employers tend to like that...
I do know however (and it's not my opinion), that an employer wouldn't appreciate me writing in this forum during my shift when I getting paid by them to work.
Sounds like you might be one of the ones that has a poor attitude and work ethic.
Hmmmm.....
I've never heard anyone say that a school has too much good equipment...gone overboard...WTF!!
...I guess you chose the wrong job to be working a shift you don't like jsmetalbashers...you should make a change.
I would like to know who, then, produces the best apprentices if not BCIT with too much good equipment.
Has anyone ever taken a poll across all of Canada?...I have and have the data to back it up.
I have done the E program...never worked nights...never been treated like poop and never been laid off in 20 years.
Maybe it's because I've always enjoyed what I do and that must show in my work ethic and attitude. Employers tend to like that...
I do know however (and it's not my opinion), that an employer wouldn't appreciate me writing in this forum during my shift when I getting paid by them to work.
Sounds like you might be one of the ones that has a poor attitude and work ethic.
Hmmmm.....
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I see you didn't put Centennial down...Good Choice. I went there and although the instructors were good and knew their stuff, the equipment was very old and mostly U/S.
I have met many great graduates from Cannadore, SAIT, NAIT and BCIT and would recommend any of those schools. I have also been through Fanshawe and was very impressed (for good reason). It does have its ATO cert by the way. No Grads yet though to evaluate the training.
Now for the good stuff. I have absolutely loved my career as an "E" Licensed AME. I have never worked for the airlines which is probably why I have loved it so much. (My Dad has 27yrs at AC and has the common union attitude.) I have never been scheduled past 2am and never started before 7am. I can count the weekends I was "scheduled" on one hand. I have never been without a job and I have been working in avionics 10 years this May. I was layed off once and had work the next day. Just make sure you network and have a good reputation and you will always have a job in Avionics. I have been involved in manufacturing, Line Maintenance, R&O, Design and Modifications. All are great areas and I wish you all the best in your decisions.
Cheers,
P.S. I'm involved with the Avionics Advisory commitee at Fanshawe so if you're in the area I can give you a look around. PM me if you're interested.
I have met many great graduates from Cannadore, SAIT, NAIT and BCIT and would recommend any of those schools. I have also been through Fanshawe and was very impressed (for good reason). It does have its ATO cert by the way. No Grads yet though to evaluate the training.
Now for the good stuff. I have absolutely loved my career as an "E" Licensed AME. I have never worked for the airlines which is probably why I have loved it so much. (My Dad has 27yrs at AC and has the common union attitude.) I have never been scheduled past 2am and never started before 7am. I can count the weekends I was "scheduled" on one hand. I have never been without a job and I have been working in avionics 10 years this May. I was layed off once and had work the next day. Just make sure you network and have a good reputation and you will always have a job in Avionics. I have been involved in manufacturing, Line Maintenance, R&O, Design and Modifications. All are great areas and I wish you all the best in your decisions.
Cheers,
P.S. I'm involved with the Avionics Advisory commitee at Fanshawe so if you're in the area I can give you a look around. PM me if you're interested.
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Well said avyonx...well said indeed.
Finally someone with a good attitude...You can bet he/she is going to get somewhere in this industry. I'm sure they have their sights set on something much bigger then where they are now. Keep it up and you'll succeed.
An AME doesn't have to spend their whole career twisting wrenches, pulling wire or bashing metal. I've moved on from there and I bet avyonx will as well.
This industry needs good young, enthusiastic, passionate people...not wankers like Pat Richard who obviously hates everybody and doesn't care what he does as long as it pays the bills...that sounds like an old school English attitude if you ask me.
...why don't you go back to teaching young Arabs Pat, they have lots of money...or didn't they like your attitude either??
I will try to get to Fanshawe this year and will PM you if I can avyonx. I hear they have a great set-up. Any airplanes though?
NB
Finally someone with a good attitude...You can bet he/she is going to get somewhere in this industry. I'm sure they have their sights set on something much bigger then where they are now. Keep it up and you'll succeed.
An AME doesn't have to spend their whole career twisting wrenches, pulling wire or bashing metal. I've moved on from there and I bet avyonx will as well.
This industry needs good young, enthusiastic, passionate people...not wankers like Pat Richard who obviously hates everybody and doesn't care what he does as long as it pays the bills...that sounds like an old school English attitude if you ask me.
...why don't you go back to teaching young Arabs Pat, they have lots of money...or didn't they like your attitude either??
I will try to get to Fanshawe this year and will PM you if I can avyonx. I hear they have a great set-up. Any airplanes though?
NB
Re: Which AME course to do
I graduated from the M course at Canadore in 2009, great school, great instructors, nothing bad to say about the school. Would highly recommend it, though as I said I took the M program so can't really advise about the E program.
Don't know where you live, but I enjoyed living in North Bay, not too big, not too small of a town, lots of students so lots of businesses cater towards students (ie: good deals at bars). I spent a year living in London after College and it's a nice town too, and there are definitely good things to say about it, again, lots of students, between Fanshawe and UWO. Personally though I'd suggest North Bay if it's farther away from you... you'll meet and bond with a lot more people since many share at least one thing in common (not being from North Bay!)
Don't know where you live, but I enjoyed living in North Bay, not too big, not too small of a town, lots of students so lots of businesses cater towards students (ie: good deals at bars). I spent a year living in London after College and it's a nice town too, and there are definitely good things to say about it, again, lots of students, between Fanshawe and UWO. Personally though I'd suggest North Bay if it's farther away from you... you'll meet and bond with a lot more people since many share at least one thing in common (not being from North Bay!)
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NB,
They have quite a few planes and heli's. I am also designing them a Glass simulator for chasing next gen snags (data lines and discretes...etc.) That should be up and running for the next school year. All the Aircraft they have flew to London then were tranported to the school. I look forward to meeting you when you come into town.
Cheers,
They have quite a few planes and heli's. I am also designing them a Glass simulator for chasing next gen snags (data lines and discretes...etc.) That should be up and running for the next school year. All the Aircraft they have flew to London then were tranported to the school. I look forward to meeting you when you come into town.
Cheers,
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jsmetalbashers
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Re: Which AME course to do
Haha! Wow, you really got pissed there. Calm down sir, i never said i was working night shifts, i was picking on Pat. Anyways i do believe BCIT has lots of equipment in there glass palace, its the palace that is over the top. I agree its the person and there attitude that make the technician, i know very good engineers that never went to any tech school. All i'm saying is from my experience and the that of many DOM's that i know personally, BCIT is all business. My experience is with M and S and i can tell you BCIT is not at the top of the heap for either. My personal recommendation and the place that i've heard recommended by more than a couple DOM's for the M program is Northern Lights.NeverBlue wrote:....it's a well known fact that in order to have a course you need students to pay tuition. Otherwise there would be no courses with any equipment or facilities... Duh.
I've never heard anyone say that a school has too much good equipment...gone overboard...WTF!!
...I guess you chose the wrong job to be working a shift you don't like jsmetalbashers...you should make a change.
I would like to know who, then, produces the best apprentices if not BCIT with too much good equipment.
Has anyone ever taken a poll across all of Canada?...I have and have the data to back it up.
I have done the E program...never worked nights...never been treated like poop and never been laid off in 20 years.
Maybe it's because I've always enjoyed what I do and that must show in my work ethic and attitude. Employers tend to like that...
I do know however (and it's not my opinion), that an employer wouldn't appreciate me writing in this forum during my shift when I getting paid by them to work.
Sounds like you might be one of the ones that has a poor attitude and work ethic.
Hmmmm.....
Anyways, you may not want to hear this NeverBlue but i have made a good living at this, i work a week on week off schedule and i get wicked benefits and ok pay, and i'm good. So bite me.
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"Bite me"...how mature. What are you, 12?
I think I'm confused by this thread. Not sure what you meant when you wrote "writing this from my 4:52 am graveyard shift" I guess I understand now that you were quoting someone else...sorry to insult you.
However, I am pissed off at the fact that the school that provided you with your required and necessary basic training in the industry that is putting food on your table is in your opinion incompetent. What does that make you?
Fact: BCIT has more graduates in the Aviation Industry across Canada then any other school...
Are they all incompetent??
You obviously don't have a clue as to how College funding works. Do you think your entire tuition paid for anything more than the paper you used and the lights to see it with? Do the math...your whole class didn't even cover the salary of the Instructors you had
...never mind the water bill for flushing your crap down the toilet.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...
As I understand it BCIT had to create an atmosphere that would attract Industry. I believe they have succeeded. They also built that magnificent campus (Half being rental space) with revenue earning potential in mind (someone has to pay for the equipment and we all know how much aviation equipment costs as compared to comercial equipment). Again, a good model and one that is trying to be copied by other schools across the nation as we speak.
They have since attracted industry partners in training like WestJet, Lufthansa, Eurocopter, Honeywell Aerospace, etc.
Hmmmm what a waste..
I think I've also got Pat Richard confused with that Mc#@$%&*X character who authored that book telling people to stay away from aviation. I have a real problem with anyone who has made a living in aviation and still does today bashing it like he does in his book (which he sells for a profit).
Greg87, nice comments. North Bay was a great little town with very nice people. I still have great friends there.
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I think I'm confused by this thread. Not sure what you meant when you wrote "writing this from my 4:52 am graveyard shift" I guess I understand now that you were quoting someone else...sorry to insult you.
However, I am pissed off at the fact that the school that provided you with your required and necessary basic training in the industry that is putting food on your table is in your opinion incompetent. What does that make you?
Fact: BCIT has more graduates in the Aviation Industry across Canada then any other school...
Are they all incompetent??
You obviously don't have a clue as to how College funding works. Do you think your entire tuition paid for anything more than the paper you used and the lights to see it with? Do the math...your whole class didn't even cover the salary of the Instructors you had
...never mind the water bill for flushing your crap down the toilet.Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...
As I understand it BCIT had to create an atmosphere that would attract Industry. I believe they have succeeded. They also built that magnificent campus (Half being rental space) with revenue earning potential in mind (someone has to pay for the equipment and we all know how much aviation equipment costs as compared to comercial equipment). Again, a good model and one that is trying to be copied by other schools across the nation as we speak.
They have since attracted industry partners in training like WestJet, Lufthansa, Eurocopter, Honeywell Aerospace, etc.
Hmmmm what a waste..
I think I've also got Pat Richard confused with that Mc#@$%&*X character who authored that book telling people to stay away from aviation. I have a real problem with anyone who has made a living in aviation and still does today bashing it like he does in his book (which he sells for a profit).
Greg87, nice comments. North Bay was a great little town with very nice people. I still have great friends there.
NB
Re: Which AME course to do
I think that there are many good schools. I went to Canadore and enjoyed it very much and felt well prepared. Problem was there were no jobs when we got out despite assurances to the contrary before and during enrollment. I was one of the very few in my class who got a job in the industry and like many others after many years and experiences in different corners of the industy have found it to be disappointing in terms of safety, pay, respect and working conditions compared to what was described and promoted at school. I feel that many of the previous posts are in reference to that phenomena, and are meant as a warning that things (safety, pay, respect, benifits, job opportunity for grads) are worse right now then ever before, more then an attack at the effectiveness of the college's preparation of gradsNeverBlue wrote:"Bite me"...how mature. What are you, 12?
I think I'm confused by this thread. Not sure what you meant when you wrote "writing this from my 4:52 am graveyard shift" I guess I understand now that you were quoting someone else...sorry to insult you.
However, I am pissed off at the fact that the school that provided you with your required and necessary basic training in the industry that is putting food on your table is in your opinion incompetent. What does that make you?
Fact: BCIT has more graduates in the Aviation Industry across Canada then any other school...
Are they all incompetent??
You obviously don't have a clue as to how College funding works. Do you think your entire tuition paid for anything more than the paper you used and the lights to see it with? Do the math...your whole class didn't even cover the salary of the Instructors you had
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...
As I understand it BCIT had to create an atmosphere that would attract Industry. I believe they have succeeded. They also built that magnificent campus (Half being rental space) with revenue earning potential in mind (someone has to pay for the equipment and we all know how much aviation equipment costs as compared to comercial equipment). Again, a good model and one that is trying to be copied by other schools across the nation as we speak.
They have since attracted industry partners in training like WestJet, Lufthansa, Eurocopter, Honeywell Aerospace, etc.
Hmmmm what a waste..
I think I've also got Pat Richard confused with that Mc#@$%&*X character who authored that book telling people to stay away from aviation. I have a real problem with anyone who has made a living in aviation and still does today bashing it like he does in his book (which he sells for a profit).
Greg87, nice comments. North Bay was a great little town with very nice people. I still have great friends there.
NB
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Re: Which AME course to do
You wrote it Richard. You should be firedsome research material
http://mindflipbooks.ca/
Oh yeah, Im writing this from beautiful 04:52 am grave yard shift.
Greatly rewarding, yeah, thats it..
I guess I need to set my expectations lower.
...my sister and cousin are both mentally handicapped Jerkoff!
Re: Which AME course to do
...this was you again Richard...again... you wrote itMy true identity finally revealed..... He should approach Aviation World for distributorship.
Anyone know if any other similar industry has ever driven somebody to put something like this together, or is aviation unique in that matter?
Too funny...
BCIT Instructor?? not meYou're obviously at the intelligence level expected of a bcit instructor you fucking retard.
oh well...at least they (BCIT Instructors) don't have to pick up extra work to pay the bills at Christmas doin something they hate...you should buy lottery tickets Richard...you might have a better chance at being satisfied with your life choices.
Stumper: you have to go out and get a job. One won't come looking for you. When I graduated I had to drive 2000 miles to get my first one. You have a typical attitude of most young graduates today. " I've gone to school but I can't get a job
no one will hire me boo hoo... I've been waiting by the phone but it won't ring.. Boo Hoo Hoo..welcome to the real world
Re: Which AME course to do
Right from the instructors mouth... At least you are willing to admit publicly that you don't give a rats ass about the 95% of your students who have invested thousands of dollars and years of their life only to find out there are almost zero prospects of finding a entry level job in this industry right now.NeverBlue wrote:" I've gone to school but I can't get a job
..welcome to the real world
As long as the body's and cash keep rolling in for you eh?
The real world indeed... That's what some of us who have been around are trying to warn about..
