X/Wind corrections.

[Colonel Sanders]

In my world, if you don't fix 'em, you don't fly 'em. You
come to my airport, you will find me rolling around on the
hangar floor underneath a radial or turbine, or maybe soldering
an inverter, or re-installing an auto-pilot. No prima donnas here.

Hey Meat Servo, you're the hot stick here. A guy just bought
a Pitts, and wants me to teach him how to fly it. Instead, would
you teach him to fly it? Save me the wear and tear on my nerves,
and I'm sure you can do a better job at it than I can. Be sure and
show up with the white shirt and four bars - first impression counts.

[Shiny Side Up]

To once again clarify my position.......please read the red highlighted part from my first post here.

I see there is an ongoing discussion on how to use the flight controls to correct for X/Winds in the flight training forum and some pilots use the crossed control side slipping method all the way in on the final approach.

When something as basic as X/wind approaches generates so much emotion

In all honesty Cat, I've had trouble understanding the point of both of the threads on the subject. If one reads the posts, it really sounds like you're comming out to make a stand against slipping airplanes period, which really seems to go against what I thought your previous stance towards flying was. It really does come off in some ways as "you guys are all doing it wrong!" type of post. Like a three's company episode, it seems like a lot of drama stirred up over what really is a minor misunderstanding.

[Big Pistons Forever]

To once again clarify my position.......please read the red highlighted part from my first post here.

I see there is an ongoing discussion on how to use the flight controls to correct for X/Winds in the flight training forum and some pilots use the crossed control side slipping method all the way in on the final approach.

When something as basic as X/wind approaches generates so much emotion

In all honesty Cat, I've had trouble understanding the point of both of the threads on the subject. If one reads the posts, it really sounds like you're comming out to make a stand against slipping airplanes period, which really seems to go against what I thought your previous stance towards flying was. It really does come off in some ways as "you guys are all doing it wrong!" type of post. Like a three's company episode, it seems like a lot of drama stirred up over what really is a minor misunderstanding.

Well Duh...the point is to get in another shot at flight instructors

[Cat Driver]

Well Duh...the point is to get in another shot at flight instructors

Only some of them.

[Doc]

The approach should be flown by useing whatever amount of crab into wind is required to track a straight line on final approach.

Depending on the airplane being flown the change from crab correction to side slip method is performed at or after the flare.

This is SO bloody obviously CORRECT that I just can't even see why we're discussing it?????

[Doc]

It might be the less favored method but so what?
If someone wants to fly an approach cross controlled that's fine.

I'm not going to get in an argument about it. I have an opinion and it's obviously different to yours.

And you opinion is not only wrong, it's also uncomfortable!

[Cat Driver]

I spent a bit of time typing a post for the colonel and I have no idea where it went because it just disappeared when I submitted it ....

.....so lets try again...

Hey Colonel for sure the Pitts requires attention to what it is doing and about to do on the runway, especially during the landing.........

......but you haven't lived until you experience the ride I got one day when I was checking out a Twin Otter driver on the Turbo Goose.

In over thirty thousand hours of driving airplanes I never experienced the ride he gave me, on his first landing, he went through bata into reverse so fast I never had a chance when one engine led the other into reverse....we careened off the left side of the runway and back across the runway and off the right side before I even came close to taming the beast.

We were just plain lucky we did not wreck the thing...

[Meatservo]

Hey Meat Servo, you're the hot stick here. A guy just bought
a Pitts, and wants me to teach him how to fly it. Instead, would
you teach him to fly it? Save me the wear and tear on my nerves,
and I'm sure you can do a better job at it than I can. Be sure and
show up with the white shirt and four bars - first impression counts.

Well, Colonel Sanders, the only thing you ever do here is boast about yourself and insult people with passive-agressive bullshit. Being able to repair aircraft is a worthy discipline, so why not go to the "maintenance" forum where you might earn some respect if you're any good at it. I don't see why I should have even the tiniest shred of ego invested in what you think of me, or what you think I've been doing for a living. Since there is no possible way you could figure out what kind of a "stick" I am, I will leave you to speculate. I've also never flown a Pitts and am unlikely to ever try because I'm 6'5. The same reason I really didn't enjoy the beech 18. I'm quite sure you can fly a Pitts better than I can, but then again you can probably drink cheap beer and bellow at the television while you're watching wrestling better than I can too. Why don't you come up with something more constructive than hanging around here? I haven't seen one post of yours so far that has given anyone any reason to like or respect you or your opinion, and you sound to me like a blowhard who doesn't get enough attention in real life, and figures if he boasts about little light taildraggers here for long enough someone will someday tell him how awesome he is and how he's just like "Cat Driver". Well, you aren't. You're probably too old to grow a personality, but if you like you can PM me so we can carry on trading insults, and maybe we can set something up if you don't live too far away. I'd be perfectly willing to teach your grandmother to suck eggs on any aeroplane you choose, as long as it's one I fit in.

[Colonel Sanders]

any reason to like or respect you

Why would you think that I would care?

Aviation to me is not an experience in psychology and
group dynamics and "feelings". It is applied physics.

All else is rubbish, and I could not care less if people
liked or respected applied physics. Physics merely is.

[Big Pistons Forever]

Thanks for the entertainment guys

I am sitting on a hard plastic bench in an empty airport waiting area at Podunk International waiting for my (blonde) pax. If only I had a bag of popcorn to go with my warm can of Diet Root Beer and computer.......

[Meatservo]

any reason to like or respect you

Why would you think that I would care?

Aviation to me is not an experience in psychology and
group dynamics and "feelings". It is applied physics.

All else is rubbish, and I could not care less if people
liked or respected applied physics. Physics merely is.

Well, because I guess if you didn't care then you'd be reading your physics book instead of this! Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with most of your opinions, and I have enjoyed your videos. I just don't like you.

Glad to be of service, BPF!

[Beefitarian]

Hey guys, I was just off watching Forest Gump. Did I miss anything?

[Doc]

Hey guys, I was just off watching Forest Gump. Did I miss anything?

Nope. Not a thing. They're still arguing over how to land in a cross wind. Run Forest, RUN!

[Beefitarian]

In the words of Rodney King, "Can we all just try and get along?"

[Plim Sole]

It might be the less favored method but so what?
If someone wants to fly an approach cross controlled that's fine.

I'm not going to get in an argument about it. I have an opinion and it's obviously different to yours.

And you opinion is not only wrong, it's also uncomfortable!

Oh Doc, I knew I could rely on you for an inflammatory reply.

When I need advice, lessons or someone to look up to, rest assured it won't be you!

[DanWEC]

In the words of Rodney King, "Can we all just try and get along?"

Rodney??

[cdnpilot77]

In the words of Rodney King, "Can we all just try and get along?"

Rodney??

Yeah you remember this guy don't you?

[DanWEC]

I decline comment as every joke I have for this could likely be construed as politically incorrect... Just like me.

But can't resist recalling we were orginally talking about kicking.... The rudder.

[YYZSaabGuy]

But can't resist recalling we were orginally talking about kicking.... The rudder.

We were......and somehow branched off into physics, Forest Gump, and Rodney King. Like others, I'm surprised the argument has gone on for 3 pages. Who said AvCanada can't be entertaining? But, after all the back and forth, here's what I'm taking away:
(i) Which method you use is contingent on conditions, the airplane, and your own level of proficiency;
(ii) PAX tend not to enjoy the sensations associated with a cross-controlled final; but
(iii) Ultimately, the method that gets you down most safely is the best.
As I usually fly solo or with a good buddy who is also an ATPL, I'll continue to crab on final and convert to a slip in the flare, while reserving the right to slip all the way down on final to maintain proficiency in an alternate technique. (And with a 50% or 22 KIAS buffer over Vso, I'll live with any resulting airspeed misreads).

[LousyFisherman]

Well, to get this thread back on topic:

I see there is an ongoing discussion on how to use the flight controls to correct for X/Winds in the flight training forum and some pilots use the crossed control side slipping method all the way in on the final approach.
If that is so efficient do they use the same method for a cross wind on cross country flights?

Thinking about it, when I am alone, I do. Something about exercises to improve my flying. Draw a box with the propeller, and roll from side to side while maintaining the direction of travel. I'm sure both of those involve slipping

Cat, I should not make commitments like this but give me 5 years. I have a year of hell left in the business, I need a year to get my float ticket, and then assuming life does not kick either of us in the balls, (again) I'll be there. Mind you IFP is only 90 minutes west of me and I have not made it to see him in the 3 years I have been flying.

Newfoundland, worst weather in Canada, best people. I'm surprised no-one has made a comment about me dropping the 3rd line, I wrote it down but considering my nick, I thought it inappropriate and removed it

Plimsole, in what way am I doing myself a disservice by being brutally honest with myself? I don't compare myself to others, and I really don't care about their opinions. Currently I look like a raccoon because I went skiing on Friday and exceeded my abilities, (and I am a good skier). However, skiing requires you to accept the fear and deliberately exceed your abilities, the same attitude will get you killed while flying.

Funniest of all is that on Saturday when I went to pick up my granddaughter, my daughter required me to show my knuckles to prove I hadn't been fighting

LF

[Brown Bear]

It might be the less favored method but so what?
If someone wants to fly an approach cross controlled that's fine.

I'm not going to get in an argument about it. I have an opinion and it's obviously different to yours.

And you opinion is not only wrong, it's also uncomfortable!

Oh Doc, I knew I could rely on you for an inflammatory reply.

When I need advice, lessons or someone to look up to, rest assured it won't be you!

Funny thing of it is, he's correct. You just are not big enough to admit it.

[medEvac]

cross controllig an aircraft is too lose altitude fast when one makes a mistake or requires it for gradiant requirements ONLY. i find it funny this has stemed from a post on the flight training section of avcanada.
i have flown with many instructors and i would never let any of my kids learn from 99% of these "instructors"

my first job comercially was flying a dc3 many years ago and ive flown navajos, caravans, kig airs, 1900s, dash 8s, dc4s and many other cessna, piper, dh and pilatus products and i have always taught, crab until the flair. the pitot static system is designed for straight airflow only, how fast are you really going in a cross cotrolled condition? what about the stall speed, show me a calculation for stall speed in a cross controlled condition. btw i dont think ive sidesliped in almost a decade, never had the need.

use your rudder and learn how to fly an airplane.

what do i know

[Doc]

Oh Doc, I knew I could rely on you for an inflammatory reply.

When I need advice, lessons or someone to look up to, rest assured it won't be you!

Really wish I gave a rat's ass about how you feel. I don't.

[Doc]

cross controllig an aircraft is too lose altitude fast when one makes a mistake or requires it for gradiant requirements ONLY. i find it funny this has stemed from a post on the flight training section of avcanada.
i have flown with many instructors and i would never let any of my kids learn from 99% of these "instructors"

use your rudder and learn how to fly an airplane.

what do i know

Totally agree.

[Cat Driver]

i have flown with many instructors and i would never let any of my kids learn from 99% of these "instructors"

To days instructors are a product of the system....the people in TCCA who are responsible for flight training standards are so out of touch with reality that it is astounding.

So we can not really blame the instructors because they are truly don't know any better than what TCCA dictates.

Even if I were to submit to a frontal lobotomy I don't think I could learn to regurgitate the crap a TC inspector would want to hear.